The Syndicate

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

huh, weird, i totally thought you had some knowledge on my scum game.

to be frank, I think Michelle's the indie. i said it day 1, i'm saying it now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:33 pm @tedxtr which team is g-man on?

master team. i remember having a pet peeve read that people addressed g-man but never really pushed him, and the same thing happened to radishes until he was hard pushed.

if he's just mislynch bait how come people aren't biting the read, especially with Dom and SVS backing them up.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:04 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.

What's your INDIVIDUAL read of me?

Most of my reads right now are derived from interactive analysis. You are a player that Macdougall had almost nothing to say about, despite you having a lot of (favorable) things to say about him. That stands out to me.

Why is it impossible to believe that your hypothetical mafia team could have manipulated the thread/poll momentum yesterday?

Idgi. If mac had nothing to say to me but I was defending him, do you think that's how he treats a partner? Or someone that he wants to set up after his death? I'm obviously biased in this but I'm trying to understand why you're not reaching the same conclusion, did you make this analysis somewhere / is your explanation out there?

Mafia, in theory, anecdotally, have little to no power in shifting momentum from a player to another, it's ultimately the town's choice. and even if they pulled it off, it would out them in the process, which isn't worth it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:04 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.

What's your INDIVIDUAL read of me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:42 pm Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Click

Was talking about like who was scum other than flipped players.

shouldn't you be like growing weary of people wagonning you if you were town here? you suspect me, don't you think my team would be on you as of right now?

you're so...limp.

that's what I meant by you pinning me to other monitor team scums. the ones that are still alive.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

G-man still, speed still , maybe Jack

jack, did you ever play a scum game with me? pretty sure you did. i mean, a game where i was scum and you town.

p-edit : was talking about J^3

word salad is a thing and I've just invented it.

Although something bothers me which is the fact that he's pinning me for an anti-monitor witch hunt while saying I pay no attention to master team and no world building but he's never pinned me to any actual alleged team mates or anything of that sort.

Admittedly when I open up his ISO I wish imminent death upon myself but just based on him handling me and his cases makes me want to say he's not a wolf here.

the better it is for the scum i meant.

I actually don't think Jay's a baddie here and I'd much rather end up being stringed than him, I feel like I'm fucking lynch bait at this point and the longer I get to live, the better it is.

Not liking this Jay push in the slightest, I just want G-Man.

It's so painfully obvious to me how the scum are keeping me alive to seal my fate through day play that I kind of want this to end.

I'll probably give a full list of what my reads are, just follow me after I'm dead though. Just don't lynch Jay.

you know i never do that. if you think i'm scummier than g-man, then vote accordingly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 am [VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It’s not, I’m shifting the idea that you’re creating about me doing it to hunt the Anti Monitor to the actual idea of me trying to regain the energy and getting re-invested into the game by solving some “mathematical equation” or I guess, a puzzle. And I’ve already specified it, but you’re not even reading my posts because you just want my head on a pogo stick.

Which is also why I’m not answering any of your inquiries anymore. Sorry, date’s over.

Take me out to dinner first, let’s take it step by step. And while we’re at it, maybe explain how that’s the worst sentence?

I just said the mech thing was merely for me to uncover this mystery and helping people like Sloonei look into their theory and update it based on what I inferred. It’s a win win deal. You’re misconstruing it to be me hunting for the anti-monitor when I haven’t even accused anyone of being an anti-monitor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:52 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:48 pm They’re the least town.

I feel like I am talking to a mouse.

*meep*

I need good questions to work with. Bring the cheese to this damn mouse or I’m not buying.

This mouse shouldn’t waste his time negotiating with the human that wants him trapped up anyway.

If someone that doesn’t misconstrue my actions according to their bias wants to talk, then @ me.

I wasn’t even chasing an anti-monitor lead. I’ve talked about G-man being a suspect and was trying to convey that i’d want him lynched, even if I said I was drained because I wasn’t being backed up. That’s not hunting anti-monitor, that’s accusing scummy people.

Not like I pushed an anti-monitor lead on anyone, I just like discussing mechanics and unsolving mysteries. I’ve done next to nothing and I wanted something to get me back in this game, which was solving this mech thing sig PoV. I like doing it.

They’re the least town.

Because the others are pretty town. It’s a combo of that and them not doing anything that screams town to me.

They’re just PoE.

Speed, G-Man on masters team

Not to mention, I don't see a point for sig's role unless he had that choice. It's essentially a, what? Dice roll that escapes you one lynch? you have to dice roll for it? sounds unlikely.

By all means I'm not saying it to suggest Michelle is scum (I don't think she is) I just kind of want to clarify this, being useful, etc etc. 18% odds. Think mathematically.

If sig was the Architect and was going to die, he'd want to stall it as much as possible. 3 phases before he dies.

So, I believe he did have control over the threads, the actual important question here is : Did he know that this inception phase only lasts one phase?

In a world where sig is not told about whether this inception phase ends after one lynch, he has all the incentive to place himself in the 3rd realm.

Like, think about the actual odds of it. Let's say...Sig was not in full control of how the threads were designed. Okay, the odds of him being in the 3rd level are 3/17 which rounds up to 18% or so. (I could be wrong about the total number of players, I believe it was 17?)

Was he hit by pure luck here? :thonk:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:05 am Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:14 am ok i assume that's the list i wanted to look in cuz i remember that account telling us tsp and someone else was with sig

i think, ultimately, sig would've used the 3 man level for shading and bet on this very wifom. if we bit it, it takes a 50/50 to lynch his anti-monitor which would seem dumb from him.

I don't know if he'd risk it by putting him in main thread, so I think that he'd just place him in Michelle's hood thing.

