The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:37 pm Note to self: never trust Alison with good reads ever again

It’s an unfortunate side effect from playing so pro town. Well done!

I am more likely to have good reads as town than as mafia. A lot of the times as mafia I push a few townies and die with good spew. The cure for not letting me get away with bussing is to policy me in fx.

gg

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:54 pm Is it more +EV to yeet Camilla today on the off chance Roxy claims doc tomorrow?

I wanna win at F5 but I’m feeling like the info isn’t there.

if that happens and someone ccs the doc claim tomorrow its a shitshow

im gonna die of sleep deprivation if i dont sleep soon

Leaving vote on roxy if she doesnt claim before eod i blame her for inting

trust pyxxy in f3 if im killed either way. id lose to him

can we afford that possibility?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:43 pm and its fine if shes the doc because then we just get auto in cam/jack i think

.......you're saying.......that you're counting.......on roxy claiming before EOD?.......

oh shit

I did assume she would at least show up for eod

if she afks eod and is the doc then tomorrow will be a hellhole

and its fine if shes the doc because then we just get auto in cam/jack i think

if we ignore all the fluff and just look at who's been townie today then roxy is the loser by a lot

what made up my mind was when i realized the best reasons to clear roxy is that she has no gamestate reason to sus me as wolf

but she clearly isnt paying attention to gamestate at all so idk if thats right

eh no she also said she changes her meta every game

whatever

oh no wait roxy might be clear

did anyone verify that "never busses" claim

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine
pyxxy is my top townread

if roxy claims doc just exe in camilla/jack and go the other tomorrow if the first flips town

i trust pyxxy to make the right call if hes around for eod today/f3 if it comes to that

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

.......not to mention.......I also.......rejected scotty/me thunderdone.......when wilgy would have helped.......push scotty over me.......

.......which maybe makes sense.......if I'm the RB.......but also.......why would wilgy.......put me in a thunderdome then..............

.......this is me.......being a little annoyed.......that I haven't.......been lavished in praise.......for finding town scotty .......

yea, thats what i meant by you played d4 nonsensically if you are partners with wilgy

i think weirdly enough you are my strongest townread atp despite being poed all game

.......this is what happens.......when you don't vig me .......

tbh i didnt vig you, creature did. I lied about vigging you

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

.......not to mention.......I also.......rejected scotty/me thunderdone.......when wilgy would have helped.......push scotty over me.......

.......which maybe makes sense.......if I'm the RB.......but also.......why would wilgy.......put me in a thunderdome then..............

.......this is me.......being a little annoyed.......that I haven't.......been lavished in praise.......for finding town scotty .......

yea, thats what i meant by you played d4 nonsensically if you are partners with wilgy

i think weirdly enough you are my strongest townread atp despite being poed all game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:24 pm Is it bad that Roxy is my gth guess for the wolf and the doctor?

it is kinda shit because if she is doc and claims to avoid death then we just exposed the doc and are back to square 1

so what has wolf camilla been doing all game exactly? doming jack? sitting there jacking off while i kill her entire team?

maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

yall are gonna make me stay up huh

[unvote][/unvote]

mehhh this sucks because cam is actually townie in recennt posts too

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:21 pm if roxy is wolf then from her pov i am doc

pyxxy didnt claim doc when asked at eod1, cam and jack are obviously not doc (not gonna keep up the pretense that jack could be atp)

so i am the worst person to shade today for w roxy as she has to immediately kill me, make herself look dumb + cant exe the person shes been shading

i mean maybe roxy doesnt think like this though. but its worth considering

if roxy is wolf then from her pov i am doc

pyxxy didnt claim doc when asked at eod1, cam and jack are obviously not doc (not gonna keep up the pretense that jack could be atp)

so i am the worst person to shade today for w roxy as she has to immediately kill me, make herself look dumb + cant exe the person shes been shading

@Camilla hypothetical: we exe jack, he flips town

Your next move is?

Why does this game feel so shit to play the day after we exed wolf PR

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:28 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:27 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:23 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:22 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:19 am > What wolf Jack would actually do) Pretebd to be tunneled on you.

I agree with this. It is why I decided against voting Jack. I thought to myself what would wolf Jack never do and unvoting Camilla is one of them. He can never win with Camilla alive, never.

I just iso'd pyxxy and found him town. Roxy would have just taken the free Cam -> Jack misexes probably.

So for me it was just Camilla left. And the best defense she had is that she has no path to victory if mafia. That's something that could, I guess, happen if she really is mafia and got boxed in.

If I'm missing something... you have 30 minutes to convince me otherwise, and that's mostly because I'm having trouble sleeping lok

Jack can't afford to pull this tunnel shit because I'm a villager.

He needs at least one more player to ML to fulfill his wincon.

W!Jack is never making out of this thunderdome alive so he needs to ideally mislynch a third party before killing me, and that's Roxy.

