The Syndicate

don't think the game is scumsided

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:18 am does alison ever lose as mafia?

I lost in the simpsons mafia

the strongman only blocks one heal, not two

also the lost soft was an actual coincidence, I was killed N1, but since I'm the traitor I got recruited instead

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:37 am Man nanook's shit is still wild to me maybe nova and nook are both scum lmfao

nook's alignment doesn't matter honestly just exe him to test the claim and he's either confirmed town or we win by the end of it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:36 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:34 am I'm not painting shit I'm going to flip watcher and you're probably going to backtrack and say "oh I guess the town secret role was watcher" and I'm just ensuring that my legacy is crystal clear so town doesn't buy that.
That would be bastard, the secret role will flip as secret role and the secret will be revealed as all other secret role have flipped so far. Also do you take the remaining players for idiot lol? They don't need your legacy to be crystal clear to yeet me if you flip watcher, which you aren't going to do.

No, I think you're going to claim that you are the secret role, who is also a watcher

it's your only defense atp so I don't see why you wouldn't do it

at any rate I'm already dead so no idea why you're continuing to argue against me rather than let me have my legacy and go do other stuff

I'm not painting shit I'm going to flip watcher and you're probably going to backtrack and say "oh I guess the town secret role was watcher" and I'm just ensuring that my legacy is crystal clear so town doesn't buy that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:33 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:32 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:30 am shoot Alison

@sprityo
I'm the actual Watcher. yeet nova into the sun, test nanook's claim tomorrow, then just exe off the non-confirmeds.

nutella is still unclaimed and could in theory be a wolf if she's like massively expanded her scumrange. Or maybe she just didn't know who she was exeing since the mastermind anonymizes mafia roles.

At any rate I'm out of the game so good luck rest of you.
Lol why are you doing this when you know you're about to flip Maf, and the action is locked?

because I'm not maf

lol

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:31 am [VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Oh no you don't

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:30 am shoot Alison

@sprityo

I'm the actual Watcher. yeet nova into the sun, test nanook's claim tomorrow, then just exe off the non-confirmeds.

nutella is still unclaimed and could in theory be a wolf if she's like massively expanded her scumrange. Or maybe she just didn't know who she was exeing since the mastermind anonymizes mafia roles.

At any rate I'm out of the game so good luck rest of you.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:28 am You guys wanna keep talking or should I end this

You should prolly just shoot, I don't think it matters who really

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:21 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:17 am Yeah this is it. The GD plan was never worthy of clearing her, I mostly just thought she was approaching the game from a townie pov regarding how we were dunking on wolves, but her wolf range is infinite and she could have figured I'd view that as her town meta in a game where town was ahead, and instead took advantage of it to go deep.
My wolf range may be big but it's not GD plan + dunk on 3 wolves and sheep nutella whole game big

Like I can do a lot of stuff as wolf but that's just strategically unsound, at some point I have to power wolf and start exeing towns if I'm scum or my team doesn't have the numbers to win and town has auto. I never did that.

I also wouldn't claim Watcher and get into a fight with nanook if I was scum, I'd just claim some random unclaimed role like Loudmouth or Doctor.
Ok but your claim of having softed watcher is less believable than nova's perspective claim thingy imo

And your argument here isnt gonna sell me, I'm sure you could have taken this route as wolf to get yourself this far

If I take this route as wolf my team gets auto'd. There's only so hard you can bus before you just get destroyed by power roles. A single flavor cop check or bad track and the game ends. It makes no strategical sense; you can say that I have the guts to do this as a wolf, but I still wouldn't if it doesn't make sense.

Also I don't know why you're treating nova's perspective claim as after the fact, anyone can point to themselves grilling someone else and call it a reaction test.

At any rate you can blast me to clear your doubts then blast nova for free (I'd prefer you do it vice versa but I think we have auto either way unless something weird happens, so). If he's the traitor then run up nanook tomorrow, confirm he's the mayor, then we should have auto from there since every role is confirmed.

And LC has openly admitted to townsiding (which he always does as 3P) because I made him do so by giving him his win condition and threatening him with exe if he doesn't townside

Unless you also think I looked at my whole team being slaughtered and decided to give out roleblocks to townie slots like candy

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:17 am Yeah this is it. The GD plan was never worthy of clearing her, I mostly just thought she was approaching the game from a townie pov regarding how we were dunking on wolves, but her wolf range is infinite and she could have figured I'd view that as her town meta in a game where town was ahead, and instead took advantage of it to go deep.

My wolf range may be big but it's not GD plan + dunk on 3 wolves and sheep nutella whole game big

Like I can do a lot of stuff as wolf but that's just strategically unsound, at some point I have to power wolf and start exeing towns if I'm scum or my team doesn't have the numbers to win and town has auto. I never did that.

