The Syndicate

I think Falcon is my pick?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:07 am My vote is just sheeping nutella right now given D1, but my guess for mafia is NIK here. Everyone who knows him well is adamant he's scum, and he was blocked on a night no kill happened. Could be a doc save, but the evidence piles up.
I came out of the eod feeling like it prob wasn't w/w wagons just from how the votes were dispersed. Like so many towny people were on jack and so many wolfy people were on nik. And I felt like sabie was one there that really felt like a fit to be mafia so I blocked her, and her sod posts don't make me feel any hesitance to voting her.

Yeah that makes sense. Who are we offering a bargain to tonight?

My vote is just sheeping nutella right now given D1, but my guess for mafia is NIK here. Everyone who knows him well is adamant he's scum, and he was blocked on a night no kill happened. Could be a doc save, but the evidence piles up.

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

I roleblocked NIK last night by the way. nutella did you get a block, or is that tomorrow night?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:00 am I'm not a fan of this demon plan at all as soon as its advantageous the demon will flip and side with mafia if needed, if we've found a 3p who's not actually town aligned we should lynch em.

How are they going to do that?

All the CDCers are pretty fun to play with.

I'm gonna be honest I'm having a hard time really caring about/getting into the meat of the Jack/NIK stuff because they're both scummy enough that I want to kill them both and I haven't seen anything that convinces me one is significantly townier than the other.

I wanna talk about Made. What's your progression on me like, Made? You went from "Alison's behavior is NAI" to "I have the last reasons to suspect Alison" to an unreserved "Alison is town". What did I do or say that finally made me a real townread?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:00 am
Made wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:28 am Gimme a readslist Made.
We don't serve readslist at this bistro... only....

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vol 3.

Today we are serving

The Tutuu: was fresh earlier, but is quite stale today tbh.

The Thunal: may be going bad as well, but started fresher than the Tutuu for sure

People stopped ordering the 112, all at once. now they're throwing it out?

The Sig is immitation, but no one's seemed to notice so

Alison /w a side of Nutella is a special this week, but the Nutella is VERY option. A treat deceptively low in calories, but entirely unoffensive.

I'm learning the Flanders is an aquired taste, quite bitter-- but still fresh

Martin looks good, but empty calories I'd say

The GS is murky, but taste okay. Needs to be marinated further.

Our Kyles are a hit, but potential a flash in the pan longing for SUBSTANCE

There's a guy name Joseph who works here....

The nova is foul ngl, but, like the GS, it's not order by critics often. A critic's review of either dish is in order

The Nanook is bland--tasteless , and the Jack is hated by critics, I trust the critics but it's fan's aren't exactly the most cultured....

We are considering adding Boknows to the menu, but again bland. Ngl, I haven't had much of this dish

the Polypie exist.

Steer clear of the KZA, also imitation.
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The Maccaroni: Highly praised, but like the pufferfish INCREDIBLY TOXIC if prepared poorly. This hasn't lead to lack of demand, however. It's imperative that all Chefs prepare this dish with care to ensure the safety of our patrons.

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Bone apple teet
This is a hedgy do nothing post dressed up like a meme. There is no read here that is good and I now wish to turbo you.

yes

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:44 am What is "possibly dm"?

Thunal is a girl by the way.
lmao. Did someone say a player here is "possibly DM"?
If it was a CDCer it means a lot. Lol

NIK said the emoji player is "possibly DM"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:30 am @Alison

What happened to your suspicions of Tutuu and Poison? I feel like I’m gonna lose catchup motivation (see: vote count) before reaching that point in the thread.

tutuu got townier. I still suspect Poison.

What is "possibly dm"?

Thunal is a girl by the way.

I have instructed the Demon to offer a bargain to nutella tonight. And I would appreciate it if people would try their best not to spew themselves not-Demon.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:35 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:31 am Alison
falcon45ca
KZA
MartinG99
nutella
Stupid Sexy Flanders

This is my towncore. If your name is here you have a duty of care to not be shit.
Why is Martin in the towncore?

Because I say so.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:22 am Did you read spoiler 3 Jack? If the Demon lies we can out them and kill them. So they won't lie.
Whose idea was the "instead of having people rank up, let's just do 7 people, no one go to tier two" part? Yours or theirs?

