The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:31 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 pm The man is delusional.

Oh, this is fun...

So like... I'm not doing this tactically to get townread... I'm just delusional...

Meaning I'm not wolf... because if you thought I was wolf here, you'd never think I was delusional, you'd think I was trying to push myself into a towncore in order to win.

LC slam diddly dunk! TMI on Mac, can't deal with obvtown Seanzie.

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm also it's not a nitpick if you're pushing me because "regardless of whether creature is scum or town, you reading him in your townier group is always malicious" to call that out as being gross

he can either be one or the other and you choosing to always ascribe that to pointing towards me being evil is senseless at best and outright malicious itself at worst

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:20 pm also I sympathize with Creature's thoughts about the gamestate and therefore it's more likely imo we're on the same team

also it can't both be a teammate interaction AND too much info - he's either exactly scum or exactly town, there is no in-between

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:51 pm if the rest of y'all wanna fight me on LC that's fine but I'd imagine somebody under pressure to perform from just having won a scum game that surprised everyone would probably feel a bit more... crafted? specific? in their posting

NAA made me

and after last game I am hesitant to give you too much cred sorry not sorry (although do feel free to elaborate on what makes you obvtown, by all means :P)

I took a "I'm going to prove you wrong for doubting my read and lock Mac town in response to make myself look good by correctly reading him after 5 posts" approach.

In terms of the stuff talking to Seanzie...that's again me deciding to become arrogant and double down on someone doubting my read ability, and since it's Mac I figured I can make reading him look easy.

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:03 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:41 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:26 pm This game is so disappointing

Yeah, the game has actually been very civil, so this seems weird to me... Though, it also seems genuine to me, so that's also weird.

Uncivil games can be fun sometimes. This game, on the other hand, feels to have progressed so slowly.

Also who tf had falcon and me as wolves because they townread everybody else? Feels so weird to have that many townreads atp.

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:07 pm no wait it clearly is and I'm dumb for thinking you didn't think it was bs aren't I

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:09 pm putting that ploy aside

if it helps you any NAA I am in fact town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Why do you think I'm town?

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:29 am It's a matter of how people think, really

If you're gathering early votes as mafia in a game with no PRs in particular I'm sure the very last thing you want is to avoid giving people a fact that may help to lower their suspicion of you. Ergo, I would have found NAA not doing that to have been quite towny.

Basically, it's not a matter of me thinking he'd not have an explanation for why he voted me, but instead just the fact that if he chose to essentially redirect pressure on himself into positive force elsewhere without including a semi-relevant fact in his defense that doesn't actually do anything to help determine anyone's alignment, it would be indicative to me of a focus on solving over self-defense at a time when that would conventionally be completely unnecessary to go out of your way to project.

Considering he did not, and so I have not made any definitive statements on his alignment, I'm confused what you're all up in arms about - even if you disagree with my logic there, I'm not using it to make any actual reads in this game at the moment lol

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:48 am By typical NAA bullshit I assume you mean the naked voting. Why is NAA on his typical NAA bullshit as town and not scum? He intentionally 0 posted the entire D1 of BTAS as wolf, so he definitely does weird shit as mafia too.

Why is "pointing out a single post and outing a read based on it" a thing Mac does as scum when it's one of the most common behaviors by any player in any game?

You're pulling on a lot of meta arguments here but none of them make any sense which makes me think you are mafia trying to replicate your town game of using meta to read people. The "I can read Mac after 5 posts" stuff in particular felt particularly performative (which you have admitted it was in #89) and looked more like a shallow attempt at replicating your usual meta shields on people except without the substance to back it up. Not a fan of you walking it back when pressed about it either, when town LC is stubborn about his meta reads.

I mean you're not wrong on those two being meta reads.

NAA did 0 post as mafia D1, but he also nearly 0 posted in Team Fortress Mafia...so that measurement is off the table.
His naked voting can go either way, I felt like him saying he was voting Mac first before naked voting Fext was on brand with something he'd just do as town as a sort of "I could care less about what everyone is thinking about what I'm doing" way at the time.

Mac as I said was towny stuff for him scumreading me early because of him not wanting me to fool him again in a small game, and could see him doing what he's doing to pressure me and see what I'm going to do in response.

However it popped into my mind when I read your post for some reason that when Alexa was under the Blaze account she did her giant meta-case on Mac and talked about one of the things he does as scum is quote a few random posts, slap a read on them, 1 post at a time, vote someone, and then disappear.

So that made me walk back my townread on Mac.


In terms of the stuff talking to Seanzie...that's again me deciding to become arrogant and double down on someone doubting my read ability, and since it's Mac I figured I can make reading him look easy.
Yes I know Mac had 2 insane scum games that he won just recently, he can still get lazy and decide to fuck around and open wolf, especially since fatigue from too many wolf rands can be a thing and it could lead to polarizing by circumstance.

Which I already stated I walked it back.

quote a few random posts, slap a read on them, 1 post at a time, vote someone, and then disappear

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:31 am Instincts telling me Falcon and Creature are mafia but that feels too easy. Have to be misclearing someone.

Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:55 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:52 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:34 pm @NotAnAxehole can you come say why you're voting Fext?

I was voting Mac before Fext posted if that helps.

can confirm

was wondering if you'd say this

would have found it really towny if you did not but I don't necessarily think it's not towny to have said it (since it is, in fact, what happened)

Now tell me partner, what would've you thought had our ol'pal NAA didn't say nothin?

well it wasn't that he wouldn't say anything

it was a matter of what he chose to say

ceding to a defense of fact is easy for anybody to do

had he instead gone on the offense and explained only why he voted me with no mention of his prior vote I would have to believe that kind of motivation to push at the expense of a perfectly valid factual defense would come from town

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.

You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?

Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.