The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:38 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:37 pm My spicy read is that i really do still think pyxxy is town and my one reservation (he is coasting a bit after i shielded) isnt a issue anymore

Everyone else seems to have pyx as consensus poe but i would kill scotty and wilgy minimim before him probs

Ah see, you make a great post where I was about to put you into towncore, and then you invalidate it with this one!

Bummer

Damn whatever will i do scotty isnt towncoring me

For all that falcon was yelling abt solving with the assumption hes green i dont see him doing much solving himself shrug

Hard not to see him as mafia in anti spew

My spicy read is that i really do still think pyxxy is town and my one reservation (he is coasting a bit after i shielded) isnt a issue anymore

Everyone else seems to have pyx as consensus poe but i would kill scotty and wilgy minimim before him probs

My sickness has gotten pretty bad so i just skimmed again. Sorry. Hope it clears up soon.

I think I'm still just sitting on falcon. There is consensus on him, sure, but what else can his partner do if he is mafia? Even tutuu couldnt save him, his partner is forced to bus regardless. So im not spooked by everyone quietly settling on him

Think jack is townie but dunno how to articulate it rn. I guess I'll say that he feels like a detective who arrived late at the scene and is ambling around peering at clues under a magnifying glass... i know this sounds like a weird argument but my mind goes weird places when i am sick

Think roxy showing up just to make excuses about being afk is a big meh. Thought she was townie yesterday but i really hope she will be more active tomorrow. Was looking forward to her re-eval/solving after her worldview turned upside down and a little paranoid she is ghosting thread bc she cant convincingly fake that reeval.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:22 pm Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

This reads logical except what if there were mafia absent at EOD or mafia that were caught not where they wanted to be by last min wagon shifts? What happens when you take that into account?

Also, idk if in a wolf Porscha/town Pyxxy world wolves really push to yeet Pyxxy over Porscha. Depends. Like was Porscha going down anyway eventually? Did the wolves express townreads on Pyxxy and scumreads on Porscha such that it was hard to shift their votes there in a way that wouldn't be awkward?

Basically, I appreciate your line of thinking and I'd like it to be true but I'm skeptical of it's accuracy re: there is def exactly one wolf in Pyxxy/Scotty.

Yeah afk wolves would scupper this logic. Sad

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:22 pm Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

Do you not think there is a possibility of both pyxxy and myself being town?

(I agree that I lean pyxxy bad atm but that scenario could still exist, could it not?)

Then where are the other two mafia? They just gonna let a mafia die d1 when either of them can easily vote pyxxy with little accountability and kill a town over a maf?

My point was that most of the town is having "blendy" takes today so i am curious why camilla is particularly guilty of it in your view. Like Jack has I think no views at all that arent consensus

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:23 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:18 pm You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

No, but that is the definition of blendy, is it not?

Maybe falcon is scum, and we can revisit this tomorrow, but I think it silly to not even visit the possibility of why we townread her

Well i summed up why I TR her. Do you think its invalid?

Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu

D1 eod

If pyxxy is town, idt 2 mafia sit off his wagon. Zenon and tutuu are conf town so if there is a 2nd mafia on pyxxy which i think must be the case if pyxxy is town then its scotty

If pyxxy town then scotty scum
Dont think pyxxy and scotty are scum together
Ergo if pyxxy scum then scotty town

So scotty/pyxxy diff check i think?
Someone sanity check my logic

You're right that camilla has no original takes but does she need to?

she sits there and goes ok i think falcon is scum. well half the game thinks what. What do you expect her to do, cook up a case on tutuu?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:09 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:10 pm only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

can you rephrase/sum up your suspicion on camilla

It’s just like 3 posts at the top of the last page. Just a general vibe like I feel she’s town based on her solving, but it’s still so blendy.

Also I’m apparently the only one even contemplating that which also is weird to me.

Why is Camilla good, to you?

Because she has posts and solving that I agree with, and I think she had the clout to save porscha d1 if she wanted & i think she would have wanted if she was mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:10 pm Wilgy sticking up for falcon probably means he is only mafia with falcon. Wilgy mafia with anyone else just eats pretzels and watches falcon die

Which is really useful since it lets me rule out scotty wilgy

Wilgy sticking up for falcon probably means he is only mafia with falcon. Wilgy mafia with anyone else just eats pretzels and watches falcon die

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:10 pm only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

YALL

IM LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO JUST SLEEPWALK INTO THE VOID

can you rephrase/sum up your suspicion on camilla

only skimmed but not a fan of the scotty shade on camilla

I don't really understand what is it that camilla is accused of doing wrong and I don't get why her being trusted by townies = she's bad

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:01 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:04 pm Do we have to consider camilla scum worlds if falcon is maf

falcon is town, what do your worlds look like then?