But why BEFORE you?

Why not yeet you now and “reevaluate” in F3?

Because do you seriously believe that you can get away in an F3 after a flipped villager was screaming their head off to kill you?

Absolutely nonsense.

Can he get away in f3 after killing an innocent roxy with his bare hands in f5 and disrupting the tdome?

I mean, you/Pyxxy seem to be hellbent on voting me over him.

I would be a lot less hellbent if he forced the wagons onto roxy and she flipped town

Since duh

I guess the question is if we should ever be wagoning outside camilla and jack today

I think the answer is no

If pyxxy/roxy/myself are wagoned and claim doc then we're back to voting in camilla/jack except this time the doc is exposed

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:23 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:22 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:19 am > What wolf Jack would actually do) Pretebd to be tunneled on you.

I agree with this. It is why I decided against voting Jack. I thought to myself what would wolf Jack never do and unvoting Camilla is one of them. He can never win with Camilla alive, never.

I just iso'd pyxxy and found him town. Roxy would have just taken the free Cam -> Jack misexes probably.

So for me it was just Camilla left. And the best defense she had is that she has no path to victory if mafia. That's something that could, I guess, happen if she really is mafia and got boxed in.

If I'm missing something... you have 30 minutes to convince me otherwise, and that's mostly because I'm having trouble sleeping lok

Jack can't afford to pull this tunnel shit because I'm a villager.

He needs at least one more player to ML to fulfill his wincon.

W!Jack is never making out of this thunderdome alive so he needs to ideally mislynch a third party before killing me, and that's Roxy.

But why BEFORE you?

Why not yeet you now and “reevaluate” in F3?

Because do you seriously believe that you can get away in an F3 after a flipped villager was screaming their head off to kill you?

Absolutely nonsense.

Can he get away in f3 after killing an innocent roxy with his bare hands in f5 and disrupting the tdome?

I really do think Jack has been townie toDay. I have only seen him scum once I don't know how easily he can fake it. But it is townie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:21 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:19 am > What wolf Jack would actually do) Pretebd to be tunneled on you.

I agree with this. It is why I decided against voting Jack. I thought to myself what would wolf Jack never do and unvoting Camilla is one of them. He can never win with Camilla alive, never.

I just iso'd pyxxy and found him town. Roxy would have just taken the free Cam -> Jack misexes probably.

So for me it was just Camilla left. And the best defense she had is that she has no path to victory if mafia. That's something that could, I guess, happen if she really is mafia and got boxed in.

If I'm missing something... you have 30 minutes to convince me otherwise, and that's mostly because I'm having trouble sleeping lok

I assume if I go, Camilla goes tomorrow.

If Camilla goes and flips town, who is your gth wolf?

Roxy

But I'd do a bunch of rereading first since Cam can legally slit my throat in real life if I vote Roxy and you are wolf

@Camilla You said you think Roxy is the doctor? Doesn't wolf Jack prefer to elim you at F5 where Roxy will vote with him insteaf of F3 where he has to kill her because she's doc?

> What wolf Jack would actually do) Pretebd to be tunneled on you.

I agree with this. It is why I decided against voting Jack. I thought to myself what would wolf Jack never do and unvoting Camilla is one of them. He can never win with Camilla alive, never.

I just iso'd pyxxy and found him town. Roxy would have just taken the free Cam -> Jack misexes probably.

So for me it was just Camilla left. And the best defense she had is that she has no path to victory if mafia. That's something that could, I guess, happen if she really is mafia and got boxed in.

If I'm missing something... you have 30 minutes to convince me otherwise, and that's mostly because I'm having trouble sleeping lok

I have to sleep

[VOTE: Camilla] aubergine

Hope I wake up to the game having ended.

I'm not sure how hard wolf Roxy would have felt forced to vote there... would she really have gotten flak if she'd voted pyxxy and he flipped green? I reckon in that scenario Zenon and tutuu would have taken most of the blame

I wont be around for EOD due to sleep. Will have a think during supper and vote before I go to sleep.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:52 am Overall iso looks pretty clean. Doesn't have a perfect track record of pushing on wolves but nobody in this game has and I had similar reads D3 myself. Has been pushed by wolves and pushed them in ways that don't look like theater. Some micro interactions that I'm skeptical most wolves think to fake. Seems to be playing nonsensically D4 if he is partners with Wilgy.

Pretty confident Wilgy is town.

Uhh, pretty confident pyxxy* is town. :P

Overall iso looks pretty clean. Doesn't have a perfect track record of pushing on wolves but nobody in this game has and I had similar reads D3 myself. Has been pushed by wolves and pushed them in ways that don't look like theater. Some micro interactions that I'm skeptical most wolves think to fake. Seems to be playing nonsensically D4 if he is partners with Wilgy.

Pretty confident Wilgy is town.