Mine. The whole plan is my idea, all the Demon wanted to do was offer me power and hope I'd bite.

Did you read spoiler 3 Jack? If the Demon lies we can out them and kill them. So they won't lie.

Thundercat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:09 am My only qualm with your timing Al is it might take discussion away from who we're chopping today.

I'm outlining a plan to give the towniest players in a game seven roleblocks, and we already have consensus agreement on who we're exeing (it's either NIK or Jack). What more do you want?

The Gambit Demon has bargained with me.

Here is the reference post outlining the Gambit Demon's role, as stated in the OP. It is a third-party role.

-Gambit Demon: During the day, select a player to bargain with. You will join a chat with the player who can choose to accept your help *SECRETS*

On Day 0, the Gambit Demon selected me as the target, and has revealed their identity to me. They have performed a full claim to me, listing every detail about their role and win condition, and assured me that they intend to townside this game because it helps them fulfil their win condition. I will not be revealing the Gambit Demon's identity right now, because the Mafia Obliterator has a soupkill.

In the spoilers below, I will set out what the Gambit Demon's roleclaim is, how we can use it to our advantage, and ways to protect against deception or treachery by the Demon.

Spoiler: show

I believe there is a way for us to use the Gambit Demon's role to our advantage. I will outline briefly the plan here. Naturally there will be concern about betrayal on the part of the Demon. These concerns will be dealt with in the third spoiler, "Protections against treachery". The plan is as follows.

1) I will personally select a player who I trust to be town. The Gambit Demon will offer them a bargain, opening BTSC with them. I myself will strike a deal with the Demon for the tier 1 benefit, and so will the player who they contact.

2) In this manner, two players that I trust to be town will gain a power role (roleblock). Then, we will select another player who we trust to be town, possibly with input from the rest of the thread. This player will also take a tier 1 power.

3) This process repeats, with a new consensus town player selected each night, and taking powers. This part is very important: NO PLAYER WILL TAKE ANY POWER BEYOND TIER 1. Tier 1 is the power that runs the least chance of a catastrophic booby trap implanted in it, as it is hardly likely for the host to inflict severe penalties on someone who accepts a single night's bargain. The downside is not particularly relevant, especially this early in the game. More importantly, it is crucial to the strategy I have devised for protecting against the Demon's treachery that nobody take more than 1 tier of power. I repeat: [color=]ACCEPT THE FIRST DEAL, AND NO MORE[/color]. Don't get greedy and try to make a hero bus driver shot and ruin everything.

4) The sum result of this is that we will essentially turn the Gambit Demon into machine that generates one free roleblock shot every night, to be handed out to people deemed consensus town. Because it is public who the roleblocks are given to, they are held accountable for their shots. That means if we accidentally misclear a wolf and give them a roleblock, they're obliged to use it on someone the town thinks they should use it on, rather than roleblocking a town player or claimed PR.

5) The Gambit Demon has agreed to this plan, because this allows them to get seven bargains struck fairly easily and fulfil their win condition.

Spoiler: show

Now, a name like "Gambit Demon" doesn't exactly inspire suspicion, and neither does the thought of striking mysterious "deals" with them. However, there is no need to worry, as I have devised two strategies to ensure that the Gambit Demon is incentivized to side with town and to obediently hand out roleblocker shots to whoever we agree should get it.

Strategy One: The Leash
Because my plan involves no player taking a power beyond tier 1, the Gambit Demon will have to give seven different players a tier 1 power in order to win. This means that we are essentially putting a leash on them, forcing them to work with us and give players we select a tier 1 power over the course of 7 days. By controlling the circumstances in which the Gambit Demon is permitted to win, and ensuring that they won't actually achieve their win condition until later in the game, we force them to side with us early in the game in order to reach that win condition. This protects against scumsiding, and also against situations where the Gambit Demon achieves their win condition and is free to rampage around the thread causing chaos as they please.

Strategy Two: The Dead Man's Switch
One of my major concerns when constructing this strategy was the possibility of the bargain being more Faustian than expected - perhaps taking a power would have some negative side effect inflicted on me that the Demon has chosen not to disclose. Or perhaps the Demon would get some measure of power over me as a player if I take their bargain. Or perhaps they're simply lying about some aspects of their role claim (remember, I have reason to believe that their win condition is accurate, but not that their role claim is) and can't be trusted.

