The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:04 am I do agree with your theory in general, though, TLib. I'm just not sure which names I'd narrow it down to. If I was the mafia's intended kill, the simplest answer is that they wanted to make sure they wouldn't hit a protected player.

I have to wonder if I count as a successful kill or not...

I would assume yes otherwise that mafia member would be feeling pretty bad.
not anymore though (IE can't be attacked again to count.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:57 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:52 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:50 am Answering a few of the last posts.

That is fair suspecting i was Chihiro but if i was i dought i could have not done a role play post or two as them (by far favorite DR1 Character)

Yes Sloonei you were a suspect to me i stated this earlier and i am honestly confused if this was a direct kill. If it was i think it points to Creature as a possible Mafia since you are more likely to have bought a free mislynch. Most likely there was a busdriver the more i think about it.
Could you explain this Creature theory in more detail? Note that creature is now speedchuck.
Well he is A not posting alot 17 Posts as an example.
he is in the Middle atleast was before the kill for reads.
If you wanted to kill someone Confirmed no protections no redirections that would be my target.
Remembering a new mafia finds out all previous mafia members they wouldn't want to go killing them unless it was extremely needed, it isn't right now. This points in my head to him being a possible earlier conversion and them not wanted killed. (i suspect that it could have been the last conversion that had the kill as well.)
But Creature is no longer playing. Speedchuck replaced him during the night.

Sorry takes time for a me to correctly get the Replacements right just a how i think.
but the same thing can be changed out for Speedchuck being in the same situation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:54 am My interpretation of the mechanics is that every new recruit performs the kill on the first night they are able. If no recruit happens, then the kill rotates to whichever member of the mafia team has gone the longest without performing a kill. Does anyone have a different interpretation?

That is Correct (going to make sure we are on the same page)
Conversion N2 kills N3

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:52 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:50 am Answering a few of the last posts.

That is fair suspecting i was Chihiro but if i was i dought i could have not done a role play post or two as them (by far favorite DR1 Character)

Yes Sloonei you were a suspect to me i stated this earlier and i am honestly confused if this was a direct kill. If it was i think it points to Creature as a possible Mafia since you are more likely to have bought a free mislynch. Most likely there was a busdriver the more i think about it.
Could you explain this Creature theory in more detail? Note that creature is now speedchuck.

Well he is A not posting alot 17 Posts as an example.
he is in the Middle atleast was before the kill for reads.
If you wanted to kill someone Confirmed no protections no redirections that would be my target.
Remembering a new mafia finds out all previous mafia members they wouldn't want to go killing them unless it was extremely needed, it isn't right now. This points in my head to him being a possible earlier conversion and them not wanted killed. (i suspect that it could have been the last conversion that had the kill as well.)

Answering a few of the last posts.

That is fair suspecting i was Chihiro but if i was i dought i could have not done a role play post or two as them (by far favorite DR1 Character)

Yes Sloonei you were a suspect to me i stated this earlier and i am honestly confused if this was a direct kill. If it was i think it points to Creature as a possible Mafia since you are more likely to have bought a free mislynch. Most likely there was a busdriver the more i think about it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:28 am Montezuma's soup will not include any paprika.

Okay then any information you have helps us alot. (depending on information)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:21 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:18 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:13 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:10 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:03 am I encourage Rej votes.

There are some players I would discourage votes against. There are more players I have no clear read on. There's also the problem of new recruits to deal with perpetually.
Okay you have my attention.
are you willing to out information you have then since either your immune to soup kill or will just die to it anyway.
Not at the moment. I will if I think it's a good idea.

I'm not clear on whether or not I am still susceptible to the soup kill. I will ask.
This is very fair.
How does my flip change your outlook on the game?
Am happy your night killed you were in the bottom half of my reads but that being said i don't wanna go to fair into it but makes me suspect i am off on more then just you. But again why the hell were you killed like seriously there are better options unless....

i think we need to look at the top "town" again and do a day by day thought process on who we trust and distrust.
As a jumping off point, I recommend a trustfall exercise: List a reason or two why you could town-read every player in the game. Then look over the list and identify which of those reasons are the weakest.

okay i'll start with one
Creature/Speed

Yeah that's were i am i do wish there was someway for use to get info out with out dieing and losing the game.

