The Syndicate

There's just no world where Sloonei isn't with someone that doesn't have some sort of high presence or having accumulated a lot of town reads. I just can't think about that. It's because of his lists containing lurkers as scum which is always what he's done. There has to be someone active as a mafia and I think that's just juliets. I don't know, maybe I was right for the wrong reasons earlier, but there's just no world for me where juliets isn't mafia. I don't know why or how she is being town read, someone needs to engage me, because I just think you're wrong.

I heard Jay's thoughts on her, I'm moreso looking for thoughts from people like Tranq, TSP, Michelle. Why you scum read her / town read her?

I think juliets makes the most sense as a wolf with sloonei based on previous day play. I expect the last one to be someone in between TSP / Tranq. Michelle is probably almost never mafia here unless she's changed her game drastically. There's still this feeling of me being wrong on her that I can't shake, but it's probably caused more by other people's thoughts on her which I relate to, except that what they're scum reading her for is what I town read her for. The hiatus makes me paranoid about her competency as scum potentially rising, which is why I have this paranoia, but I don't think she'd evolve up to this level in a few months, plus, she like...always rands town. She doesn't have high presence as either alignment.

I've briefly skimmed Sloonei's tranq posts and I've concluded he actually has decent odds at a partner with him. Whenever I read a Sloonei post that has tranq in it, I just can't help but think that it's a wolf trying to get his lurker wolf into the game. At times, he has taken a stance on him (which was defending him against Nanook's accusation) and what I later found out to be spicy was that, even though Sloonei mentioned not having any game experience with Tranq, he still spent most of his time trying to get him to play the game as if he had experience with Tranq and wanted to sort him - he even took a further step of mentioning him and asking him to come play - and when you take that into account, the "this is a wolf helping a wolf post" is just so out there. What would be the motivation to get Tranq, a lurker, in a 26 player list or how many it was, to post in order to sort him - even though you have no past meta with him - instead of tailing down your own reads?

Just think about it, when has a town ever expressed interest in wanting to hear from a lurker if they had no past experience with them? You only do if there's an underlying reason. Sure, you may do this in later stages of the game, but so early? There's a lot more other things to focus on.

I kind of have nothing on TSP to be honest, I remember him being awkward early game, some mechanical reasoning here and there, but no real push. I think he actually fits the neutral description better than anyone else. I don't think sig places his AM on the same dream level as him, especially if it's Tony, a lurker slot that always can be considered as bait, all it took was someone like me to unravel the mechanics behind sig's power and then actually pulling through with the plan, making it a 50/50 chance to kill his AM. I think he'd be a lot more weary because mechanics have always been a point of interest and this one in particular is fairly easy to solve. I don't think he's AM. I'm not sure if he'd be on the master's team, but nothing about his play and interactions makes me think he is. I think he's the one civilian / neutral lean that I'd probably never lynch. If he is an indie then he probably has a wincondition of staying alive til endgame until the other factions win and he just wins with them anyway. There's 2 masters and 1 AM that we have to worry about, this seems like a worthless pursuit.

Impressive kill, whoever that was, I'mma get to my own interaction analysis in a bit. I'll do like 1 or 2 and come back at this some time later. Damn Sloonei was off my radar so hard.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay ] aubergine

Jack was right about this, Sloonei's gameplay yesterday was revolved around getting Jay out of a lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:15 pm Jay never ever ever survives the day without teammates. There’s no way that wasn’t super obvious.

Upon G-Man’s flip, this is highly probable, but does that mean he was bussed from the get-go???

That makes me want to think the initial votes on me were his scum buds

Was it Juliets and Sloonei?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:04 pm How many low hanging fruit lynches does Jay have to lead and how many wolves do I have to lynch before whoever among @Michelle @juliets @Sloonei @tedxtr is town starts listening to me?

I mean I was the one that lead it but you are being heard.

Honestly why the fuck are we even playing anymore?

The only role that can still hunt anti-monitor decides to fuck everything because he hasn’t played and is pissed because I give him crap for it.

And then he’s the one talking about egos, well thanks for teaching me “a lesson” I guess even if it’s at the expense of the entirety of the town, it’s not even just me.

I’m fuming.

And whatever energy he has seems faked for whenever he is pushing something but other than that you can tell his heart is not into it

Yeah he’s not anything strong it actually feels kind of filler that’s why I said 2/3

I just remember town him being a lot more energetic and having a lot more pull in thread, he’d come in guns blazing and shit

His nutella push was also kind of bad and then after she was taken out his drive to scum hunt kinda plummeted

Everyone may as well submit a list with who the master team is for the anti monitor and hope he fucking cleans this mess

G-Man
Speedchuck
Jack

In this exact order. I think I’m 2/3 in there.

Everyone should do this, it’s also good to keep track of reads.

yeah speedchuck and G-man are probably scum at this point tbh.

yeaaaaaah. so who's scum there?

otoh the g-man vote being set up instead of just self pres out of the blue is also giving me the heebie-jeebies

This jay lynch gives me the Heebie-jeebies

at this point he can be just anti-monitor or town

no way that's an all-town wagon

now

pagetop

I'm not switching unless I have verbal confirmation from everyone.

Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:06 pm G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

you snipped the part of the quote where i was actually giving you some reasoning that I find scum indicative

but scummers gotta keep scumming i guess

G-man's not an easy target because for 7 fucking phases people said they don't want to lynch him.