I also wouldn't claim Watcher and get into a fight with nanook if I was scum, I'd just claim some random unclaimed role like Loudmouth or Doctor.

I would prefer nova to be shot but I'm down for either option

I could towncase myself if you want

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:07 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:06 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:05 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'm the 1-shot Watcher. Watched Falcon N1, and nobody visited
You definitely aren't lol

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine
Lol ok, I get shot and you yeeted. Or vice versa, fine by me.

I'm cool with that trade.

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

oops

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:05 am [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'm the 1-shot Watcher. Watched Falcon N1, and nobody visited

You definitely aren't lol

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Why would nook garbage fakeclaim to red check his own Obliterator

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:21 pm The floor is all yours Alison

I'm the one-shot Watcher (and nook isn't). I checked Mac N1. I softed my role in #5605:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:22 pm NIK, what's your claim? You're next on the list.

Also I think nook is confirmed not-mafia at least. I'm not interested in hunting the 3P in this position and there's no way he bussed TH from that spot, so.

ie. I think he's the 3P because he faked his claim, but the claim was townsiding because he red checked the Obliterator. Could be pack wolf trying to bus another wolf and go deep, but I think TH would have told him to knock it off in mafia chat if that was the case.

If this theory is true then it would mean that TC is the Traitor and their exeproof ability is a result of that. The alternative explanation is that nook is the Mayor and was essentially counterclaiming TH, framed as a Tracker/Watcher check to throw off the Obliterator.

NIK, what's your claim? You're next on the list.

Also I think nook is confirmed not-mafia at least. I'm not interested in hunting the 3P in this position and there's no way he bussed TH from that spot, so.

I think we should probably mass claim in order, yeah. TC was checked and doesn't seem to have a soupkill so I don't think there's a punish.

What is your role/night actions?

Obviously nobody should claim for any reason during the extended time

I would prefer to take a bit of time because if TH is town secret role and full claims it might provide us with important info. At the very least wait for them to check back in.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:46 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:44 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:24 pm @112 who'd you track
nobody yet
what

why wouldn't you track someone
i wanted to be a late-game hero

why claim tracker then, if that was your goal? if you claim you open yourself up to being possibly obliterated, and you weren't under pressure at the time of the claim.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:44 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:24 pm @112 who'd you track
nobody yet

what

why wouldn't you track someone

I would also vote for the Leeroy going on Joe, yeah. I don't want that slot living to endgame under any circumstance.

I'm around this time!

It's mech optimal to just vote sig if he's claiming leeroy though so not sure if that makes a difference

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:09 pm if sig is town then leeroy is what he's implying. i don't.... i don't think there's room for that sort of thing on a mafia team, or it would have been used 3 scum lynches before this. possibly indie. i will review things

I don't think it matters; the Leeroy role dies when it uses its power. He's either going to use his role and flip, or he's lying and flips.

Okay so if sig is claiming leeroy the best thing to do is to exe him to prove the claim. I'll revote sig on the poll and if sig is leeroy he can target whoever he wants. I would personally suggest joe or 112, currently leaning towards joe.

I'm up, what's good

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:25 pm I still don't believe traitor doesn't count, the fuck does "aligned with the mafia" mean then

Like obv we need them dead, more so than a 3p survivor I'd assume
I can't think of any reasonable interpretation of "does not count towards mafia total" other than it doesn't help them reach parity
But like... do we actually not need them dead then

That makes so little sense to me

And I think that's what sig is so if you think we don't need him dead help me figure out the pack wolves

I would probably say joe over 112

NIK is only wolf if he's traitor given how often he's been a CW to flipped wolf

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:25 pm I still don't believe traitor doesn't count, the fuck does "aligned with the mafia" mean then

Like obv we need them dead, more so than a 3p survivor I'd assume

I can't think of any reasonable interpretation of "does not count towards mafia total" other than it doesn't help them reach parity

Probably the strongest reason for scumreading sig is that he tried to stir up suspicion against nutella even after acknowledging that she can only be scum if she's the traitor, since it doesn't make any sense from a town POV to want to kill the traitor here when it doesn't count towards parity.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I tend towards thinking TC is 3P, and I think nook/TH will self resolve (I have a specific reason to believe this but probably anti town to say what it is).

yeah I'm with nutella here I think.

