The Syndicate

Wisp is the opposite of abrasive.

Wisp is like, someone who struggles to handle people being abrasive towards them.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:25 am Just going to put it out there:
Anyone who spends time going "No way I'd be paired with x" isn't going to get anywhere with me just because self-meta is a slippery slope.

Prove your innocence with your solving of the gamestate and alignments.

I am not trying to convince you. I think many other players in this game will be receptive to my arguments.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:22 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:21 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:20 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:15 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.

Wisp and Gira are both hard spewed not partnered with me from D1. Miz has been consistently siding against me.

Lmao.

You mean from the pushes on Wisp or Gira?

Remind me how you pushed me on JOATED d1 and how that's any different.

No it's from the way they went on hard tilt when I pushed them and blasted emotion everywhere

Gav is not a real person. I randed hated townie and he is simply there to help implement my role.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:20 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:15 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.

Wisp and Gira are both hard spewed not partnered with me from D1. Miz has been consistently siding against me.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:18 am town cred won't do her any good against Arrow that's for sure

What is Arrow

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:15 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

why aren't you with Ender

I am voting him and not you when I could easily get you killed if I was scum with ender

I don't think you can really hold a town perspective considering I could just not claim if you were town and push you instead, with people like gavial etc wanting you dead

I mean, maybe, but also you bussing isn't that unlikely because you need town cred anyways as a wolf

It's an unnecessary bus because there would be zero accountability if I sided with Ender. I already scumread you and townread him from yesterday, and people like Gavial are always willing to vote there to help me out.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:11 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

why aren't you with Ender

I am voting him and not you when I could easily get you killed if I was scum with ender

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:07 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:04 am fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

I guess if I have to be an ender antagonist peter is the best option

Like I dont want to be bonzo or bernard

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:58 pm Gav can be Valentine for this game because she was always the endless supporter for Ender after Battle/Command School.

Why not Alai

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:55 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:53 pm man the ender series was good, thank god it was written by hatsune miku instead of some weirdo that posts homophobic propaganda

yeah now I want to read it again

Have you read the shadow books

yeah, i enjoyed the weird alien colony sequels more than shadow though

idk if I read that one

I liked the book where they were all living on earth fighting wars against each other doe, the ones after were okay

My favorite in the series is xenocide though

The virlomi stuff was good. One thing I liked about shadow was that bean showed mercy to achilles and it ended up biting him in the ass, he's like the opposite of ender in that aspect. It would be way better than if bean were to just kill achilles immediately

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 pm Well idk about either of those choices.

Tess can be Bonzo and Alison can be Peter, because both of those were early antagonists.

I am clearly not peter, wtf?

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:53 pm man the ender series was good, thank god it was written by hatsune miku instead of some weirdo that posts homophobic propaganda

yeah now I want to read it again

Have you read the shadow books

yeah, i enjoyed the weird alien colony sequels more than shadow though

man the ender series was good, thank god it was written by hatsune miku instead of some weirdo that posts homophobic propaganda

I think bean is smart in a different way than I am

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:51 pm maybe bean @Alison

though Graff can work

Who am I

easy valentine

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:47 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:47 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:45 pm tess who tf is bonzo and why r u getting naked with ender in a shower

Ender Wiggin's bully

They got naked in the shower cause idk he Bonzo ganked em in the bathroom

can i be ender instead of ender

ender kills bonzo with his bare hands

Im colonel graff imo

which ender's game character do you think I am tess

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:40 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:38 pm Anyway [VOTE: EnderWigging] aubergine

Am I

Wigging

You out?

=P

this is just like when Bonzo got naked with Ender in the shower

Am i a vicious bully who gets murdered by a 6 year old now

I don't regard killing a townie as a failure if I think killing that townie moved me towards my win condition though. That's helping the town; it would be a failure NOT to kill them.

Anyway [VOTE: EnderWigging] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:28 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:24 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?

I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf

It was definitely correct to kill LC there, I saw him flip town and still had no regrets. When I tdome a town I usually regret it (Overtime, Mountaintop) but here I don't at all.

why not?

Because he was trolling the thread like crazy? Every page was just him AtEing and yelling, he hard griefed EOD1 as a townie, etc. He also said stuff that implied scum TMI twice for no reason.

He contributed nothing to the town and was an actively hostile and malignant force towards us. After the way D1 went I knew he had to go and D2 sealed the deal.

It's on town to find other town, even town that don't act like town.

Unless someone is actively trying to be flipped (which LC wasn't) then for them to be flipped town players have to make a mistake.

