The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:39 am I don't think it's within tutuu's scum range to use a personal attack on someone who correctly scumread her when she is a wolf. That just doesn't seem like something she would do.
You think she's too kind spirited to do that? Tutuu is sweet but I don't think getting pissed off at being tunneled by town and sounding off is beyond her.

I think when you're getting scumread as a wolf you know the town is justified/correct and are just like "well, you got me" and are less likely to get super pissed at them for it, than if you know they're wrong and throwing the game with their own hubris. I've seen pissed off tutuu and it generally seems to be when she thinks she has the moral high ground, which she wouldn't if the scumreads on her were 100% correct.

I'm amending this to be slightly less than I thought it was because I did just think of a recent Discord conversation (pre-rand) where she said she would get pissed if she was caught for the wrong reasons, but even with that in mind I think my general rule that people get more angry if they know the suspicion on them is totally bullshit and wrong tends to be more true.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:02 pm I don't get your soreness about NIK, he's been townie in the same way every CDCer in the game has been.
Soreness? No, I just think he's been scummy. I think reading all the CDC players the same way is a bad idea and also doesn't make sense because they've all played differently. Some of them make sense to be read town by ordinary means like Falcon and Flanders. The remainder haven't passed my standards test and I don't know why they've passed yours. And asking me to accept a read on blind faith without even giving me a post to look at as town is actually pretty bad for you too.

I think CDC players rub off on each other a lot, and share a very similar tone. When they're town they're blunt, argumentative, and poke at people. They take hold of small inconsistencies or suspicious behaviors, and they pull the thread until the carpet unravels, for better or worse. NIK's play looks like it slots right into that pattern to me.

I ask people to accept reads on blind faith all the time, and you had no issue with it when I first asked. What's your issue with it now?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:06 pm What is CDC? Besides the evil government organization trying to take over the world.

The site that Falcon, Flanders, NIK, KZA and BoKnows all come from.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:06 pm I'm getting a gut bad read from nutella and after kinda catching up tuutuu. The whole poop thing was just sketchy especially in its placement. Now if we assume mafia don't know each other I could still see mafia members jumping on her.

Allison has had some pings, but not enough to vote off of. Still waiting to see why she reads me as town though.

Mac and Made seem good so far.

For post 812 and 814, mostly.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:47 pm BoKnows is such a fucking innocent child lol
I really still do not understand this read.
Can I just say trust me on this one and take it on faith for now?

^

I don't get your soreness about NIK, he's been townie in the same way every CDCer in the game has been.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:54 pm How to read Alison.

If her reads are bad she is mafia.

Her reads are bad.

I have pretty high confidence in my reads this game actually.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:50 pm Poison why is your reaction to being scumread to lol at them?
Because syndicate scum read me when I'm town and put me in the town core and never touch me when I'm non town. That makes me a good non town player than town player. If that is true then I should have been executed this well as per those who scum reads me but that is not so.

You know what I mean~~~~~~~

This is a terrible way of sorting you, or people in general really.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:47 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:43 pm Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.
i dont see it
Says they want to see the tutuu conflict firsthand, but no followup or evidence they actually went back and read it. Is asked for thoughts, lays down two townreads on consensus-townread players. You ask people to sheep you on Sloonei, and they agree immediately, in a way that makes it clear it's "not their fault" if Sloonei flips green. Follows by straight-up giving advice to a mafia role on optimal play. I see this as hostile 3P trying to help the mafia coordinate by giving advice to the Obliterator.
bumping for visibility
Grand Scheme's Mastermind-Obliterator stuff was really bizarre. Looking at the OP there's no reason to think they know the mafia's identity and their treatment of that role could be TMI. Why hostile 3P? I think if anything it points to Grand Scheme being the obliterator himself.

If he's the Obliterator he just does his own thing without bringing up optimal Obliterator play in the thread. If he's mafia he speaks to the Obliterator privately through BTSC. If he's hostile 3P and has an idea for how the Obliterator should be playing, he can post it in the thread and let the Obliterator see. The point is, there's no reason that a townie would ever have an idea about how mafia can optimize their strategy, and post it in the thread to help them out.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:43 pm Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.
i dont see it
Says they want to see the tutuu conflict firsthand, but no followup or evidence they actually went back and read it. Is asked for thoughts, lays down two townreads on consensus-townread players. You ask people to sheep you on Sloonei, and they agree immediately, in a way that makes it clear it's "not their fault" if Sloonei flips green. Follows by straight-up giving advice to a mafia role on optimal play. I see this as hostile 3P trying to help the mafia coordinate by giving advice to the Obliterator.

bumping for visibility

sig is probably town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:17 pm thunal is a she, and as far as I can tell the things you're identifying about thunal as scummy are just part of her town range
The same can be said of the things you're town reading her for being in her scumrange though.

