The Syndicate

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:10 pm I am pretty sure I am now confirmed town and Martin is also confirmed town.
Sorry why is martin conf?

mech stuff. I won't say too much but you can probably figure it out.

he also buried VC and I have historically had a very very good read on martin and am very convinced he is town here.

1) Mac has a role cop.

2) Vault City needs to get rid of Slaver to win.

3) Mac almost certainly role copped me.

4) If he copped me Slaver he would simply use his town rolecop safe claim and say he copped me as Slaver for a free kill to an enemy + towncred.

People were wondering why Vault City has not killed me since I'm claimed Elridge and this is why.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:09 pmgood morning
Morning Slaver!

Mac spewed me non-Slaver.

I am pretty sure I am now confirmed town and Martin is also confirmed town.

good morning

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:19 am martin putting Poison in his scum pile REEKS of distancing tbqh

Martin is definitely town.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:13 am @Alison it seems like you understand why chop is probably town, why are you voting there?

Because I've mentally checked out of the day and forgot to shift.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:42 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 pm Urist or Alison who should I vote for

Why would you ever vote for Urist?
I trust urist and Allison. I never said I would vote them, I’m asking them.

Out of the whole game my biggest point of clarity is Martin. I trust him the most and I also think he has decent reads as town. There's a lot of reason to suspect the people surrounding me and honestly I plan to just sheep Martin. So my answer is "whoever Martin votes".

all of you are scummy mofos to be honest. with the exception of like urist nook grogu spacedaisy as martin. of those martin is the one I want to sheep the most.

I'm probably going to sheep Martin at EOD.

glgl

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:34 am I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.
Made, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Alison, TonyStarkPrime, KZA
DaughterOfOmega

So you know that TSP, Nanook and KZA are not enclave how?

Also Made was voting there.

Or is it that you meant to say made wagon in which case

MartinGG99, Long Con, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005, MacDougall, Sloonei, Marmot
Dom

So you know LC, Kyle, Jack, Mac, Marmot and Dom are not enclave how?

None of what you just said makes sense wot.

KZA is flipped town.

Nanook red checked a flipped enclave.

If ChopChop is enclave then TSP is not enclave because they've been fighting way too harshly to be buddies.

I still don't understand why there were 0 enclave voters on the chop wagon yesterday if chop is enclave.

Unless the entire enclave team decided to just vote Mac and hope nobody reads the vote count.

fake claiming a message send to pre-emptively excuse tracker/watcher I could see

why does chop send a message to sloonei if town

Actually if Grogu saw *only* Chop visit Sloonei then it hard confirms Chop as mafia.

My guess is that Mac is a tracker, Grogu is a watcher, both of them saw Chop visit Sloonei.

And Chop has already loudly claimed that he visited Sloonei to message him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:03 am I don't have a red check exactly. But I am like 70% sure it equates to a red check. And if you add Grogu's feels to it then...

You should just out your exact role and night result tbh. If Chop is enclave then the enclave probably already have figured out who you are and what result you got. And publicizing it means you have more eyes on your result to check how reliable your result is at proving Chop is scum.

If Mac's red check is correct then his wagon is probably just stacked with enclave members yeah.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:00 am @ChopChop you have hard claimed this role ay?

Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

Yeah, that's his claim.

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:55 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.
they were widely pushing me because chop is his teammate

i assure you of this
So what happened to your Chop townread
a night thing that I ain't gonna say is what happened

okay so you're claiming red check on chop

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.
they were widely pushing me because chop is his teammate

i assure you of this

So what happened to your Chop townread

idt the enclave tracker tracks falcon anyway

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 am

Is the stuff about TSP meant to be a soft/claim that you tracked him? Or is it just a fancy way of saying you're suspicious of him?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:19 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:15 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:07 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:04 am Was omega really a wolf? That’s crazy.
What happened between her getting counterclaimed (or whatever) and her yeet that convinced you DoO was town?
I didn’t understand how the claim meant anything. She always claims other roles and has been town in all the other games. I hate claiming roles but it worked for her before.
It didn’t seem malicious
Lol an unintended advantage of fps.

Spoiler: show
Or you’re just a wolf hee ho

I don't think Grogu is wolf to be honest. His tone is ultra pure, his immediate PR claim is unnecessary if he's a wolf (wolves have fake claims, but the earlier you claim the easier it is to get outed as a liar - see DOOM's early Westin soft for an example of this), and he has shown zero agenda in any of his posts.