I will always believe it's the duty of the people on town side to get it right.

A lot of people think like that.

As for me, I see my job as being to kill all the scum, even if I have to wade through a mountain of townie corpses. I don't get points for sweeping the game vs winning at f3, so I'll never hesitate to kill someone if it brings me closer to my goal no matter their alignment.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:25 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:24 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?

I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf

It was definitely correct to kill LC there, I saw him flip town and still had no regrets. When I tdome a town I usually regret it (Overtime, Mountaintop) but here I don't at all.

why not?

Because he was trolling the thread like crazy? Every page was just him AtEing and yelling, he hard griefed EOD1 as a townie, etc. He also said stuff that implied scum TMI twice for no reason.

He contributed nothing to the town and was an actively hostile and malignant force towards us. After the way D1 went I knew he had to go and D2 sealed the deal.

Mechanically speaking if a cop claims a guilty on someone and that person CCs cop then the CCer is most likely mafia.

I am leaning towards voting Ender here.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:23 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:21 pm For people on this site who have tones of experience with Alison. I know she is aggressive player, but how common is it to just tunnel indefinitely based on what she perceives to be wolfy, while ignoring anything that might make them townie?

I don't recall her having done that as a wolf, and it's not particularly common for her as town but does happen. She's told me before she used to do it more often because of things like, she thinks if she backs out of the dome it'll look wolfy, she doesn't want to admit she was wrong after doming someone, etc, which I can especially see why she would get conf biased against BK considering well, he pretty much was doing nothing but AtEing and calling her a wolf

It was definitely correct to kill LC there, I saw him flip town and still had no regrets. When I tdome a town I usually regret it (Overtime, Mountaintop) but here I don't at all.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:54 pm Btw I'm gonna focus on trying to sort the rest of the game when I get home. I'm not going to bother trying to defend myself/bury Tess because if you guys think coffee-less scum!Ender actually didn't just snap-cc Wilgy who he reckons he can beat in a cc battle and instead picks hard mode vs Tess then idk what to tell you.

Bit of a coincidence that scum Tess outing to bury a town for no reason happened to hit the two exact PRs, isn't it?

Especially when that world, from her pov, most likely leads to Wilgy being buried and her trading 1 for 1 for him?

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:17 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Point taken, I would check someone who I'm confident about their alignment, who may or might not die, which would give me a clear check

You are supposed to check two people who are individually likely to be scum but who cannot be scum together. Either you clear two POE or you find a mafia.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:28 pm Difference between Dr Wilgy and Tess which is useless at this point.

lol

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:30 pm I was gonna offer to fall on my sword today and then y'all can just burn the POE from the knowledge LC and I are T/T, but since Tess has a check that works too

why would you have done that

it would be lylo tomorrow you realize

I definitely don't want to be around in LyLo with this much suspicion on me

Assuming Wilgy is the scum in that duo I find it exceedingly likely that his partners are in Gira/Mizery/Wisp.

I was gonna offer to fall on my sword today and then y'all can just burn the POE from the knowledge LC and I are T/T, but since Tess has a check that works too

I have no regrets about killing LC lol

Yeah you're right, everyone on this site has a secret vendetta against you and have organized an illegal out of game conspiracy to scumread you no matter what you do in every game. That's a far more likely possibility than you just not knowing how to be townie.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:50 pm Just in case this somehow gets hammered, I forgot to add, do not let Tess go under the radar

I forget their name originally

But Tess/wigly/misery/Gira
Has a very high chance of having maybe even two wolves of both Alice and LC are town

In that world there is most likely 2-3 wolves in this POE, yes.

I don't recommend living in it until you prove that both of us are town by force though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:49 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:45 pm Oh and just to make it clear I had your death fixed in my mind the moment I entered D2. I have never allowed players to get away with the stunt you tried to pull at EOD and I never will. I roasted the players of Just Robbed A Bank to a crisp for letting wolves get away with that, and I don't intend to make the same mistake. The nanook NK and your immediate self-destruction was the cherry on top.

You literally fucking taught me that staying off wagon at EOD is scummy as hell. What kind of hypocritical bullshit is this?

Yeah staying off wagon at EOD is scummy as hell.

You stayed off wagon at EOD.

Therefore you did something that is scummy as hell.

Therefore I will not rest until you are voted out.

QED.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:44 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:41 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:35 pm LC,

Why haven't you done more to try to figure out who else might be wolfing with Alison? It seems like you should be given how confident you are that she's wolfing.