[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

If I had a greencheck on you right now I'd probably just accept that tutuu has a better read on the game than I do and hash out a solve with her.

So let's say you do, what would be your contribution to the hash solve? Who have ya got?

I'd probably sheep the read on Scotty and start there. Jack raises in suspicion by quite a bit due to a combination of the POE narrowing and the fact that he's been backing the push on you without taking the lead on it. Camilla is probably clear, the only reason to suspect her is if you were scum and she sided with you against Rondo. Wilgy stock probably goes down too since I think he has some partner equity with Scotty

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:04 pm Do we have to consider camilla scum worlds if falcon is maf

falcon is town, what do your worlds look like then?



[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

If I had a greencheck on you right now I'd probably just accept that tutuu has a better read on the game than I do and hash out a solve with her.

Who are your suspicions?

Kind of think the wilgy "wolfy 4th vote on porscha" post is townie for being reverse self aware

Like if porscha flipped town that post would look scummy because it feels like hes too aware hes killing a townie with that post. But porscha is mafia so now it feels like he legit didnt know if she would flip scum or not and was being self deprecating if she flipped town and he looked bad off it

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:50 pm While anythingispossible.jpg, their heads were of the same mind at times.

I get you’re trying to figure out if I had TMI on their alignment, and that’s certainly a theory, but really I’m just that good.

Why does their heads being of the same mind indicate that they probably aren't W/V?

I can see why two villas would mindmeld and why two wolves would push the same agenda, but it's not too uncommon for a wolf to mindmeld with a pocketed villa. To me it doesn't necessarily rule out W/V.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:52 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:49 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm at least I can put away my tinfoil on you and zenon.

what? you didn't tinfoil zenon. am i wrong? could you quote me where did you express concern of zenon?

It was a passing fancy to be said in case yall both survived toward f5 or something

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 4:10 pm For the record, I think the only way tutuu or Zenon are bad is if they’re both bad. Which is quite entirely possible, but not an avenue im even going to walk down because it’s got 4 houses and it’s about to be upgraded to a hotel and I can’t afford that shit

other than noticing that she was the cop who had me peeked, how did you form the read that me and her are the same alignment?

Thread presence and honestly? Yall kept using the 'obvtown' argument which is very convincing if used a bunch, which it was.

A phalanx, you two. Sounds like a towncore to me and 2 deep wolves that I didn't want to go towards.

Why can't it be that one of them is a wolf who had the other pocketed? Why must they be V/V or W/W?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:51 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:20 pm but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

There was a Porscha post that felt like she was salty copium over my vote on her that I think spews me town

and she was clearly in idgaf mode the entire game so I don't think she bothered faking her spew

I don't generally catapult spew into my sphere of towny influence. IMO it's easily faked to purposefully spew. I'll take a closer look at her iso concerning you tho.

What number vote were you on her? Were you towards beginning of wagon?

I was one of the first votes on her, I can't remember the exact number but it was pretty close to the start of the game, soon after tutuu told me about her meta.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:32 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:20 pm but alison and camilla wont like scotty vote

but idk it just feels like he's the deep wolf to me

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Can you make a bullet point list of why Alison? I can't make the move to add her to towncore even though I have liked what she's posted. Is it the Porscha vote?

There was a Porscha post that felt like she was salty copium over my vote on her that I think spews me town

and she was clearly in idgaf mode the entire game so I don't think she bothered faking her spew

I think it's a valid point to say that pyxxy has coasted after being shielded D2

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:55 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 8:21 pm sean also very easy to read and also town

almost as easy to read as wilgy and falcon

I find Seanzie to be very easy to read and find as town. Up til this post he hasn't done anything that I would consider townie.

Explain your read.

Alison indicative given Seanzie had like 2 posts. Kinda townie.

The funniest part is that it's now confirmed that tutuu is town and correctly found Seanzie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:10 pm I want jack and roxy to come into the thread and talk. These 2 are who i'm most interested in hearing from

But you don’t listen to me.

Spoiler: show

When i tell you you have bad taste in video games

Well I specified you because your slot has produced literal 0 content the whole game and is only alive because of a sketchy angleshoot

I specified Roxy because she was repping strong confidence that Zenon/tutuu were mafia and Zenon just flipped cop with a probable green check on tutuu

I want jack and roxy to come into the thread and talk. These 2 are who i'm most interested in hearing from

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:00 pm Maybe I'm wrong on pyxxy

i would support pyxxy chop, i think if he flips town wilgy and roxy are clear. if he's mafia then they should be poe

id only be worried if scotty goes deep and there'd be nobody to push him after i die (if we chop pyxxy and he's town)

i dont think wolf falcon ever endgames here and wins

i acknowledge that this sentiment is a bit selfish of me - ie if we go with my suggestions, there is less room to catch other potential deep wolves at fx like alison camilla since then hypotethically id be offering to chop falcon - but i hope thats alright, im just sharing my reads, obviously everyone free to vote whoever they want, hopefully im not forceful as i dont like that : )

Doc on you tonight so you live 2 days to sell us on your scotty SR

I will take it seriously. I respect your reads

I think im still staying on falcon.