For this reason, I have established a Dead Man's Switch strategy that allows the Gambit Demon's role to be kept secret (to protect them from being killed by the Obliterator) if they cooperate, but leaked to the rest of the thread if and only if something goes wrong. They are incentivized to make sure this does not happen, because if their identity is leaked, they will be killed either by the Obliterator or by townies, and therefore be unable to achieve their win condition (which is why the Leash is important for keeping them in line, by allowing us to hold this Damocles' Doom over their head).

The strategy is as follows. When the Gambit Demon contacts a player to offer a bargain to them, they gain BTSC with that player. (Remember, this is a player that's been agreed on to be unimpeachably town by the rest of the thread.) As stated in the plan, they will accept the deal and again the tier 1 roleblocking power. They will also, at the same time, establish the Gambit Demon's identity. This can be done in a multitude of ways, or as the player sees fit. If you don't have a better way, the Gambit Demon will tell you what method I used to establish their identity and then have you use it to prove their identity to you.

Under ordinary circumstances, the Gambit Demon's identity is to be kept secret to protect against Obliterator. But if anything goes wrong, the players who know the Gambit Demon's identity will reveal it to the thread, and the town will then execute them, preventing them from completing their win condition. The threat of this will keep the Gambit Demon in line. Things going wrong include: the Gambit Demon not offering a bargain to the person we agreed on, an undeclared negative side effect happening on people who took deals, the people who took deals previously dropping dead without a good explanation for why, or any other evidence of foul play or treachery.

If we have falsely cleared a wolf, and wrongly selected scum to receive the Gambit Demon's bargain, then scum will be privy to the knowledge of who the Gambit Demon is. If the Gambit Demon themselves dies under suspicious circumstances (eg. the Obliterator's soup kill), then we will know that one of the people who we trusted enough to give a roleblock to was a deepwolf in disguise. This is still a positive development for us, because it proves the existence of a deepwolf while we have already gotten to reap some benefits from the Gambit Demon (in the form of giving townies free roleblocks). If the mafia want to waste their nightkill on a 3P slot and work to pass it off as something other than a Gambit Demon snipe (which would out the existence of a deepwolf), that is also fine by me.

If there are any objections or flaws with this plan, let me know.

Alright, writeup ready to send. I'm a little worried this is FPSing, but I've checked over the mechanics and they seem correct, and if they are then we can get some really major upside for town (to the tune of 7 free roleblocks). So, here goes nothing.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:03 am
Made wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 am Hello. I'm caught up. I'm going to be posting less for a bit, because I have an infodump to make, and this infodump will probably change how the game turns out so discussing prior to it isn't worth anything. I'm double checking things with the host before I make the infodump. I approve of both NIK and Jack wagons, and I will be laying my vote down on Jack in deference to nutella's certainty - she has never been wrong about who the mafia is when she's this certain.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine
She really said “I would like to solve the puzzle”

Go off sis
I'm declaring victory!

WTF does this mean?

There is nothing scummy about that post from nutella.

That's why I'm doing due diligence and double checking. It's Obliterator-proof, as far as I can tell.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:33 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:29 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:28 am This game is really funny ya’ll don’t even know.
What's so funny about it?
Can’t explain the joke atm. Sorry.

Does it have anything to do with the infodump I am about to reveal?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:28 am This game is really funny ya’ll don’t even know.

What's so funny about it?

I'm doing my due diligence on the mechanics of this infodump but I'm kinda exciting about it beacuse it's SPICY AF and I have a plan to optimize it that I think is really good. Stay tuned and I hope sprityo gets back to me soon!

Hello. I'm caught up. I'm going to be posting less for a bit, because I have an infodump to make, and this infodump will probably change how the game turns out so discussing prior to it isn't worth anything. I'm double checking things with the host before I make the infodump. I approve of both NIK and Jack wagons, and I will be laying my vote down on Jack in deference to nutella's certainty - she has never been wrong about who the mafia is when she's this certain.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:08 pm literally what the fuck sprityo im going to miss the last six hours of eod what are you australian???!?!?!??