(i am making an actually list now but that's about all i got for creature/speed sadly)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:13 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:10 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:03 am I encourage Rej votes.

There are some players I would discourage votes against. There are more players I have no clear read on. There's also the problem of new recruits to deal with perpetually.
Okay you have my attention.
are you willing to out information you have then since either your immune to soup kill or will just die to it anyway.
Not at the moment. I will if I think it's a good idea.

I'm not clear on whether or not I am still susceptible to the soup kill. I will ask.
This is very fair.
How does my flip change your outlook on the game?

Am happy your night killed you were in the bottom half of my reads but that being said i don't wanna go to fair into it but makes me suspect i am off on more then just you. But again why the hell were you killed like seriously there are better options unless....

i think we need to look at the top "town" again and do a day by day thought process on who we trust and distrust.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:10 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:03 am I encourage Rej votes.

There are some players I would discourage votes against. There are more players I have no clear read on. There's also the problem of new recruits to deal with perpetually.
Okay you have my attention.
are you willing to out information you have then since either your immune to soup kill or will just die to it anyway.
Not at the moment. I will if I think it's a good idea.

I'm not clear on whether or not I am still susceptible to the soup kill. I will ask.

This is very fair.

Also when you are skum read by a few people and the attack target it almost seems as if there is a busdriver still alive.
That or i do question the Mafia Kills.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:03 am I encourage Rej votes.

There are some players I would discourage votes against. There are more players I have no clear read on. There's also the problem of new recruits to deal with perpetually.

Okay you have my attention.
are you willing to out information you have then since either your immune to soup kill or will just die to it anyway.

Fayt wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:26 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:54 pm I think we can also do some tricks in order to see if some of our roles are alive, for example, some person can claim if they've had BTSC with Naegi lately, so we can see if he's still here, stuff like that. Not sure if it's necessarily productive, but, it seems like some fresh touch. I don't know if it helps with anything though.
Isn't that a bit risky to reveal?

Not nessasarily but i do think this is better said in a day period. So we get the most time with information.

But eventually we have to take risks and the mote town bodies that are lynched the more risks that are needed.

Sorry i disappeared currently helping someone new to my homesite with stuff 24/24 is hard to keep up with.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:58 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:54 pm I think we can also do some tricks in order to see if some of our roles are alive, for example, some person can claim if they've had BTSC with Naegi lately, so we can see if he's still here, stuff like that. Not sure if it's necessarily productive, but, it seems like some fresh touch. I don't know if it helps with anything though.

I hate my dog jumped on me when i opened this sorry.

Was going to say i have not be chosen My Naegi on the bases that i am not Naegi.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:58 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:54 pm I think we can also do some tricks in order to see if some of our roles are alive, for example, some person can claim if they've had BTSC with Naegi lately, so we can see if he's still here, stuff like that. Not sure if it's necessarily productive, but, it seems like some fresh touch. I don't know if it helps with anything though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:54 pm I think we can also do some tricks in order to see if some of our roles are alive, for example, some person can claim if they've had BTSC with Naegi lately, so we can see if he's still here, stuff like that. Not sure if it's necessarily productive, but, it seems like some fresh touch. I don't know if it helps with anything though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:52 pm Take this with a grain of salt, I'm purely basing this on common sense, I usually suck with mechanics and setups and role balancing and whatever, but I think I am close to being true when I say that :

The cops are probably immune from conversion, or at the very least, they are immune til like a specific night. Either that, or a role has some sort of "protecting from conversion" mechanic as his role that has to be overpowered, meaning they can target roles with limited shots, or idk.

I think that's the case, because, town can't cooperate through sheer mass claiming and putting the puzzle pieces together, as there's a soup kill. So either cops are overpowered / are immune to being converted or some role's secrets can single-handedly change the outcome of the game.

I have guess the second having just Immunitys would be broken my guess is he have a Doctor and a Anti Conveter either in the same person or seperate.