@ChopChop Please have the maturity to understand that nobody in the entire fucking game understands your case. Nobody. Your biggest advocate is Martin and even he doesn't fully understand what you mean by signalling or fake cases (he independently suspects TSP, but for completely different reasons - TSP's vote switch to Rej). Your constant complaining about how Tony is sooooooo obvious and soooooo outed is not helping anyone else understand your case and is actively hurtful to thread health. It is a big part of why I voted you yesterday (apart from thinking you're just scum). Now I am moving more towards you being town and so I am asking you, for the third time this day phase, to stop this shit and play like a normal human being.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:58 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:40 pm I kinda feel like this

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'm not settled though as I have more investigation to do.
Why does TSP vote Rej for shitty reasons if he's wolf and Chop is town? Doesn't he just go "nah I'm on Chop"? If Chop goes through he gets rid of the person scumreading him the most and nobody's gonna blame him for voting Chop - if Rej goes through, Rej flips town and Tony shrugs his shoulders and goes "see? I told you Chop was a better exe" - and from there he has a better position to convince people that Chop was saved and should be voted.
I'm not sure about that. Chop Chop is BoS if town, and as we (or I) figured out earlier, anyone on that wagon would have been sus because only scum factions need to kill him. Heck, maybe some of us such as me might've been town-spewed if Chop Chop was indeed chopped.

The Enclave could have also formulated a plan for D3, but that got cut off with the Nanook + Doom conflict.

Who would look really scummy for chopping a BoS? Tunneling and pushing them for three days straight. Nowadays Tony seems to just mention it occasionally as if its a significant sign of his contribution to the game state.

Chop was considered outed wolf by like, most people in the game (except a couple of players like Urist and Mac). If he flipped town, nobody looks scummy. They just shrug and go "yeah, Chop was scummy as fuck, what do you want from me". Even if Chop is town, I'm unconvinced there was any concerted effort to avoid the bad optics of being on his wagon - at least not on Day 2. Day 3 is more interesting, since the counterwagon is a wolf, so there's a lot more to read into and the optics are far worse.

We know DOOM hates playing scum and doesn't think she's too good at it - she's said as much before the game began. We also know that when Nook pressured DOOM with a claimed red check on her, her response was to put her nose up in the air, act as though she was too imperious to pay attention to the game, and promptly gallop away into the sunset. We also know that when Made subbed into the game, he was very very cagey about making a claim and seemed to be trying to stall for time while he chats to his scum mates in BTSC to come up with a plan.

Taken as a cohesive whole, these behaviors indicate that Urist and DOOM/Made were not engaging in planned scum theater together. If they did not engage in planned scum theater together then Urist is not scum with DOOM/Made. Hence Urist is probably not enclave.

I think Urist is not enclave with Made because he pushed DOOM into confirming a shitty claim after Nook said he had mech evidence against it. Urist seemed to be trying to pressure DOOM into confirming the Westin soft, but we know that Made ended up claiming Zeke instead. If they were enclave together, this is an elaborate theater where they pretend to not be on the same page about what claim Made is going to make. I don't think DOOM is one for elaborate theaters as scum, so I think Urist is probably not enclave.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:49 pm I don't think I'd be alive if Tony were enclave

I very likely would not be if urist was
Well, the 2nd point I can understand, but honestly the Enclave is a big faction. There's already 4 dead Wastelander civvies, and possibly more alive. Which implies there may be at least 3 more Enclave. They have multiple players each with self-conscious/survival interests competing with each other as the Enclave inherently can't afford to lose its members unless it benefited them.

What about the first one?

I don't understand what you mean by Enclave members competing. They're on the same team - they have the same win condition. They'll be working together.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:40 pm I kinda feel like this

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I'm not settled though as I have more investigation to do.

Why does TSP vote Rej for shitty reasons if he's wolf and Chop is town? Doesn't he just go "nah I'm on Chop"? If Chop goes through he gets rid of the person scumreading him the most and nobody's gonna blame him for voting Chop - if Rej goes through, Rej flips town and Tony shrugs his shoulders and goes "see? I told you Chop was a better exe" - and from there he has a better position to convince people that Chop was saved and should be voted.

I mean I'm just telling how it is. Like you're arguing I'd refrain from shooting you if I was slaver because that would out Tony (who you are assuming is my enclave buddy) but I assure you that if you flipped town Tony would not be turbo'd just on your say so. Pretty sure anyone else in this game can confirm that isn't how things work.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:35 pm would anyone believe me if I said that I was cleared from being slaver because if I am slaver I would have nightkilled chop just so I wouldn't have to read his content any more
Not if killing me may confirm Tony as Scum.

You don’t wanna lose yo partner now!

