The Syndicate

Man 112 is trending down now.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:06 pm don't scum have fake claims? why are people town because they claimed roles? aren't they more likely scum if they claim early?

Because the way they go about claiming them is townie.

Also I don't think tree stump is a likely fakeclaim to give to a mafia.

Ender's role will be proven once we flip Wilgy red of course. And he has generally been very genuine about the way he went about claiming it. Everyone else is cleared by mech.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:55 pm It doesn't matter, nobody is gonna want to kill him and then we're gonna get to endgame and either people will collectively shrug and kill epi then pat themselves on the back as if they're geniuses and he was hard to catch...or they won't kill him and say in post how it was impossible to catch him

Why are you so sure he's scum?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:53 pm Also Epi has breadcrumbed like 2 other roles already. So I'm not a lock on this day vig thing

Someone dayvigged Axe.

Epi claimed he did.

If he lied, the real dayvig will counterclaim.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:52 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:37 pm

I did. Good times.
Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.
This is a laughably bad take
Axe is negative util town.

Even if you disagree with me on that, Epi could have easily shot claimed PR, town IC, town leader, whatever, with zero accountability. Why use it on Axe halfway through D1?
He doesn't like axe and axe threatened him with a night shot
You are saying Epi is scum dayvig who shot Axe for threatening to shoot him?
As someone who's played alot with Epi, I could totally see scum or civ epi day vigging.

ok.

what has epi's voting record been like?

I dunno, even assuming the scum had zero ways to stop an Axe vig shot AND Epi believed the threat... it's still giving up an incredibly valuable resource over a baseless threat.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:41 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:20 pm Did you dayvig Axe?
I did. Good times.
Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.
This is a laughably bad take
Axe is negative util town.

Even if you disagree with me on that, Epi could have easily shot claimed PR, town IC, town leader, whatever, with zero accountability. Why use it on Axe halfway through D1?
He doesn't like axe and axe threatened him with a night shot

You are saying Epi is scum dayvig who shot Axe for threatening to shoot him?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm @Alison Why is 112 town?

I've had my POE on them for a while and if there's a good reason to save myself from that tunnel I'd like to.

Not a strong read. Townlean.

She has history with Mac and the way she approached him seemed colored by that history in a way that is townie. There was a touch of townie entitlement when she named herself one of the only people in the thread who's doing anything. I also think that scum is less likely to seriously push on Mac early on when he is town. Especially in a role madness game. You never know when he might whip out a gun and shoot you. Or confirm himself IC like he did. He is a player who can turn the thread against you quick. It's playing with fire and you are not very likely to be able to misexe him anyway.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:20 pm Did you dayvig Axe?
I did. Good times.
Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.
This is a laughably bad take

Axe is negative util town.

Even if you disagree with me on that, Epi could have easily shot claimed PR, town IC, town leader, whatever, with zero accountability. Why use it on Axe halfway through D1?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:37 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:20 pm Did you dayvig Axe?
I did. Good times.

Ok.

I don't think you would as scum dayvig, so.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:36 pm My action can, through a certain set of circumstances, block the mafia kill.

If my circumstances were met then exactly Dr Wilgy was mafia.

[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Roleblocker was on Urist. Doctor was roleblocked.

Therefore Ender blocked the kill. Therefore Wilgy is mafia.

My Wilgy read was right. Mwahaha.

We should still try to minimize the amount of claims we do though. Just say who you red checked Ender.

We might all die in soup kill tonight but we're past that point so I'm just going to play like it won't happen since I can't play around it.

Who was the one who pooh-poohed my Ender tone read? Ha.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:29 pm I shot the sheriff stopped the nightkill!

I think.

I know my action was successful and with Doc (Urist) unsuccessful it highly suggests I was the one who did it.

Unless someone else did something else which is highly possible.

BUT if I did then I know the identity of one scum. I will not confirm who it is until later today for thread health purposes.

Okay good so Urist is town after all.

Rest in peace mafia.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:04 pm It is at the very least consistent with tutuu's previous behavior that she will read people town for being so outrageously wolfy she can't believe a real wolf would act like that. I don't agree with the read but it is something she does as town. So it explains her dismissing BoSyn scumreads and townreading Made before his tree stump claim.
She scumread me tho. Her thoughts were that DK and I could be scum together, but decided against that when questioned by Nanook at EOD day 2, but then started today voting me.