I miss 90% of EODs lol

I think I've been overthinking controversial CDC slots like NIK and KZA too much. CDC has a strong reputation of being able to read each other. MR told me that CDC games almost always end in a town win because CDCers are very obvtown and have very strong and well-established meta on each other so they always catch each other when they're scum. Falcon and Flanders are CDCers that are almost certainly town this game. Ergo I should let them read NIK, KZA and Radish and sheep those reads as long as they aren't totally crazy.

I'm caught up.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

It's either Poison or the Sloonei slot. NIK is a close third.

If Mac is scum what's his game here?

He's not trying to kill any townies as far as I can tell. He isn't trying to pocket anyone or go deep. What's his agenda?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:47 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:46 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:42 am Maybe I'm scarred by a past game together but I'm never giving someone as capable as 112 that easy of a town read
The fact that it's Mac specifically means something tbh bc he was famously scarred by 112 tricking him in F3 of the champs wildcard game last year. So if he's this confident she's town here he believes he's learned a lot since that experience + playing a bunch more times with her since then. It could be that he's mafia and is TMIing her a little if it's strong enough to put her as top town and not have any paranoia there, some possibility they're teammates but ehh, but could be he's town and correct in his confidence given prior experience.
That's an interesting and seemingly hard-to-fake observation that earns you some points in my books.

I am currently a believer in MacScum.

What's Mac doing if he's scum?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:46 am
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:42 am Maybe I'm scarred by a past game together but I'm never giving someone as capable as 112 that easy of a town read
The fact that it's Mac specifically means something tbh bc he was famously scarred by 112 tricking him in F3 of the champs wildcard game last year. So if he's this confident she's town here he believes he's learned a lot since that experience + playing a bunch more times with her since then. It could be that he's mafia and is TMIing her a little if it's strong enough to put her as top town and not have any paranoia there, some possibility they're teammates but ehh, but could be he's town and correct in his confidence given prior experience.

He brought up the 112/vanity game with me when we were hydra'ing together. I think he's still affected by it/it impacts his reads and play, but I don't think he repped being affected so deeply that I would be suspicious of the fact that he seems to trust 112 in this game.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:43 am
Spoiler: show
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:42 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:34 am Only Mac has expressed that sentiment I think?
I have receipts
Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:40 pm So what are your reads then GS?
Ennnhhh....I like Joseph, nutella, 112...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:00 pm So here are my relevant reads:

1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:46 pm
112 is town. I agree with this way too much and her tone/energy feels good. She's completely wrecked me a few times, but 112 is town for now

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:46 pm I have 112 as a townlean, he gives off the vibe of genuinely trying to figure out people's alignments and I think his treatment of me (specifically how his scumread felt like a gut/vibe read with justification, and the "why are we ignoring Thunal" post) feels like real thoughts.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:00 pm So here are my relevant reads:

1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.
1.You've got some contradictions here, namely 7 and 2.
2. 6is flat out wrong, sig is super civvie. The only other person as civvie as sig is 112. Since he makes me laugh.
The fact she kept getting brought up at all just felt weird to me. No disrespect, but like am I missing something maybe?

Gonna come down a little harder on this. This amount of support feels disingenuous, to say the least.

I don't get what your issue is. A bunch of people townread or townlean 112, but it's not like we're all voting in 112 to be our supreme leader. A bunch of people townread Falcon, Flanders, and other consensus townies too. What makes 112 special?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:28 am I was not aware of this much anti-Mac sentiment, I was under the impression nutella thought Mac was a mistaken townie and not a wolf.
Your paragraph about him does make sense tbh

I may have been giving too much weight to the anti-consensus takes, thought they might've been discredit-y (in a scummy context) but I guess not.

As you put it, he may just be lost town and honestly it didn't occur to me to think of Mac as lost town ever because I generally have heard good things about him outside of this game whenever he was brought up.

Every player gets lost once in a while. The good ones know when they're stuck and admit it, and try to find an anchor read whose reads they can sheep/whose slot they can tunnel, depending. The bad ones flail around and get themselves exed or make random decisions.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:32 am Caught up. Just gonna jump into the flow.
112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:59 pm 112 flying under the radar, expect late game heroism
Was this the reason everyone suddenly became Team 112? As I was reading, It really felt her name was drawn out of a hat as the person we all trust suddenly based vaguely on her tone, i think?

Only Mac has expressed that sentiment I think?

Why do you want Mac to feel bad about his fake reads if he's a wolf? Isn't that his job, to make up fake stuff? Wouldn't it make more sense to direct "your reads are bad and you should feel bad" esque comments to a misguided townie?