Because I'm fucking pissed off and I want to fucking bury Alison for this shit.

You don't fucking claim someone to be outed wolf, say that they're in anti-spew mode, to ignore EVERYTHING I SAY, and point blank refuse to actually evaluate me or ask me questions of what I'm doing to figure me out.

Why would you be pissed off that a wolf is trying to get you killed? That's part of the game, there's no reason to take it personally if you genuinely think someone is on the opposite team.

You might be pissed off if a townie caught you for the wrong reasons though. :P

No I'm pissed off because no one is even thinking that I'm town here because of your bullshit. I've been getting this shit every fucking game on this site

If this is how you scumhunt, just sheep someone and refuse to actually evaluate or have a mind of your own, then holy fucking shit

Our wagons have been extremely close and multiple people are voicing the thought that you might be town, even those who are voting against you lol.

This "nobody is thinking that I'm town" stuff is just total nonsense.

Oh and just to make it clear I had your death fixed in my mind the moment I entered D2. I have never allowed players to get away with the stunt you tried to pull at EOD and I never will. I roasted the players of Just Robbed A Bank to a crisp for letting wolves get away with that, and I don't intend to make the same mistake. The nanook NK and your immediate self-destruction was the cherry on top.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:41 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:35 pm LC,

Why haven't you done more to try to figure out who else might be wolfing with Alison? It seems like you should be given how confident you are that she's wolfing.

Because I'm fucking pissed off and I want to fucking bury Alison for this shit.

You don't fucking claim someone to be outed wolf, say that they're in anti-spew mode, to ignore EVERYTHING I SAY, and point blank refuse to actually evaluate me or ask me questions of what I'm doing to figure me out.

Why would you be pissed off that a wolf is trying to get you killed? That's part of the game, there's no reason to take it personally if you genuinely think someone is on the opposite team.

You might be pissed off if a townie caught you for the wrong reasons though. :P

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:40 pm @Alison
My brain says vote Tess here btw

I've already explained why that is not a logical decision. I'm not saying it's wrong to scumread Tess; and if you believe that LC and I are T/T then it is perfectly logical to scumread her. But you aren't going to be able to get the votes on her, and leaving me and LC to fight another day is only going to tear the town apart.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:38 pm I'll say this, if LC is Red, then they've completely ruined themselves for future games if they use AtE ever again. I'm town reading them

Oh yeah this is a super town thing to say lol.

I'd towncore falcon and if they're snowing me under they deserve the win.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:37 pm Idk why u think it always points to t/t

It isn't ironclad evidence, but it's certainly evidence for that view.

My general view on the idea floating around and LC and I are T/T is that even if you think it's true, you should act like it's not true.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:32 pm Oh yeah and I just want to say that if you care about threadstate reads at all, the constant bouncing back and forth between my wagon and LC's points away from us being T/T. It points less towards scum who are happy and contented that a town is dying today no matter what (unless the team is like... Mizery/Gira/Wilgy or something), and more towards genuine uncertainty and them torn being wanting to protect their buddy but not wanting to look bad.

Yes make more shit up Alison. That's all you're doing.

I haven't made up anything this game. You just can't refute my points so you pretend I'm lying about them instead.

This very post is Exhibit A. You've called me scum the entire day phase, but lash out at me when I point out that there's probably one scum between the two of us. I'd think someone who's genuinely convinced that I'm scum would agree with that sentiment, since it matches their reads. Either you're just on "discredit everything Alison says" mode, or you genuinely want this tdome to go unresolved. Both are scummy.

Oh yeah and I just want to say that if you care about threadstate reads at all, the constant bouncing back and forth between my wagon and LC's points away from us being T/T. It points less towards scum who are happy and contented that a town is dying today no matter what (unless the team is like... Mizery/Gira/Wilgy or something), and more towards genuine uncertainty and them torn being wanting to protect their buddy but not wanting to look bad.

I'm gonna go play games. My vote won't change and I've already said all I need to say. See you.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:12 pm @Alison
I'm honestly dying inside right now, my heart is telling me your both town, but my gut is telling me that I should assume your not bad enough as a wolf to play this way, nor bad enough that I doubt you end up hard pushing town me, and then town LC

Don't trust either your heart or your gut. Trust your brain.

Oh yeah Wilgy is acting weird as shit. I don't think he's a hard busser so he probably looks good if LC flips red though. HIs votes in general have been pretty ok.

Just slap him at the top POE or something and re-eval if the obvious bad voters aren't scum.