I'm also mulling over the possibility of NIK being the traitor but traitor doesn't count towards mafia members so I'm fairly sure we should NIK leave alone regardless

I think mafia TC just claims survivor there and tries to pocket nutella or something. "I'm not claiming my win con" = "I'm 3P with some out of the box wincon, I haven't fulfilled it yet and I don't want you to know what it is so you don't steer away from it"

Out of the box win con would also explain the "boring" role, and TC not being mafia would explain the very rapid pileup on them

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:22 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:06 am Basically, even if TC is mafia, the diff between exeing TC and exeing TC's teammate is that exeing TC's teammate makes it a lot harder to lose to a masskill.
Its the same tbh since he vanishes for a day and night

If we assume hes mafia and only 1 maf buddy remaining

Yeet th > go to night > start next day, wake up to a mass kill, but th has vanished (i assume wont count for parity). So 1 maf remaining. Yeet that, th returns, yeet

Otherwise

Yeet maf buddy > go to night > start next day, wake up to a night kill> only 1 maf remaining (th). And proceed as usual

A downside is if we leave th to be the very very last scum we yeet. If we do that, after we take his first life, we wont yeet scum (cuz there are none) while we wait on the day he has vanished. Altho i guess thats ok, he will disappear anyway and probably wont be able to kill at night so maybe we dont lose anything in this scenario

So probbaly the result is the same as long as we yeet mafia

Unless th doesnt completely leave the game when he vanishes, only then it matters

Doesn't TC choose someone else to vanish too?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:34 am
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:33 am I just find it odd mafia, based off whom flipped wouldn't go to kill her or another big town read and instead just be picking off people who aren't posting as much.
Why is that odd, when we have 2 docs and a bus driver? How do you know nutella wasn't targeted and saved on the first two nights? This line of logic doesn't add up to me.
I'm kind of ignoring that as a factor, even if she was saved why wouldn't mafia hit her again?

Honestly this a very down the rabbit hole type discussion. I don't have any information to back this up or lead to this theory I was just throwing it out there to see what other people think.

I've been in so many TS games were we town core mafia and they just ride to the end. It hasn't ever been nutella, but she's been in enough/read those games that it was something I wanted to bring up.

It's relevant because one of the docs is Seraph Knight, who heals the same person every night. So it would make sense for mafia to stay away from someone they've failed to kill once because that person could be SK'd.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:33 am I just find it odd mafia, based off whom flipped wouldn't go to kill her or another big town read and instead just be picking off people who aren't posting as much.

Why is that odd, when we have 2 docs and a bus driver? How do you know nutella wasn't targeted and saved on the first two nights? This line of logic doesn't add up to me.

Basically, even if TC is mafia, the diff between exeing TC and exeing TC's teammate is that exeing TC's teammate makes it a lot harder to lose to a masskill.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:04 am Like its a 3 day investment to yeet thundercat

First yeet, vanish on the 2nd day, yeet on 3rd day

Even if we kill all the other mafia we will need to do this 3 day investment to kill him

Why not get rid of his first life now

Yeet another mafia tomorrow

Finish him the day after tomorrow

We have to find the other mafia members too, and getting rid of them now makes it harder for a big soupkill to achieve parity.

I actually don't feel great about the TC wagon now. They've essentially confirmed that tutuu's check on them is accurate by reaction, but they could be 3P. Even if they're mafia, the fact that so many people have claimed roles today means that tonight is when we're at the most risk of having a lot of people drop dead from soupkill mechanics. In that context it might not be appropriate to remove TC's second life, because you'd rather actually get a mafia out of the game for parity reasons.

@sig You tinfoiled nutella earlier on the basis of NKA. What makes you think it's due to nutella orchestrating scum kills around her rather than a doc dodge? We have two docs and a bus driver, and scum failed to kill the first two nights (suggesting that they might have hit a healed target).

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:36 am Answering that would require me to claim whether it’s a watch or a track, soooooooo

Pass

Okay but can you answer why you believe that there's a 10% chance that TH is town if they've claimed Mayor and you know for a fact that they entered Thunal's house

I don't get why you are considering a 10% TH town world if they are tracked to the kill

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME everyone's checked in, I think - what's your check?

anyway I'm tired of this shit, I'm just going to assume nook/tutuu are town (and by extension tutuu's green checks are town since we have no evidence pointing to her being messed with), and just whack the POE, and then we can come back and discuss what's going on if the game still isn't won

I basically singlehandedly gave LC the win and shielded him the whole game so he better keep his word about townsiding lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:27 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:25 am Was there talk of a mafia roleblocker earlier, due to townie people being roleblocked? Is that accounted for on the days that tutuu checked nova/kyle?
welll martin was roleblocked but he believes flanders was the town auto roleblocker

otherwise i dunno

its not thundercat he has no roleblocking stuff. i kinda doubt the hidden 3p also has any

so the traitor or the last main pack wolf could have a roleblock something something. shrug

why would martin know that?

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