I meant her read that your immortality claim was too absurd to come from scum.

I thought it may be TMI but she does have a track record of making reads like that.

It is just a note about her meta. It is a reason not to especially scumread her for making TWTBAW reads. It does not clear her. She is still POE.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:06 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:58 pm Since when does contrarian jester Rondo who votes himself suspect someone just because the ICs say so?
IC?

Confirmed town. Mac and Scotty.

It is at the very least consistent with tutuu's previous behavior that she will read people town for being so outrageously wolfy she can't believe a real wolf would act like that. I don't agree with the read but it is something she does as town. So it explains her dismissing BoSyn scumreads and townreading Made before his tree stump claim.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:47 pm @tutuu Why did you throw away scum reads on BoSyn?
i thought that the way syn was playing was too ridiculous for scum

he became top wagon, was asked for reads, his response was "i've got none lol", he voted someone, was asked why, his response was "i looked at the poll and their name was closest to mine lol", and finally he saw he was the top wagon at eod, he said "oh maybe i should read back" but he never did and never self-pressed

TWTBAW is not a valid read.

@EnderWiggin Your take on Rondo?

Since when does contrarian jester Rondo who votes himself suspect someone just because the ICs say so?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:39 pm Wilgy is probably outed scum because dyachei and DkKoba got mischopped over him. In what world does that happen if Wilgy is town?
I wanted Wilgy yesterday.

If you pushed hard enough for it you get town points if Wilgy is scum.

Mafia is most likely in shambles right now. Their kill got stopped and an important misexe, Made, has just made a very townie roleclaim. This is a good chance to halt their momentum after a bad D1 and D2 and turn the tides on mafia. Put in effort into your solving today.

@tutuu Why did you throw away scum reads on BoSyn?

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:39 pm Uh huh. Well show me Mac's townread on you then.

Give me the bullet point rundown on the case against BoSyn.
Day 1 they were a wagon, 2 wagons flipped town, the other 2 are sig and bosyn . Day 2 they were slanky and the wagons were t/t.

That's all I got detailwise off the top, but Bo shouldn't be a long iso. Syn was bad for me off vibes. Early game, a bunch of town were just shooting the breeze, vibing, chilling, the works. Syn was vibing too, but when things starting going towards game related stuff, his transition felt the roughest. Obviously, that's just a tone thing.... if you wanna build more off of that, Tutuu at the beginning of day 2 lead thread to the direction that result in the t/t wagon we saw at the eod day 2, and one of here first post was to throw away scum reads on sig and Bosyn. With that we have association between BoSyn and Tutuu so things that look scummy for her add to scummy looks for Bosyn.

I think you are an underrated town player and I don't think town should be D1ing you as often as they do. Your reads have been pretty good in the games I've observed and I would be happy to lend credence and weight to your opinion if you think BoSyn has bad vibes or transitions.

TSP + sig is a possible world. There are enough other scummy people without claimed greenchecks on them that I would prefer to look further into those slots before looking at TSP + sig worlds. If those forays don't pan out, TSP and sig come back into the limelight.

I would actually be interested at looking at worlds where TSP is scum and sig is town. Probably have to check TSP's iso to see how much he tried to get towncred off his check, whether he tried to pocket sig, etc.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:39 pm Uh huh. Well show me Mac's townread on you then.

Give me the bullet point rundown on the case against BoSyn.
why wouldnt you iso your own slot?

Because I want to know what you, specifically, would respond with if pressed as to what Mac's townread on you constituted of.

Uh huh. Well show me Mac's townread on you then.

Give me the bullet point rundown on the case against BoSyn.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:34 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:33 pm Rondo taking his vote off me when I attacked him for it is scummy. In Batman he didn't give a fuck about being voted, and when he got voted out he ended with his vote on himself and his last post was "ignore everything I said I was just bullshitting". And he was town.

Now he gets skittish when he gets pressure and the tone of his "eh I'm going to die" seems resigned and disappointed rather than yolo which is what he does as town. Mac thought he was scummy too. And there is the "maybe the IC is actually mafia" crap which I struggle to believe is real.