Yeah, and I'm not townreading her for that, I'm townreading her because her tone is very strong. The level of detail in her posts is NAI.

I'm not seeing where Thunal is fluffing overly, especially since I've posted virtually the same thought as she did seconds apart lol.

Like "Thunal is scum because she is making detailed posts" is not a read that makes sense to me, as someone who's seen the way Thunal towns.

thunal is a she, and as far as I can tell the things you're identifying about thunal as scummy are just part of her town range

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:00 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:47 pm BoKnows is such a fucking innocent child lol
I really still do not understand this read.

Can I just say trust me on this one and take it on faith for now?

112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:50 pmthunal w

weird read. why?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:02 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:50 pm Thundercat lock scum
Maybe not lock scum

but I do think that post was preety bad imo

I think it points to a playstyle/meta difference more than anything.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:43 pm Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.
i dont see it

Says they want to see the tutuu conflict firsthand, but no followup or evidence they actually went back and read it. Is asked for thoughts, lays down two townreads on consensus-townread players. You ask people to sheep you on Sloonei, and they agree immediately, in a way that makes it clear it's "not their fault" if Sloonei flips green. Follows by straight-up giving advice to a mafia role on optimal play. I see this as hostile 3P trying to help the mafia coordinate by giving advice to the Obliterator.

[VOTE: Grand Scheme] aubergine

Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:10 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:44 pm The yellow font hurt me eyes.
What background are you using?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:14 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:10 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:44 pm The yellow font hurt me eyes.
What background are you using?
The white one
We have a black one that I think is much nicer. I think the prosilver background became the default when the site went nuts a couple weeks ago, but it’s not supposed to be.
this is how sloonei reenters the thread after a while?

his first post was already so wolfy and this isnt doing him any favors

How was his first post wolfy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 pm Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?
Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?
Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?
I'm doing fine, Mr. Parmesan. Do you have reads yet?
I am about to leave for work now and was going to drop this Spicy read unsolicited if you hadn’t asked:
Nutella is mafia.

not feeling it

Every site has their own meta and old Syndicate probably has a different meta from current Syndicate.

I think nutella sheeping everyone's reads is well within her town range lol, she's sort of infamous for it.

Let's try that formatting again.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:19 am Certainly other players, including Flanders, Poison & Nutella, need to be looked at...interesting that you miss Alison, but you seem to be basing this off an assumed Tuutu green flip because of "staging" that you don't define.

@ Sloonei Falcon already brought up the point about agreeing with it looking like TMI way before I did, just two posts after the original Made post.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:19 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:56 am Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?
What gives you the feeling that the jokes are going to "actually stick", and what do you mean by that?
@Sloonei Falcon already brought up the point about agreeing with it looking like TMI way before I did, just two posts after the original Made post.

You're giving Tuutu a "bye" based on a hypothetical lynch scenario?

Certainly other players, including Flanders, Poison & Nutella, need to be looked at...interesting that you miss Alison, but you seem to be basing this off an assumed Tuutu green flip because of "staging" that you don't define.

I also suspect there's some meta dissonance going on here because you mentioned high post volume and aggressive entrances as something that gets people scumread more often, when in my experience it's likely to be the opposite.

I don't really agree with your way of looking at wagonomics but I think the way you're looking at it is a pretty hard to fake townie mindset.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:23 am Lock town: BoKnows, Falcon, Thunal
Town: Flanders, MacDougall, NIK, nutella
Scum: Poison, tutuu

Something something. I think I've explained all my reads except NIK (nothing special, just good tone) and MacDougall (I think he tries to powerwolf here if he is a wolf, not slank).

Patch notes: tutuu upgraded to Town category. Made inserted into Town category. Grand Scheme is like slightly below null.

Why don't we just ask the source directly

@Made

Can you tell us why you thought a consolidation on tutuu would lead to a misexe? At the time you made that post, what made you sure tutuu was town?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:31 pm This seems really towny that he's worried about having more info than others/potentially having an advantage while solving.

Yes, that's one of the reasons why I locked him town. Didn't want to get too far into it because it touches OGI territory, but basically he's repping an uninformed player here, and I don't think this is the kind of thing he fakes if he's scum.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:56 am Honestly, the fact that we have so much to talk about on D0 is very weird to me, I'm use to running jokes at this point, but to me it feel like they might actually stick. I feel like if things stay on their current path, we're running into a "crap we need to lynch someone...uhhhh okay let's lynch Tutuu" situation, and I just don't like that staging. I'm inclined to give Tutuu a "bye" because of it. The obvious direction from there is to look at the people who have been pushing that bus hardest-- Poison and to a lesser extent Nutella--but passed that, I wouldn't mind more conversation around Flanders.