I am pretty sure its something like Makoto is Immune to Conversions and maybe the player you have (I forget what its called but get to talk to) is conversion Immune you may not talk to the same person twice.

Maybe Sakura is a Doctor/(Don't know what you call it here so a role that choses a player to die in their place.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:46 pm Can you compare his scum game from the Wire to this game and try to associate his mindset from there with his mindset from here? I will check out The Wire for myself to see if I'm following your thought process.
I don't have time for this sort of heavy lifting (I'm about to head out for the evening). But here is his ISO from The Wire.
That is also my most recent scum game, if you want to do a comparison there.

When i get to my computer I'll attempt reading this to see if it helps. Have a good evening.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:43 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:36 pm TL, is that read from a mechanical standpoint or have you sensed some difference between how he posted N0 to N1? Tbh, we didn't even have N0.
I really like his D1 and believe it is town alignened.
Sadly he has little D2 and even less D3 and would like to see more to compare his now to then.
But don't believe he is currently a convert.
are we talking about the same Rej?

I think so (If the links are wrong someone tell me)
But i do have a different way of reading people which makes me highly dought his N0 conversion.
And am less likely to Believe him to be a later convert for something specific i have noticed with some people that i would much rather keep hidden for this moment.
(I can talk about it in the day)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:42 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:25 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:19 pm Rej
Highly dought as N1 Conversion, and Unlikely N2.
If monokuma could recruit last night that is a possibility but am going to assume he was RB'd like everyone else With Lights Out.

Most Likely Town going into N3.
Why? I was just ISOing him too and came to the opposite conclusion.
Specficly i am confident in them not being the N1 conversion.
Will clarify to be clear if they were converted it would have been last night possible N0.
(Orginally ment not converted N0-N1)

Of you still disagree please state why while i move forward reading more people.
I read him as a potential Night 1 recruit. But that is also partially influenced by the vague info Fayt gave us.

Difference is i still am unsure about Fayt so havn't taken their information inti that specfic read. Mainly cause i suspect that cops are likely top conversion targets amd due to the mystery between roles and characters its hard to be Anti Recruitment.

And since Fayt has been in the lower of people reads i have dought that they would be of the Chosen for this.

I hope this makes sense.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:36 pm TL, is that read from a mechanical standpoint or have you sensed some difference between how he posted N0 to N1? Tbh, we didn't even have N0.

I really like his D1 and believe it is town alignened.
Sadly he has little D2 and even less D3 and would like to see more to compare his now to then.
But don't believe he is currently a convert.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:38 pm If you're town, just play for the sake of winning the game for town and not for a potential moment when you'll be converted, please.
I mean yeah but

There's an invincible unbeatable cult leader

We will all die or be subsumed

We either die town or live long enough to become despair

So how does a townie win? Because 'survive' implies an end to the madness, and I don't see it in the rules yet
How do the students win in the show? DO they win? How does it end?

Major Spoilors

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:34 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:38 pm If you're town, just play for the sake of winning the game for town and not for a potential moment when you'll be converted, please.
I gotta be honest, that's tough. The ability to PM Monokuma is just so... tempting. I could just... tell him my role, and ask for recruitment. Who knows?

BUT I just don't know if that would simply become my disadvantage and downfall. Maybe Monokuma would just save up info for a final glorious Soup Kill, laughing at the fools who tried to sell their souls, and lost everything instead. And that's just the known risk. We don't even know his Win Condition. It might not even be Mafia-aligned, and we, good and evil, are all just pawns.

He is not mafia aligned we know this from earlyier he has a different win condition which is unknown to us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:25 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:19 pm Rej
Highly dought as N1 Conversion, and Unlikely N2.
If monokuma could recruit last night that is a possibility but am going to assume he was RB'd like everyone else With Lights Out.

Most Likely Town going into N3.
Why? I was just ISOing him too and came to the opposite conclusion.

Specficly i am confident in them not being the N1 conversion.
Will clarify to be clear if they were converted it would have been last night possible N0.
(Orginally ment not converted N0-N1)

Of you still disagree please state why while i move forward reading more people.