I have asked for what Jay has done and I asked who are his team mates and my questions still remain to be answered by someone.

I honestly don't know why I have to make a compelling scum case on G-Man because there is none. My point is he's done nothing. Nada. Zero.

There's barely anything for me to point out, the shtick with oompa loompa doompa dippity squeakitty ittsy bitsy thing was horrible as I saw it as his way of dealing with pressure, but my whole point is that there is nothing town about him, and there should be.

I don't know what this is called in psychology, but what you are doing is saying "There's no way JFK was assassinated by a nobody" because he was a nobody. "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum" is a bad argument to make in general on a slot that has 10 posts and 8 were hidden behind a shtick so I couldn't snipe his scum tone.

It's as simple as there's nothing that makes him town and that's all you're having. It doesn't always have to be "He's scum because...", sometimes the lack of a town agenda or anything that can be identified as town behaviour is enough.

Hiding behind a shtick and deliberately choosing to maintain the idea of him being cursed by not refuting it only when he was in danger of being lynched and he saw the shtick didn't work - is enough of a reason to place him at some sort of scum position.

It's anti-town to hide behind shticks. It's anti-town to not call out that you aren't cursed, just trolling. Him doing it only when he's in danger of being lynched is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. HE LET THE IDEA OF HIM BEING CURSED SKATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TOWN READING IT, and when people had enough of it, he dropped it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:01 pm Oompa Loompa Doobity Day,
We will only win if we try and lynch Jay

who's we?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:13 am How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

you have no idea how this small choice right here can win you the game, you won't be disappointed

Oh God

IS IT FINALLY HAPPENING????????????

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:01 pm
I also need Ted of that game... who was correct but no one believed him.

This is literally me right here, I'm correct and nobody believes me.

So far you've been avoiding locking me town when you know how easy it is, you've just vaguely went about describing my meta but not reaching any conclusion based on it.

linki : to michelle.

It's not really a case in one post it's like scattered suspicion.

And I'm not sure what the snark is about, given you were the one to say you were gonna check out my ISO like 7 times already. Why are you dragging it?

Moreover, if you have that meta knowledge of me, you know you can get a read on me from like the first page of my ISO or so.

G-man did do scummy things though

and saying just because the low posters were in a major proportion town doesn't clear the remaining ones in the slightest.

I don't even know what you're stringing jimmy for, I do remember his TH interaction being terribad but I wouldn't lynch just on that tbh.

He's just not doing anything man and as soon as we let the leash off him he's been way too comfortable, make a contrast between his early game where he had to make a whole shtick for a whole day phase in order to fend off suspicion and now when he's not even talked about.

I was talking about the first point mostly.

I mean it still goes on from D1 but there's really nobody else I scum read as hard as I do on him, but I guess the early engagement I had with him and the interest I had in lynching his slot kind of left a stain on my brain and I can't get rid of it until I'm proven wrong.

compromising with the majority would mean lynching the one dude who i have a town read on and I just can't vote him.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:06 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:01 am Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

he was helpful in the dream level by bringing itt the vote count I made in text form. Looked towny.
Why would scum do that? Maybe just if the VC of first 3 days is wifom-y?

give me your case on Gman scum pls

this can't be a serious post

so none of my reads are getting lynched today either?

oh yeah true

All my circuits and danganronpa

I told you I never town case myself

Like just give me one reason G-Man is town. Just one.

Juliets, I don’t like you holding me accountable for whatever you assume to be my meta when you yourself can’t find any reason for anyone being scum.

Everyone is sapped and confused, so am I, maybe that’s why, or maybe I’m just frustrated at G-Man still being alive when he’s most likely just scum and nobody is even keen to check him out and agree or disagree with me.

I’m at a stage where my most confident read is not regarded as even slight scum by anyone and how would you even react in this situation? I’m tired of having to constantly point out the obvious, of course I don’t have the drive.

I will discredit any and every meta read on me because last time me and michelle played with me scum was like one year ago

I’ve been on hiatus, then had numerous scum games on MS.

I’m not the Creature 2018 meta read anymore

Sig played like 2 games with me

Dizzy didn’t flip anything, for all we know he could’ve been the antimonitor tbh

Michelle, you’re forced to vote

Who do you vote for?

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

jay ain't it chief

Jack, vote G-man and if i'm wrong i'm giving you my face masks

Shit, Epi's a fucking hard read. Other than tone and his push on me, I don't really see anything to town read him for. I did like that he was constantly getting back at the slots that he was questioning, it maintains some level of genuine hunting that has proven consistent even up to this day phase, but I still feel like he lacks something that he didn't have from our other games...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:20 pm @tedxtr what's your read on Epignosis

Hmm we never really engaged, I had an early scum lean on him that faded eventually because we didn't interact anymore and other slots caught my attention. Gonna check his ISO right now, I frankly don't remember anything he's done this game which kind of concerns me.

My brain after 7 day phases of me trying to rally up people to lynch G-Man

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:10 pm ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.

juicy. why? solely because of him not matching with anyone or is there something else?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:42 pm to be frank, I think Michelle's the indie. i said it day 1, i'm saying it now.

What makes you think so

i can't coherently put into words and my explanation probably won't satisfy anyone, as it's also circumstantial. I feel it in my guts mostly. there's also a small sum of things that she's done that doesn't scream obvious town but not scum either.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:06 pm Jay voters: what team is he on?

Master

and his team mates being>?