I'll take a look at those peeps. But names that stick out upon PoE and shit are probably JJJ / Gman / Speed

[mention]Michelle[/mention]

I already theorised as to sig designing each level and the players that could've been found in them. I decided to drop it because, upon flips, he might've actually just placed him in the main thread, because the thread had a consensus among 3 players that we had just flipped town, so the AM must've really fucked up in order to become a target.

i don't think dom's scum here, i can read him like a book.

he's gonna get pissed at this.

i don't see any reason for why he'd be town but nobody wants to push him and i honestly can't be bothered to tunnel him for another day phase without any backup and me not being listened to.

i usually don't come back to lynches that haven't took off when they should've.

the overall theme to her posts was "why are you accusing me?" but for some reason i didn't read it as scum.

i guess she played in a deflective kind of way and her engagements seemed to be omgusy off the top of my head, but there's a very concrete way of me discerning her town as opposed to scum, and she didn't feel like scum although a lot of her engagements weren't indicative of her town play, i kind of connected the dots and said indie because she seemed to care more about how she appeared and directly confronting people made me conclude she was indie rather than a null, idk.

am really low on energy, string me up and find mafia. sad none of colin and th flipped bad and now i'm aware i'm next.

re juliets' question : her play style seemed weird, it was a thought like at the beginning of the game which was like 3 weeks ago or so, I honestly don't remember. she just *felt* off but now she seems to be back on normal levels.

i was saying she felt different from her town game.

I’m voting TH secretly and still reviewing Colin / speed / jay

I kind of not want to go over a 500 post ISO though, I think if I get to live til later I’ll just PoE jay out

I thought th’s list was a town list

ok i assume that's the list i wanted to look in cuz i remember that account telling us tsp and someone else was with sig

i think, ultimately, sig would've used the 3 man level for shading and bet on this very wifom. if we bit it, it takes a 50/50 to lynch his anti-monitor which would seem dumb from him.

I don't know if he'd risk it by putting him in main thread, so I think that he'd just place him in Michelle's hood thing.

I'll take a look at those peeps. But names that stick out upon PoE and shit are probably JJJ / Gman / Speed

I don't think AM was in the same thread as him, because I think he'd grow weary of this theory being paid attention to. So right now I kind of want to sort in the other level. Anyone got a list with who was there? i want to iso sumthin'

Don't know if this was addressed, but I was thinking...If sig potentially designed the levels, would he have risked sending the anti-monitor in the main thread , the only place where lynched people die?

you shading michelle

i don't like the first half of tsp's post.

hi michelle let's talk

yeah you're right juliets, my mental map misinterpreted stuff. you did say something that i twisted as saying that, which is this post.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:06 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:41 pm I don't see anyone pointing out a flaw in Dizzy's logic so I'm voting. Normally I would wait to hear from sig but this looks black and white to me. I can't think of an explanation that would make this go away.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Can't think of any explanation.......But doesn't bother to finish ISO.

Again mac teammates rushing onto another wagon.

Who said I didn't finish your ISO? I read the whole thing. The point Dizzy made that I say I can't think of an explanation for was the point that I quoted where you spoke about Mac being targeted for the kill as the only option for what happened and why he wouldn't have been protected or wasn't the civ. You acted as if you knew it was him that was targeted and not someone else who could have been protected or was the civ. You spoke from the POV that he was targeted. From Dizzy's analysis:

When SVS suggests that the no kill on N1 may have been for many reasons, Sig answers with the knowledge that Mac was the actual kill target.

Read it. Sig says he doubts the protective role would target Mac (so that couldn't be the reason why the kill failed.) And then Sig says that he considered that Mac could be the civ role, but that he thinks that Mac is just much more likely mafia (again revealing that Mac was targeted for a NK.)

And trying to intimidate me by calling me a Mac teammate when I vote for you looks desperate.

i took the rhetorical there as you claiming that, I kind of saw it and reacted to it and that's how it remained in my head. which is why I kept saying i'd keep coming back to you and cfd you and stuff.

Because juliets leashed out at sig for the case while selling a narrative of "I've been scum reading you up to this point as well, this was just the nail in the coffin" by claiming she also scum read her ISO even though she never commented on any posts. If sig was giving her scum vibes, how come she never pointed out any of his posts / asked him questions?

The 1st one is scattered throughout my ISO, bottom line being sig potentially being lassie. I can expound saying that him pushing the angle of "sprit / dom came into this day swinging at Mac without a reason" initially made me feel as though that's an obvious lassie angle, laying it out on the other people. There are more reasons, I can look at them maybe but I don't really see why that would be relevant.

My point was, if she was genuinely scum reading him from his earlier posts, why has she never confronted him and all of a sudden buries him with this case while also claiming there's additional reasoning for it to reinforce it, although that extra reasoning was never pointed out.

Ok, the juliets push is not what you're painting it to be. I've specifically said I scum read her for claiming she read his ISO but she didn't do the work to point out what about sig's posts have been fake. I said I saw the TMI case as opportunistic coming from her because, even though that was the crux of her case, she kept subtly sweeping under the rug the angle of "AND I also read your ISO and it's shitty, what makes you think I didn't?". Which I *believe* I asked her why she didn't say anything about sig's ISO until that moment, and that is why her vote stood out to me, not because 5 other people picked on it and I just chose Juliets' name out of a lottery, it's because of her burying sig with it while also claiming she had OTHER reasons to scum read him, which SHE NEVER EXPRESSED UPON ISOING HIM.

hi jay i'm here and willing to hear why you scum read me

I don’t need babysitters it’s fine

I have one more school busy day and then I’m free for 1 week cuz of corona.

Sorry for low activity peeps i’ll do better starting tonight