Rej
Highly dought as N1 Conversion, and Unlikely N2.
If monokuma could recruit last night that is a possibility but am going to assume he was RB'd like everyone else With Lights Out.

Most Likely Town going into N3.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:58 pm A quick glance at Trustworthy Liberal reveals several posts that immediately stand out as positive:

Spoiler: show
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:01 pm So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:18 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:14 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)
He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them
Coooo! (He's literally MAKING the mafia. Actually why would he be on a different team? Unless you think he just needs to live until the end or something)
Why else would he have a god dam soup kill that could kill the entire game in one night. What i think is that he wants the minimum amount of people alive at the end of the game.
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:02 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:41 pm COOOOO? (Also stop town reading Okosan or he's gonna get shot in the night )
Also if i am correct no one dies tonight since no mafia?
All of these posts reflect a player who is actively trying to piece together the puzzle that is this game. That means more to me in this particular game than it normally would, since the setup itself is as great a mystery as player alignments are. This does not look like a player who is anticipating recruitment, which seems to be the implication of Fayt's info.

But all of this is on Day 1.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:07 am The soup kill is a single use or 1-shot from how i read it atleast.
No read here, but I want to ask why this is how you read the soup kill mechanic, TLib? Do others see it that way? This is not how I interpreted it, though I assume (hope) there are some limitations on the soup kill. I just don't see anything to suggest it's 1-shot.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?
Since there was a night kill last night I belive there are Two mafia currenty on top of Monokuma.
This is also not something that I would be inclined to believe, but I'm interested to hear why the theory exists.
I think this sort of speculation is a good look here. Regardless of whether or not this is accurate, TLib is offering mechanical speculation that is off the beaten path, which lends it the appearance of being genuine. I take that as a good sign. There's no reason for a recruited Liberal to fabricate a theory like this.

I feel good about TLib based on mechanical speculation, but I see very little in the way of reads here. They expressed general agreement with tedxter's POE, but no reason beyond "I trust ted." @Trustworthy Liberal can you share any reads on any other players?
I'd not be inclined to vote for the liberal in this instance.

I am preping for a reread right now to give an read on players.

Also i specutated the soup kill as a 1-shot as i remember it saying that upon it failing it would be stated un thread if it failed at any point in the chain. To me that makes me think One Shot.

I will be reading on phone so will take alittle will look through one at a time and post as i read through their posts.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:49 am I don’t town read people based on whether they’ve down well enough, you’re straw manning.

There’s just nothing going on for you. Random votes, no attempt at reading someone. You lynched in my town reads without addressing it at all. Okosan addressed why he thinks I’m wrong on Jack at the very least.

There’s no thought process for me to analyze here.

It’s the 10th time I’m telling you that you aren’t even a scum read / I don’t scum read you, I just town read other people better than you. Stop straw manning that as well.

You’re literally in a box. You not doing anything to get out of it or discuss why other people should be in the box instead of you still keeps you in the box.

You are correct i have done the minimum outwards reading (For a reason this time.)
If you dought me you have the reasons to even more so not having done much to outwards prove it makes sense.
I hope tommorow i can change that for most atleast.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:45 am One point that has been disheartening me and keeping me from diving fully into this game is that we can’t trust our reads from day to day. My top civilian read on Day 2 needs to go out the window on Day 3, because it’s possible that player will have been recruited.

I have not fully engaged with this game yet because I’ve been uncertain of just what I’m supposed to be doing (and also because other things in life are distracting me), but if y’all are gonna dangle the threat of a misguided lynch over my head then my pride’s gonna force me to go all in.

This is fair i have felt this for the entire game as well.
(part of why conversion is an eiffy mechanic to me)
I will try to put more effort into this game as well as i havn't put enough i feel that i would like to.

I suppose most players could put more into the game aswell but i'll do my best starting in the morning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:43 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:38 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:
My question is if there even is Lylo based off assumtions I've made their isn't one.

