The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:58 pm I still don't get if Monokuma had a vote. I think "yes."

So all we learned is a couple people aren't Leon and Epi was town...right?

@TonyStarkPrime

I think we learned that Epi voters aren't Monokuma.

it means it is exetremly likely that the people on Epi aren't Monokuma yes unless i misunderstand something

All the info is in the first post if you don't believe me please go read it.
This information should be known to everyone and anyone confused should go and reread it so that we avoid this confusion in the future.

Also i noticed this part in the setup which might be another reason to why the mafia wouldn't message monokuma

The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:58 pm I still don't get if Monokuma had a vote. I think "yes."

So all we learned is a couple people aren't Leon and Epi was town...right?

@TonyStarkPrime

Rule 8 Headmaster Monokuma cannot vote, but the player who has his role can. It does not count towards the total votes. the answer is in the setup

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:29 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:27 pm [VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Cause i would like closer Wagons okay with a Dom lynch as well.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Is that close enough for you?

What is your reason to care about whether "wagons" are closer?

Yes Monokuma's Vote Counts as 0 that is more then a good reason

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Cause i would like closer Wagons okay with a Dom lynch as well.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:19 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:18 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:14 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them

Coooo! (He's literally MAKING the mafia. Actually why would he be on a different team? Unless you think he just needs to live until the end or something)

Why else would he have a god dam soup kill that could kill the entire game in one night. What i think is that he wants the minimum amount of people alive at the end of the game.

COO! (To prevent town from mass claiming day one and lynching him. He probably doesn't die just gets mega screwed if he's lynched)

We are missing part of the Monokuma Role as a reminder he has Secrets at the bottom of page 1.
there is something we all don't know it may be how the games ends cause honestly i dought if there is a mafia today and we lynched them that the game ends.
my guess it there is a number that ends this game i have a few guesses to what they are but nothing solid this would also go hand in hand to why Chihiro can't find out this information as it could make town to strong. That could also mean if everyone is converted that they would still have to kill each other.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:14 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them

Coooo! (He's literally MAKING the mafia. Actually why would he be on a different team? Unless you think he just needs to live until the end or something)

Why else would he have a god dam soup kill that could kill the entire game in one night. What i think is that he wants the minimum amount of people alive at the end of the game.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 pm COOO! (There's no reason the bear would want to kill the mafia he makes)

He is on a different team then the mafia to my understanding so why not kill them

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:12 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:10 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:09 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

COOO! (But what's stopping the newly converted player from pm-ing Monokuma, telling the bear their role, and then Monokuma giving them the mafia list?)

The Soup Kill you need to live at the end of the game to win if you told monokuma your role that is suicide and you will lose the game.

Coooooooo! (No Okosan means this:
- Monokuma recruits Okosan by recruiting role A
- Okosan pm's the bear saying, "Hey! You recruited Okosan as Role A last night! Who's the other mafia team?"
- Monokuma PMs back, "Oh it's x, y, and z")

mafia win con is Kill AND LIVE TILL THE END OF THE GAME.

if you tell him your role he will kill you with the soup kill so that he can win also makes it much harder if say your kill gets stoped by a RB or Doctor then you would lose the game in this case. This is why i said it was suicide the Soup kill should stop any mafia from telling monokuma they changed.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:09 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

COOO! (But what's stopping the newly converted player from pm-ing Monokuma, telling the bear their role, and then Monokuma giving them the mafia list?)

The Soup Kill you need to live at the end of the game to win if you told monokuma your role that is suicide and you will lose the game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:07 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

...

Huh.

IE Monokuma lets say converted Aoi that is all he knows

Monokuma wouldn't know which player is Aoi and couldn't give them information because of this and could only message as an example Jack not Aoi.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 pm Cooooooo! (Yeah that's actually one thing Okosan was confused about via the rules. There's nothing stopping all the mafia learning each other's identities right? Monokuma can just message every mafia they create with the entire list effectively ruining this rule: "-The most recent recruited player will know who else was recruited before them.")

NO THATS WRONG
(sorry i had to)

Monokuma Converts Roles
and Talks to players he doesn't know the mafia and can't do that only the mafia could talk to monokuma not the opposite

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:59 pm y'all are really shitty at reading me and many of you are very confident in your abilities.

i'm embarrassed for you.

I can not read you i'll be honest this can be seen in our last game in which i struggled to do so and had voted you in your mislynch or at the very least was on board with your lynch i can't remember which.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:57 pm Dom vs Epi is pretty good. Now we’ll see if the mafia tries to save one of them.

Coooooo! (Well theoretically there should only be one mafia (Monokuma) right now. But year fair there might be two)

Sidenote: Monokuma converts a Role not a Player so by that logic they shouldn't know each other if i am correct. This could be broken through if the mafia messaged Monokuma to tell him who they are but that would be suicide as he would most definitely soup kill you when he does so.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:03 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:56 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:01 pm So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.