Thoughts?

@Sloonei

This is the post I thought might have TMI, in that it presumes tutuu is going to flip green, but I could see it as more of a wagonomics kind of deal, which is why I still townread Made overall.

Martin is town. Trust me on this one.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:19 pm Has the meta evolved to the point where mortal minds can read Nutella yet? I’m aggressively neutral on her right now (but really excited to play with her again )

Current spicyness ratings from spiciest to mafia
Chef Made
Alison
Falcon

Macdougall
Thunal
Rest
NIK
Nutella
TuTuu

Poison
Flanders

You repped a null read on me earlier and I have no posts since then. What changed?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:05 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:55 pm I do like Tutuus plea to get more leash. Nothing is more frustrating than being wrongly labelled early into a game and you're on the defence for the majority of the round.

Also if the thunal and alison masons thing is in fact a thing that would be huge. start clearing some people
Catching up rn and completely agreed. It's good to give people some space to change their meta, sometimes town don't want to play the same way every game.

This is true.

Made's entrance was mostly raw town but the hints of TMI about tutuu skeeve me out. I'm putting that slot down as a regular townread.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:42 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:59 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:52 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:51 am Why Polyplies and Boknows?
please dont pretend like you actually care
I actually do, I swear lol
poly seemed to ignore most of the big stuff and its like he was reading a different game to me

bo felt a bit disattached / safe to me as well. not sure iirc but i believe he defended me as well in a way i thought could have been a bit tmi-ish

towny post

Flanders promoted to town core

going to nap for a bit

why do you have to actually read her this game? you've indicated that you've had decent success sitting back and letting other people read her, and as it happens she seems to be broadly consensus townread by the thread, yes?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:08 am Hmm. What do you think of nutella?

What made nutella get on your mind?

FWIW I think it is not out of town range for tutuu to lash out like that if she feels wronged as town, Flanders.

do YOU think that shit fanfic thing was written by mafia tutuu, poison?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:59 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:56 am I was your biggest attacker earlier and now I'm on Poison and feel good about you. You have your space to hunt, go wild and don't get caught up in this debate about whether or not you ad hommed Flanders. You're getting stuck in a rut arguing the same points over and over. Even if Poison is scum she must have teammates so help me find them.
Different people place differrnt values in different things

The things i put the most value in do not necessarily correlate to the stuff u put the most value in

Once the things that are the most importsnt to me get resolved, if at all, then i will continue on the pyramid of priorities

k

I don't necessarily read KZA as the kind of player who tends to really propel the game forward consistently in their first few posts. Do you have meta on him that I don't?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:52 am Poison is open wolfing with the 3P stuff I think.
Nah I'm roleplaying a mafia and mourning for not having a 3p role. You don't find many games with 3ps.

Also, I never claimed town in any of my non town games.

I'm claiming town.

It is a bit weird that Alison finds it hard to town read me after hydraing with me. Do you see any dissimilarities with these two games?

I don't read people like that. The games are dissimilar so I expect dissimilarities in play. I'm scumreading you for the behaviors that I quoted.

I was your biggest attacker earlier and now I'm on Poison and feel good about you. You have your space to hunt, go wild and don't get caught up in this debate about whether or not you ad hommed Flanders. You're getting stuck in a rut arguing the same points over and over. Even if Poison is scum she must have teammates so help me find them.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:52 am Poison is open wolfing with the 3P stuff I think.
Apart from ny stuff about flanders which were arguably not in good faith can u quote to me where have i personally attacked someone

writing a story about them being a whiny baby who shits themselves is a personal attack

Poison is open wolfing with the 3P stuff I think.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:36 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:30 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:29 am Damn Alison's reading me like she's played with me for a long time instead of just 2 games. Kinda impressed
I spectated one of your CFC games too a while back. And you have a pretty distinctive tone so it's easy to read you. (It's a tone you broadly share with the other people in your community too, I think.)
It's very possible we rub off on each other, tone wise. It's probably harder for us to see in our own lil' bubble.

You guys seem cool. I like the bluntness of your tone, it's a refreshing change of pace.

I don't think it's within tutuu's scum range to use a personal attack on someone who correctly scumread her when she is a wolf. That just doesn't seem like something she would do.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:32 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:30 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:23 am It's true falc. You're outted town.

Tried to tell you earlier.

Outed town?

I'll NK YOU TONIGHT.

Can we turbo this

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