Because if you think about monokuma can miss recruits right?
Example he chooses Aoi and Aoi is already dead.
This would mean that we could have less mafia then we expect. Unless there is something hidden in those goshdam Monokuma Secrets.
Why are you accepting tedxters POE?
It makes sense and i trust them?
I am planning to look over the game once more in the morning currently past midnight and don't think i would get the most out of rereading right now.

But trusting tedexter right now makes me trust their reads
That is not unfair. Why do you trust him?

Mechanical Reasons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:
My question is if there even is Lylo based off assumtions I've made their isn't one.

Because if you think about monokuma can miss recruits right?
Example he chooses Aoi and Aoi is already dead.
This would mean that we could have less mafia then we expect. Unless there is something hidden in those goshdam Monokuma Secrets.
Why are you accepting tedxters POE?

It makes sense and i trust them?
I am planning to look over the game once more in the morning currently past midnight and don't think i would get the most out of rereading right now.

But trusting tedexter right now makes me trust their reads

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:33 am Why are you town? Quote some posts that you think are indicative of your alignment
This is not how I desire to approach the game.

(Fixxed)
Then how do you wish to do so?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:33 am Why are you town? Quote some posts that you think are indicative of your alignment
This is not how I desire to approach the game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:

My question is if there even is Lylo based off assumtions I've made their isn't one.

Because if you think about monokuma can miss recruits right?
Example he chooses Aoi and Aoi is already dead.
This would mean that we could have less mafia then we expect. Unless there is something hidden in those goshdam Monokuma Secrets.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:18 am It’s really simple, don’t make this complicated.

Find who’s town, and lynch who isn’t.

Sloonei isn’t town. Fayt isn’t town. Okosan, meh, I’m actually willing to reconsider although it’s nothing too strong about him. I guess I’d rather flip Sloonei and Fayt first and if they flip town and Okosan doesn’t improve in the meantime, then I’m fine lynching him.

I should have read your second post before responding but yeah this is simular to my thoughts looking back.

I should reread the game later to see if i see something new. Will do that in the morning most likely.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:15 am Yes, I object to Rej.

You’ll have to go through why my town read on Rej is faulty.

I am quite content with my PoE and would like people to address it. I’d appreciate if we didn’t lynch in what i deem to be a town pool. I can’t stop you, but at the same time, it’s not like you even consider my analysis. I mean, why Rej? Instead of Sloonei / Fayt / Okosan ? I really think there’s at least one scum in that pairing. I think all my town reads are solid. Okosan’s deliberately pushing in my town pool and what do you know, we already flipped one town. Now he’s pushing Long Con, if he flips town, what’s gonna happen next?

Just lynch the people that aren’t town, that’s all there is to it. Rej is not scum.

Okay thats enough to not shot Rej for me for now that is.

I am good with Fayt/Sloonei for a POE unsure about Okosan for other reasons i would rather not get into.

Currently suspect that some of the following are converted.
Kyoko, Makoto, Chihiro.

These seem like amazing converts not knowing secrets of course.

If anyone has had or does have protection against said things (Conversions) i would be doing so on those characters.

Reminder Makoto if Alive talk to Kyoko if you havn't already if you have Chihiro is the next option for information. If you must target another from information gained do so but those are the best options.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:56 am I swear man, the serial killer chick must have some sort of day vig / night vig

If they do i can only think of two things that could come of it.
A: Mafia getting TWO kills remembering Monokuma choses character not player so would turn really bad.

B: If said person does have it they should kill Rej tonight and prove it i would like to see the opposite wagon flip might give use something to base off of.

If someone other then Rej objects please speak up now.

Curious that none are voting the opposite wagon to them curious to see if they will show up before EoD

If someone disagrees with gathering secret info please speak up but swapping between Chihiro and Kyoko makes the most sense to me.
In theory you could go to someone else if Chihiro could information on someone else with an investigative ability then in that case i would visit them.

General Message.