I was not aware of this much anti-Mac sentiment, I was under the impression nutella thought Mac was a mistaken townie and not a wolf.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:46 am oh oh oh oh and also alison why did we drop thunal out of the towncore?

I picked the people that I thought were all town, and who also think that each other are town. Mac thinks Thunal is scum, so I have to pick one, and I'm slightly more interested in towncoring with him on the basis that I think he has the ability to act as a check and balance and ensure that we don't confbias ourself into orbit or induct a wolf into the core.

The reason I townread Mac is essentially that I see his "I'm lost and I hate this game" attitude as being believable for town!Mac and the way he's been circling around and around just seems devoid of agenda to me. LIke let's say Mac is scum, what exactly is he doing here? His play makes no sense to me if he's scum, he's not killing townies or ingratiating himself as a trusted figure, he's giving bold anti-consensus takes, but he's not really powerwolfing with those takes either. For players like nutella and me that he knows well specifically, I expect him to take firmer stances and either try to pocket or bury us if he's scum, and he's not really done either, which sells the "confused/lost townie" narrative to me.

I'm caught up. I propose a Mac/nutella/tutuu/Alison/Martin/falcon/Flanders towncore. Does anyone dissent to this notion?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:12 pm
Joe Who?

JOE MAMA

fine

I was wrong about NIK

I am currently reevaluating on GS

I think this level of hostility between nutella and Mac sucks to see on a personal level.

You think we're irrelevant and over the hill players?

@MacDougall what does "jump the shark" mean exactly

Why can't we all hold hands and be friends

So what are your reads then GS?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:36 pm I guess will actually read the thread now. I have 5 hours before I need to DM.

this is my first time playing with like 90% of you please do me a favor and tell me about yourselves. describe yourself as what type of reptile you would be if you were a reptile and I will know everything I need to know, thanks in advance

I'd be a snake because they're long and cute

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:43 pm Grand Scheme is literally open wolfing in front of everyone's faces.
i dont see it
Says they want to see the tutuu conflict firsthand, but no followup or evidence they actually went back and read it. Is asked for thoughts, lays down two townreads on consensus-townread players. You ask people to sheep you on Sloonei, and they agree immediately, in a way that makes it clear it's "not their fault" if Sloonei flips green. Follows by straight-up giving advice to a mafia role on optimal play. I see this as hostile 3P trying to help the mafia coordinate by giving advice to the Obliterator.
You are being far too serious, and reading far too much into my posts. I'm just chatting here, not coordinating doomsday, and why would I, as a third-party, want to help the mafia? And how does what I said even help the mafia?

It's not advice, it's awareness, literally responding to nutella's concern that wolf-hunting will be difficult due to anonymity.

You're literally giving the Obliterator advice on how to play, which is to your win condition if you're an anti-town 3P. I have listed other reasons for scumreading you too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:17 pm CDC players rub off on each other is something you read one of them say and are now regurgitating it. It is a mafia forum not a North Korean military camp.

Re. blind faith it is because you did it a second time to someone else. I now think you actually just have no reason for the town read and are afraid to admit it.
No it's not, it's something I've mentioned before and I think they have very similar tone and approaches to the game.

Who else have I asked for a blind faith read on? Do you really think I have no ability to make up some bullshit reason if I'm scum?
Go on then. Make one up.

BoKnows hard shielding Flanders for meta reasons before the thread arrived at the consensus of him being town is townie. #203 and #599 from him shielding tutuu and telling the thread to move on is pro-town, since I think she's town. #203 also shows an eagerness to start building a towncore and clearing people, which is good. In general BoKnows tends to be a cards on the table, open and transparent player and his agenda is usually very plain. It's seems clear that his agenda this game is townie and focused on building bridges between players rather than burying them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:17 pm CDC players rub off on each other is something you read one of them say and are now regurgitating it. It is a mafia forum not a North Korean military camp.

Re. blind faith it is because you did it a second time to someone else. I now think you actually just have no reason for the town read and are afraid to admit it.

No it's not, it's something I've mentioned before and I think they have very similar tone and approaches to the game.

Who else have I asked for a blind faith read on? Do you really think I have no ability to make up some bullshit reason if I'm scum?

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