Rondo was town, POE (improves your reads since you have green check on a POE member - yourself) and adamant he was mafia

I think Rondo has decent reads

I was already sus of falcon

Knowing if d2 was V/V or W/V is important

Falcon just seems like the optimal path... the only counterargument is his reverse volume meta which can be broken like we saw with porscha's own volume meta

Nah probably not seems troll... maybe in f5 or f3

Do we have to consider camilla scum worlds if falcon is maf

Actually the angleshoot that scotty had tmi on the game not being flipless is intriguing... I totally assumed it was until I saw zenons flip

Maybe I'm wrong on pyxxy

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:04 pm im gonna make the educated assumption that mafia figured out zenon was cop before day 2 ended

because to me she was very obviously the cop. and i wasn't even looking to pr hunt. all info i had was knowing im town, and reading her posts

the mafia, also knowing im town, and also reading her posts, and having a much stronger desire to pr hunt - thats likely gonna lead to them figuring out shes cop somewhere around d2. and therefore they'd figure out im her n1 peek

so im gonna give roxy more town points for ending up voting for me. scum just doesnt do that. not likely to

i also wanna give falcon town points for that. for scumreading me towards the end

Why does mafia refrain from pushing their PR read? They can park on someone they know won't go over, go to sleep, and let town exe someone else while their hands are kept clean. Easy enough to move off Zenon and onto someone like Rondo if a mafia's life is in danger.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:53 pm i do think the people pushing zenon yesterday are more likely to be town. u dont identify the cop as mafia and then push him. u certainly could, but most people wouldnt

Zenon is a she/her iirc

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:39 pm falcon and Wilgy/Jack is my solve probably.

do falcon and wilgy/prince j identify zenon as the cop?

i think that points to at least 1 of the mafia paying attention

Wilgy feels like he's paying attention. His responses have shown some attention to detail.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:58 pm can i ask you to go over why do you townread scotty again? @Camilla @Alison

Sorry, didn't see this. The short answer is that I think he has been townie on play. His tone has been fine, he feels kinda lonely in the thread, and I get pretty strong "just doing my own thing" vibes.

I'm not lock clearing him or anything but he doesn't feel like he has an agenda and I'm not gonna exe someone with fine posts when there's 3 afks

Very interested in what Roxy will say now that both of her top scumreads are confirmed town

Do you have any concrete reasons for suspecting Scotty beyond "too townie to be town"?

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

falcon and Wilgy/Jack is my solve probably. Would fit everything that's happened this game.

Don't really think last EOD was V/V, the sudden shift onto Rondo was weird (he was in POE so not a total flash wagon but it was odd that there was a sudden push there when most people were content to sit on falcon before)

I actually came into today planning to vote falcon and turbo Zenon if he flipped mafia but that's evidently not gonna happen. Still down for the falcon vote. His wagon is at least 3/4 pure and could be 4/4 if my read on pyxxy is right. Don't think his EOD was townie at all.

I have actually kinda liked wilgys posting today it felt lonely

But we'll figure him out after the main poe i guess

I still think pyxxy is townie

It could be wilgy. Maybe he just didnt take credit for the bus because he was genuinely afk and didnt feel like playing

I started off suspecting zenon but dont think shes the right kill d2, even if shes mafia shes townsiding right now and has a partner to be caught

roxy is bleeding town even if her reads/playstyle are questionable

Falcon and rondo have no reason to be trusted

Prince J has the "porscha would have pinged him to play in wolf chat" but maybe he was genuinely busy IRL and couldnt regardless

Just kill in one of these ig

I'm tired and sick and distracted for IRL reasons so I won't post by post react but my general sentiment upon reading is that people are putting on tinfoil hats way too quickly after a d1 pelt

Porscha was caught early and went down without a fight. She complained about afks. The mafia team is prolly not in control and likely have at least one if not two passive players in it.

Everyone has different views on who to trust but thats fine. Just look at the people with no compelling reasons to trust them and play a straight poe game. Wagoning people like tutuu is trolling hard

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 2:37 pm .......D1.......poll.......



.......atm.......my solve.......is.....................scotty+tutuu.......

..............I.......await.....................Scotty

What makes you think it's Scotty?