Who ever is Makoto assuming you have Talked to Kyoko i think at some point you should try communicating to Chihiro some Secret information would be useful to have left behind in a way since Makoto will be our best way to A make false Character Claims to avoid Soup kill. B spread information neatly. Only worry i have with this is spreading our information to the wrong hands IE mafia.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:32 am one of these days we’ll be able to set the poll using hours and not days

But uh take 3 hour away from the poll

I will not remember this but will try (Forgot last time IE why i missed EoD)

but either way Monokuma lynch is very good and the Dom kill is weird to say the least i believe that the TP hasn't be converted for this reason.
This is assuming we have any which i believe we would either from conversion/kills or both.
Also should keep in mind we have a busdriver and they might be changing kill targets which isn't unreasonable to think at this point in time.

I was reading back and there seems to a few people assuming multiple people are conversion immune so far i've seen
Kyoko. Makoto, Kiyotake. Also there is a role in this game that is conversion resistant Sakura.

I think it is more realistic i believe we have someone who can prevent conversions over all of them being immune and out of them i think only Makoto would be even if Kiyotaka is the 'Moral Compass".

(Alittle sad we don't get to know who has died character wise but that"s how it is makes it harder for Monokuma.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:35 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pm Does it make Sloonei confirmed towny?
How?
because she was DDL's counterwagon, how big are the odds first recruit and Monokuma got both tied?

Assuming an equal chance of all players being counterwagon (with only 2 non townies) and all players being recruited, the odds of Sloonei being the recruit are the same as anyone else’s.

Also this should be kept in mind for the rest of the game since everyone has the additional win condition of LIVE.
Also mafia and Monokuma don't know each other so assuming they would save each other is completely false.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:57 pm
Okosan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:37 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:34 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:27 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pm Does it make Sloonei confirmed towny?
How?
because she was DDL's counterwagon, how big are the odds first recruit and Monokuma got both tied?
Cooooooooo! (Well in the world that she's the first/only recruit it doesn't make her any more town no. Because it's not like scum would be directing the lynch off of her. In the world in which there's two mafia it's iffier, and Okosan thinks that's the world we're in? Because otherwise there shouldn't have been a kill yesterday right?)
If Monokuma thinks ahead then we can count for 3 maf already one is about to be recruited
But lynching one of the own allies can be a good thing if they can win with Monokuma... hmm

Well if the Roleblock goes off successfully we can assume that there will still be two.
Also if i am correct i was thinking this over night it is possible for Monokuma to "Miss" a recruit if he targets a dead character.
that is assuming of course that he doesn't know dead peoples characters.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

Since there was a night kill last night I belive there are Two mafia currenty on top of Monokuma.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:53 am Lmfao good derp clear on me and jack

Am going to say do to this one.

Jack is maybe alittle due to yesterday but not giving even alittle of one. Doesn't mean jack isn't converted just not monokuma. (Atleast a high chance not to be.)

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:48 am I waited a night specifically because I thought he'd attempt that, which he probably already has.

I think the Kyoko chick's the TI (town investigative) and so, giving monokuma the option of converting them on night one doesn't make sense.

So far we assume that three people have resistance/immunity. Only person able to confirm this we know of is Chihiro. Who shouldn't reveal that atm if they do know because soup kill.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:52 am Why does that clear me? Have we not met?

Hello I’m Sloonei.
Why would you bother pushing me when you could recruit me or soupkill me?

They might have lied to you in thought.
The soup kill is a single use or 1-shot from how i read it atleast.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:15 am I have some information but I’m thinking about whether I should reveal it first or not

Be careful revealing your role/character means monokuma could kill you we have to be very careful with claims.

Not to mention he knows all roles so be careful what you say within his ear shot.

Mac being killed is alittle?
I am worried there might have been alternative motives here. Possible that the killer knows something we didn't otherwise killing Mac might be based on who Mac is strong at reading.

No much seems to be going on i assume since there is no immediate danger at hand would make sense for this.
I expect to see you all upfront and ready when the motive drops though.

Rpish thing

Spoiler: show

i will let everyone know i plan to go to The Library and Archives for my Free time atleast for the first 6 hour period chance as long as i am awake that is (that time is around 2:30am for me) incase anyone wanted to either avoid or join me i'll put it out there.

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