SoD4, Scotty tries to thunderdome him. He votes Scotty, talks to him for a while, and basically says "yeah i found you as town scotty, thank you for this" and unvotes Scotty.

Very unlikely to do that if his teammate Wilgy is planning on trying to get the dome going, IMO.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:55 am .......wilgy.......been.......town.......to.......me.......for.....................a.......while.......now.......

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:24 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:38 am .......if not.......falcon..............would vote..............scotty/wilgy?.......unsure.......sorry tutuu.......I'll.......vote.......after.......some more.......sleep..............

.......eh.......okay.......tutuu..............because.......you asked.......

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Slightly worse look, although not damning because falcon was in full fuck you mode by then and it was impossible to find him.

I won't quote EOD1 but it didn't feel like SvS to me. pyxxy spends most of the time trying to get Zenon and tutuu to articulate and question why they townread Porscha and scumread him, which strikes me as a way that gets Porscha killed a lot of the time but gives pyxxy very little towncred. The demand that Zenon find him and frustrated suspicion of tutuu and Zenon (as opposed to yelling about how Porscha is obvious scum) also strikes me as behavior that scum doesn't think to fake a lot of the time.

tutuu has said pyxxy has a wide scum range but shrug, I think if something is townie it's townie. So far good look for pyx.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 12:48 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:44 pm I have not reviewed the linked game in detail but if it is true that Porscha is no longer volume polarized then it she is actually kind of scummy... the noise to signal ratio is really bad

it isn't my fault that half the people who signed up aren't playing and the other half are actually roleplaying the title of the game.

Who do you think is mafia?

I dont care if pyxxy dies the most but until wilgy / camilla / falcon make any real posts it's hard to sort the people who are posting

.......pocket.......mmmm.......warm.......I’ll just.......stay in here

(food.......not.......ready :/)

This doesn't look partnered with Porscha.

(Interestingly, the Porscha post he is responding to complains about Wilgy/Camilla being afk. Is Porscha really just venting her frustrations about afk teammates in the thread?)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 8:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:23 pm I think Porscha is out of her wolf range + she's playing completely different from the one time I saw her wolf

.......do I.......have to..............again.......sigh

Not really the reaction I'd expect from someone who just saw Alison lock clear their wolf buddy.

I'll reread pyxxy to double check in the evening

Fair point that roxy would just take the camilla/jack chain exes, i just squinty eyed at her suddenly deciding I was a top suspect after ignoring me all game, and for bad reasons too

for example a thought that keeps coming to my mind is, why does camilla let herself be strongarmed into voting wilgy? she had enough clout to refuse and size 20 all caps into another exe at the time that I pinged her. Does she just shrug and let me coerce her into voting the rb when the doc is alive?

sod2 -> sod4, typo

Re: "why is Alison so uncertain at f5" it is harder to make the decision for me than it is for you. I've pretty clearly implied that Jack has been townier than Camilla today (and I think the last page or twi especially) but keep in mind that just sod2 I had camilla as a top townread and jack as poe and possibly partnered with wilgy.

I want to get it right at f5 too. I am cognizant of the possibility I am being snowed and it worries me that Roxy seems to be trying to set up Camilla -> Alison chain exes because I keep going back to the possibility she is the wolf fucking with us.

There is a 90-95% chance its just jack or camilla - and yes I do lean towards voting camilla right now - but the 5-10% worries me which is why I am taking my time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 9:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 7:44 pm I have not reviewed the linked game in detail but if it is true that Porscha is no longer volume polarized then it she is actually kind of scummy... the noise to signal ratio is really bad

it isn't my fault that half the people who signed up aren't playing and the other half are actually roleplaying the title of the game.

I believe this is the post that Alison referenced twice as Porscha spewing her town.

Kinda buy it tbh.

Camilla better flip wolf or I'm so lost.

I was actually referring to when someone asks porscha what she thinks of me voting her and porscha is all "yeah its a reaction test she'll move off soon" which sounded to me a lot like she was frustrated and copium

Thread died huh?

Where is roxy?

Does it help us to block wolf jack from ccing doc at f3?

lets say jack goes f3 with vt and doc

doc claims -> jack ccs -> jack vs doc tdome

doc claims -> jack doesnt cc -> jack vs vt tdome

either way jack has to tdome someone so it doesnt help him much?

I'm not saying a fucking word about who I'm voting or what claim I'm believing at f3 and neither should anyone else. First because I don't know myself and often re-read and reevaluate at f3 and you should too. Second because we shouldnt give wolves any hint about what combo of townies is most likely to make them win.

I need to travel to another city so ill be gone for a few hours. Will check back in later today.

I ask that jack and camilla refrain from the thing where they quote every post the other person writes and goes "this is outing". Even if you are right it doesnt help me get there on them and becomes tedious after a while. (I am a hypocrite bc i do this too sometimes but im just telling you it wont do anything to help me decide)