Rondo definitely POE. Will look for more suspects today.
In batman you didnt sub in half way through into a slot who I could play with and scum read me for playing with them. completely different scenario. You are town leader you calling to lynch me is something that will happen

Show me where Mac townread you and his reasoning. If it's good I'll sheep him. Else you go into the POE for clowning around all day playing up your meme status and acting like a jester while people are trying to solve.

I think 112 is town.

Rondo taking his vote off me when I attacked him for it is scummy. In Batman he didn't give a fuck about being voted, and when he got voted out he ended with his vote on himself and his last post was "ignore everything I said I was just bullshitting". And he was town.

Now he gets skittish when he gets pressure and the tone of his "eh I'm going to die" seems resigned and disappointed rather than yolo which is what he does as town. Mac thought he was scummy too. And there is the "maybe the IC is actually mafia" crap which I struggle to believe is real.

Rondo definitely POE. Will look for more suspects today.

I am probably clearing Urist too fast.

I do think being insistent on wanting Epi dead and repeating it even after he's "outed" is kinda townie.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:26 pm So I read the receipts. Posting gifs of some random Marvel character to prepare a fake soft of tree stump in a Witcher themed game is something I don't think Made would do as scum. The softs were also persistent and obvious enough that I don't think it was him just grabbing some vague BS and claiming it was a soft. The "let me die so we can solve the game off my flip" approach is something I have seen him do as town as well.

I believe Made's tree stump claim and since I think tree stump is usually town this means Made is probably town and we should look at the wagons with the knowledge that koba/Made were both town.

tutuu's progression on Made is kinda sketchy given that. She is happy to sheep me on him at first but then suddenly expresses cold feet and says Made is town before he clarifies he is tree stump. Could be TMI/wanting to distance herself from the wagon while happily sheeping me for a free misexe at first.

Urist is more likely town since his doc claim seems unlikely to come from mafia because it limits his options and I think it will be obvious he isn't a doc sooner or later if he is lying. Going to the effort of drumming up a CFD seems weird when the wagons are T/T as well especially since you know you will take heat off it. Nanook's posting today has been a little townie and he has the unnecessary CFD to his credit I suppose.
scum claims doctors to fish for a counterclaim. It's not unheard of, Michelle has done the same exact thing in Spiderman.

Actually you're right maybe Urist has just given up and decided to claim Doctor to draw out a PR claim.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:25 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:35 pm My first thought is they messed up on a soup kill
There's usually a cost to failing a soup kill so no.

Why would you go to this?

A cost such as not having an NK for that night, perhaps?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:24 pm Alison read through my ISO. I have been sheeping mac's vote since he claimed why would I want to off you?

I am voting you because you have been using your memes/jokes as an excuse to behave in blatantly disruptive and anti-town ways. You are acting like a jester and since I don't think you are actually a jester the next most likely possibility is that you are mafia trying to ride TWTBAW reads by acting like a jester.

So I read the receipts. Posting gifs of some random Marvel character to prepare a fake soft of tree stump in a Witcher themed game is something I don't think Made would do as scum. The softs were also persistent and obvious enough that I don't think it was him just grabbing some vague BS and claiming it was a soft. The "let me die so we can solve the game off my flip" approach is something I have seen him do as town as well.

I believe Made's tree stump claim and since I think tree stump is usually town this means Made is probably town and we should look at the wagons with the knowledge that koba/Made were both town.

tutuu's progression on Made is kinda sketchy given that. She is happy to sheep me on him at first but then suddenly expresses cold feet and says Made is town before he clarifies he is tree stump. Could be TMI/wanting to distance herself from the wagon while happily sheeping me for a free misexe at first.

Urist is more likely town since his doc claim seems unlikely to come from mafia because it limits his options and I think it will be obvious he isn't a doc sooner or later if he is lying. Going to the effort of drumming up a CFD seems weird when the wagons are T/T as well especially since you know you will take heat off it. Nanook's posting today has been a little townie and he has the unnecessary CFD to his credit I suppose.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:21 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:19 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 pm But i'm just going to stay on epi or tutuu forever until either they're dead or i am
I am not voting Epi unless there is a dayvig counterclaim.
So you think that the evil witch hunter flavoured dayvig is a town vig when town has a separate dayvig
Alright

I can buy that there's a dayvig and a desperado in the same game yes.