I'm going to be blunt, if you flipped town right now nobody would listen to your case on Tony regardless because you've been such an annoying player and you've been so stubborn about giving actual reasoning other than baldly asserting Tony is scum.

would anyone believe me if I said that I was cleared from being slaver because if I am slaver I would have nightkilled chop just so I wouldn't have to read his content any more

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:52 pm You had more votes than Jack
Bitch you blind?
Since when was I a top wagon Day 1?

1) jack had 2 votes, you had 3. if you think jack is a top wagon d1 you shouldn't be mocking other people for thinking you're a top wagon d1.

2) calling tony a bitch and accusing him of being blind is not a great thing to do.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:44 pm Done with your fake tunnel on me yet Tony?
Or did you come up with some new fake shit to push me with?

imo stop it with stuff like this.

we're all aware of your read on tony and your "signalling" theory. repeating it 1000x in a row doesn't convince anyone it just damages thread health.

Also the most obvious conclusion from "Chop isn't on the CW" is "Chop is scum buddies with the CW" and I've already said I don't think that's true.

ChopChop is currently self-voting. From this, I deduce that it is difficult to gain insights into the game state from his voting decisions EOD3.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm If Chop /weren't/ enclave you'd also expect enclave to be on his wagon. There's almost no difference in the counterfactual.

I think Made wasn't long for this world regardless of what happened.

Therefore they had to know Made would flip enclave eventually and the wagon war with Chop would be scrutinized.

This means anyone caught voting Chop would be under heavy suspicion of Chop was town. But if Chop flipped mafia then it would be a wash and you'd look a lot better.

Therefore enclave would be a lot more likely to vote Chop if Chop was enclave, paradoxically enough.

I'd expect some enclave to be off wagon and some enclave to be bussing made. Probably they had like one person on made while the rest found plausible vanity wagons to hide on and prayed to god that the chop wagon won.

absolutely heartless omission of KZA from the dramatic death scene

the obvious question is "if mafia would bus chop to save made, why wouldn't mafia kill town chop to save made", and the answer is that they'd out their whole team if they led a wagon onto chop and he flipped town, but if chop flips mafia then everyone's happy and nobody's going to question it too much.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:04 pm I'm sheeping Chop today.

why

my first impression from the made flip was that chop looked town from it

if chop is scum he is enclave because of the message thing. if chop/made are enclave/enclave then enclave always votes to kill chop over made, since made was vanillaizer + ninja and that's way better than commuter, as well as chop in general just being more distrusted and having less influence on the thread than made.

so from that logic I think if chop is scum we'd expect to find enclave on the chop wagon. the problem is that chop's wagon is Made, nook, myself, TSP and KZA. Made had to vote the counterwagon so that doesn't tell us anything. It is mechanically impossible for me or KZA to be enclave. I highly doubt that TSP is enclave with Chop. Nook buried Made so I doubt Nook is enclave either.

so enclave isn't on the chop wagon and enclave would be on the chop wagon if chop was mafia.

imagine not closing vote tags

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:04 pm I'm sheeping Chop today. [VOTE: Chop{/vote]] aubergine

[VOTE:
why

my first impression from the made flip was that chop looked town from it

if chop is scum he is enclave because of the message thing. if chop/made are enclave/enclave then enclave always votes to kill chop over made, since made was vanillaizer + ninja and that's way better than commuter, as well as chop in general just being more distrusted and having less influence on the thread than made.

so from that logic I think if chop is scum we'd expect to find enclave on the chop wagon. the problem is that chop's wagon is Made, nook, myself, TSP and KZA. Made had to vote the counterwagon so that doesn't tell us anything. It is mechanically impossible for me or KZA to be enclave. I highly doubt that TSP is enclave with Chop. Nook buried Made so I doubt Nook is enclave either.

so enclave isn't on the chop wagon and enclave would be on the chop wagon if chop was mafia.] aubergine

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:17 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:14 pm okay, so who was the alternative to Rej on D1 before the flash mob?
c4, but he got shot.
Jack was also a thing for a bit.
how for a bit are we talking? Any chance it was a save?

don't think so

jack was already off the table by EOD, it was c4, BK or rej, from my remembrance

Made wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:12 pm Hi friends I see y’all are still trying to throw me off a cliff. That’s kinda lame ngl

there is no reason for you to abstain from full claiming here

I guess sloon did not have a red check on marmot after all

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:49 am Although I should ask @Alison why it was the optimal play to shoot c4 on Day 1?

because I thought he was a wolf and everyone in the thread thought he was a wolf so I shot him to take him out of the POE. I have to use my daykill asap because I could be nightkilled n1 given my position on d1

Also i have asked chop to explain his signalling tinfoil 3 times now and he's dodged the question so im just assuming he's making it up

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