Coooo! (Ew this feels bad that Okosan literally said mentioning we should do a tie makes someone less likely to be Monokuma and that you start pushing it super hard now)

COO! COO! (In case you didn't read what Okosan said making a tie is bad because it gives info to Monokuma for no reason. And read the Monokuma rold it says Monokuma can't vote if FOUND. Therefore he can still vote and have his vote count right now as far as Okosan knows)

I mentioned this immediately after talking today this isn't something i am just now pushing

Also unless am mistaken yes he currently votes but his vote is Zero. so in the case of a tie would mean that it seems as if he voted but that vote doesn't actually effect stuff in the end.

And i might have seen your post but didn't really remember it per say after saying that very distracted as the stage play am watching isn't translated and gotta focus to understand what is actually happening but is very good so far.

Coo! Coooo! (No it's not something you're just now pushing or bringing up, but up until now you've only been toying with the idea of it. Then immediately after Okosan says that's more townish you finally decide, "yep that's what we should do today," as opposed to, "maybe this is what we should do")

Cooo? (That could very easily be you feeling out the thread to see if you can get something to help you as Monokuma, and then going in for some hopeful town cred)

I suggested it to see if i was misunderstanding it seems as if am not so i pushed it. If you disagree with me kill me right now otherwise we can move forward i believe given time i can prove myself but untill then you will have to trust that i honestly didn't register what you said in my head.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:18 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:01 pm So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.

Coooo! (Ew this feels bad that Okosan literally said mentioning we should do a tie makes someone less likely to be Monokuma and that you start pushing it super hard now)

COO! COO! (In case you didn't read what Okosan said making a tie is bad because it gives info to Monokuma for no reason. And read the Monokuma rold it says Monokuma can't vote if FOUND. Therefore he can still vote and have his vote count right now as far as Okosan knows)

I mentioned this immediately after talking today this isn't something i am just now pushing

Also unless am mistaken yes he currently votes but his vote is Zero. so in the case of a tie would mean that it seems as if he voted but that vote doesn't actually effect stuff in the end.

And i might have seen your post but didn't really remember it per say after saying that very distracted as the stage play am watching isn't translated and gotta focus to understand what is actually happening but is very good so far.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:41 pm COOOOO? (Also stop town reading Okosan or he's gonna get shot in the night )

Also if i am correct no one dies tonight since no mafia?

So based off how normal games go (Someone correct me if i am wrong)
we will know if this voting causes a Tie and there for would be randomized if that is correct i think the best course of action is to keep a tie (of two votes possible) this should tell us either a voter if Monokuma due to no tie or (with the current wagons) could tell us turnip is Leon.

So were we are at is really just who we kill then since hitting Monokuma would be amazing honestly but i unlikely.
The main thing is we can't/don't want to kill a extremly powerful role.

am watching the DR2 live action play with my home community since it was planned a few weeks back so will be on and off

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:00 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:30 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:30 pm So I don't normally say lets lynch inactives, but I think it may be worth discussing.

Mainly since they're dead weight, mafia won't ever recruit someone who's not around especially in this set up and it leaves the least amount of blood on our hands.

COO! COOOOO! (Again Monokuma recruits roles not people)

Oh thats a good point. I imagine monokuma would want to get rid of inactives then

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:47 pm Also to note Makoto being special in the fact that he chooses a role not a player should come into fact and could be used nicely depending on his secret which is one i have an idea or two of what it could be. Either way we could set this up tonight to make sure a specific set of people either don't have their role messed with in anyway for safety of the idea i stated earlier.

Semi Spoilers

Spoiler: show

also as a side note Not tonight but after that he could be used to get info out from our Cop without them having to reveal depending on if Makoto himself gets converted. This is in Spoilers just in case someone doesn't know Kyoko is our Cop. Or at worst Chihiro could also get a similar result.

Spoiler: show

I imagine because hes the mc, hes not able to be recruited but I could be wrong.

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Also to note Makoto being special in the fact that he chooses a role not a player should come into fact and could be used nicely depending on his secret which is one i have an idea or two of what it could be. Either way we could set this up tonight to make sure a specific set of people either don't have their role messed with in anyway for safety of the idea i stated earlier.

Semi Spoilers

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:31 pm Cooo! (Even if his vote is worth 0 Okosan could still see Monokuma starting a wagon to get people thinking about it as an option)

let me double check something with all character abilities but i assume we could have an good chance of forcing Monokuma Suspects in voting into a tie causeing their vote to matter in most cases this is made harder with double vote possibles sadly.

Okay from what i've found our secrets are tied to character (love this btw.)
But from what i gather town has the chance at amazing things and if something happens to you not on a role card already i would say it should be revealed asap to the class we need this all for help. Also 100% the more of Danganronpa you know the higher chance you can piece together what peoples Secrets will be. i can give examples of thought i have/had before we started just need to remember spoilers on this site.

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:20 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:13 pm COOOO! (Alright so the reason that Okosan is sussing TH is TH is doing the exact things that Okosan would see Monokuma as doing. Voting people randomly and early to see what sticks (starting a BW, jumping on Epi's), hanging around to be able to influence how things go, but overall not saying a whole lot.)

just the thing that Monokuma's vote doesn't count. Monokuma would rather heat on a BW, but not starting it himself

Cooooooo! (Doesn't Monokuma's vote only stop counting once we find him?)

No his vote Counts as ZERO and he doesn't vote when found

Sorry am late just noticed this started will read the pages and give my thoughts