I also don't think scum dayvig Epi blasts Axe D1 and then claims/softs it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:20 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
:think:

[VOTE: Urist ] aubergine
You forgot to vote in the poll.
thanks, busy day

I see you are now voting me.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Urist and Made might both be town. Let's vote Rondo off.

@Made Is the character you're referring to the guy in the gifs? Which character is it? I want to look through the wiki and see if it matches up.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 pm But i'm just going to stay on epi or tutuu forever until either they're dead or i am

I am not voting Epi unless there is a dayvig counterclaim.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:15 pm I'm just gonna claim because i stopped giving a fuck a long time ago. I'm a straightup doctor and I protected ted n1 and scotty n2. If someone else could have prevented the kill they should claim now bc they are probably the reason.

Interesting claim.

Kind of believable because it restricts your options even more. Claiming doctor means you can't turn around and say "hey, the doctor must have protected the mafia NK, the roleblock on me wasn't why there was no kill".

But it does open up the question, if you are town doctor why was there no kill? Roleblocker was on you; you didn't heal anyone because you were roleblocked. I doubt there are that many ways for town to stop the NK.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:02 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Yes i'm playing 11d chess and claimed being rb'd after carrying the kill
Plus town has a second rb for some reason good thinking scotty
Point 1) is worthless to me. If you kept quiet about it the real roleblocker would immediately out you. Your only hope is to do what a townie would do and claim it. Therefore you would claim rb'd as either mafia or town.

Point 2) is eh. Could be a jailkeeper. Could be a JOAT with a single roleblock. Could be some weird mech shit. We have someone claiming to be literally unkillable, why can't we have 2 roleblockers?
So technically all i know is that my action was not successful. I'm assuming blocked for no real reason tbh since it is role madness and maybe the person I targeted was just actionimmune.

If I were mafia carrying the kill then I would have no reason to claim; the kill could have been prevented in any number of ways and there would be no reason to draw attention to myself.

There is 0 chance a roleblocker who got a block off doesn't claim in this situation lol. And then you get turbo'd if you kept mum about the rb.

Who did your target with your ability?

Are blocks loud this game? Did Poison get an explicit message saying she was blocked or did her action just quietly fail?

Actually one thing that gives credibility to Made's role was that he misrepresented it as immortality when it was very clearly a tree stump. And he didn't know what tree stumps were.

It's weird for Made as mafia to make up a fake claim about being a tree stump and misrep it as immortality; it's more likely that JPIC knew about tree stumps, made a tree stump role, and gave it to Made who misnomered it.

It could be that Made changed his story after backlash but I don't think that's likely. It looked like a genuine misunderstanding. And I don't think a mafia tree stump is likely because it creates perverse incentives (optimal play is to spam the thread and lolcat all game and nobody wants that shit).

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
:think:

[VOTE: Urist ] aubergine

You forgot to vote in the poll.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:08 pm https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

Is your role functionally identical to this?

As in, you become a tree stump after dying?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

Is your role functionally identical to this?

Show me the receipts of you softing your role as well as you setting up town to get maximum information from your "exe".

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:53 pm Okay, so I softed my role enough times this game so I'll just say it straight, I can't die. My role is that I can't died. I can't be vigged, I can't be nk, I can't be voted out. My plan, my hope was that me dying yesterday would set up thread where Michelle has flipped, so no question mark there, I flip so no question mark here, and DK could be solved based on how my wagon was handled. Basically voting me is a slightly worse No yeet

I think the fact that tutuu is voting me here is horseshit considering she said that I'm scum if DK is scum.

also Hi Alison
What nonsense is this

How would you die/flip if your role is that you can't die? I "die", scum gets closer to partiality, and I lose my vote, but I can't be removed from thread

Why the hell are you trying to set up town for a "slightly worse no yeet" rather than just voting out mafia?I'm not, but it be like that sometimes. I figured I was going to get mislynched tomorrow so I tried to get information out of it...then i didn't die.

This role seems like complete bullcrap. I say we test it.
I say we don't. Questions answered in pretty colors. Alison, I am not this batshit as scum in this position. Why would I ever need to claim this as scum here

So you're claiming tree stump?

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