The Syndicate

First thing I said in dead chat was 'it's fucking hally isn't it'.


GG wolves. I don't even think town was bad, overall, that was just an excellent performance from both of you.

Tapping out. My vote is on Nanook for whenever you guys decide to flash wagon him.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:29 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:25 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I may keep changing my vote every 30 seconds to stop Nanook hammering whoever he wants though.

Unlikely I hammer wilgy lol

I thought hammer is always good

Oh that was meant in quoting Wilgy.

Oh well, kinda works anyway.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:28 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:27 pm Wilgy/Dizzy wagons and neither is self pressing

Oh.

I really am very lethargic and not very phased by the prospect of dying. It's not EoD yet either.

Yeah but hammer.

Wilgy/Dizzy wagons and neither is self pressing

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I may keep changing my vote every 30 seconds to stop Nanook hammering whoever he wants though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:23 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:19 pm I wanted to hang on, slink by, give us 1-2 clears or something next round. But I'm not having a good game and don't have time to turn it around.

You made the right move to claim.

Sometimes it's worthwhile to hold onto claims as long as you can and let Dizzy take the bullet for you instead...

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:22 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:50 pm I will poke my head in again before EoD but won't be super active. But we're not chopping me today.

for transparency sake, i read this as a soft

Oh, yeah, that one was.

I wanted to hang on, slink by, give us 1-2 clears or something next round. But I'm not having a good game and don't have time to turn it around.

Didn't use my action. Was saving it for better probability of success.

Before you go checking I didn't leave an intentional soft because I figured in a small game the scum may be looking for that sort of thing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:16 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:15 pm Actually I guess I don't have time to get cute.

Okay is that a BP claim?

No. It's a Watcher claim.

Actually I guess I don't have time to get cute.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:12 pm If it's not a PR claim, I think I'm locking my vote in.

It's not a BP claim.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Partially self-pres, partially wisdom of the crowd.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:09 pm MR reminds me a bit of c4 in the PSY 2310 game. The hard part of false solving is identifying false suspects, and sometimes mafia just elect to town read everyone.

Thanks for continuing to suffocate me.

I’m just thinking out loud. Keep doing what you’re doing.

I may have rolled my eyes a bit too hard at you there. Sorry.


And I'm out of time to think tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:09 pm MR reminds me a bit of c4 in the PSY 2310 game. The hard part of false solving is identifying false suspects, and sometimes mafia just elect to town read everyone.

Thanks for continuing to suffocate me.

I'll be going soon and we can't chop me so let's find a new place for our votes, chaps.

I am at:

Hally, C4 town
Mac probably town

Jay and Dizzy - one here? not together though
Nook, NAA, Wilgy - ??? for all of them but having skimmed two of the isos (Wilgy, Nook) I'm just not sold on them being good bets


This post was for me not for any of you.

Also, I don't really mind losing to slanker scum tbh. I don't consider that sort of loss a real loss.

So like...I just want to punt Wilgy down the road some more.

I want to say Wilgy is just lost/disengaged town. The only thing holding me back is (a) gAmEsTaTe and more importantly (b) disengaged scum could/would definitely talk about the hammer thing the way he did too.

I forgot Wilgy had the whole hammergate thing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:08 pm @Master Radishes, can you give me gun-to-head mafia reads? At least two?

This is the bit I'm struggling most with. I can give you a few townreads of varying confidence, but I don't have a single name I'm really ready to hang my hat on as scum.

I'm still noodling.

Coming from a forum where we have slankers a fair bit, I find it best to ignore them as long as possible.

I hesitate on a Wilgy chop solely because we're firing kinda blindly at him and if we miss then fuck.

I did a quick read through of Dizzy's iso as C4 suggested and I don't really see what you see, C4? Like I get your general point about Dizzy piling on or whatever, but I still see it as potentially wolfy more than towny. If we're being uncharitable, Dizzy was sort of existing to throw shade and shitpost and not much in between.

I will poke my head in again before EoD but won't be super active. But we're not chopping me today.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:30 pm I don't actually believe MR is scum either so. I don't really get what the case is, unless it's only based on MR/Dizzy fits together, cause I can see how that is true. But also like, no duh.

We just have that sort of chemistry.

And yes, if it's not clear, I've developed a tinfoil on Jay. It was lurking in the back of my head but has lately been flickering in the side of my eye.

C4,

Thanks for quoting all those. I'm going to refrain from commenting on your perspective until I iso Dizzy as you said we should w.r.t. Alison.

But what I get out of the Mac/Jay bit is that if Dizzy is town then Mac was solving and Jay was being opportunistic about it.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:56 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:52 pm For the crowd:

If MR/Dizzy contains one but not two, which do you feel is most likely and [if you feel like it] why?

Dizzy, because I know my role card.

What's your Dizzy read like rn
If you've already said it I'm too lazy to go find it

I haven't. I had good vibes D1 and that's about as far as I got. I've not really...done anything D2. Maybe you've noticed.

Have you read why I think he's town and if so do you care
Have you read why Jay/Mac think he's not town and if so do you care

To both: if I have (I likely have) it didn't stick in my head enough to call it to mind in this moment. If you link I will read and consider. But also I'm doing Life Things right now so don't feel obligated to because I may put it off anyway.

I can't decide whether everyone pairing me/Dizzy means we're both town or you're all doing well enough and are just misfiring on one of your options.

I kind of want it to be the former as an eff you to everyone.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:52 pm For the crowd:

If MR/Dizzy contains one but not two, which do you feel is most likely and [if you feel like it] why?

Dizzy, because I know my role card.

What's your Dizzy read like rn
If you've already said it I'm too lazy to go find it

I haven't. I had good vibes D1 and that's about as far as I got. I've not really...done anything D2. Maybe you've noticed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:52 pm For the crowd:

If MR/Dizzy contains one but not two, which do you feel is most likely and [if you feel like it] why?

Dizzy, because I know my role card.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:43 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:40 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:38 pm what does that post even mean lol

It means I'm 99% sure that C4, Dizzy, MR contain 1 or fewer mafia.

Because MATH

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:42 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:27 pm okay but what if it’s like NAA/wilgy and we’re just imploding for no reason as both wolves do nothing? because that’s not even unlikely

nobody has been able to explain why wilgy is a villager still and i find the reasons why NAA is a villager unconvincing

NAA is doing town!him things on the surface, like throwing out a single read at a time and sticking to it, keeping a low volume, etc.

He played recently on CDC and had, like, two whole reads the entire game, and one was correct. So far in this game he's basically said 'Alison V, MR W' and he's batting .500 on that one too. (I guess lately he's daring to state opinions on others as well, but more as throw-outs rather than central aspects of his worldview.)

So like...yeah, he's in his town meta. But honestly that's not really enough to meta-read someone imo. I don't see anything he's posted that can't come from scum!him, knowing if he keeps a low profile we'll let him go for awhile.

My issue is that if it's just not him, and I can't say with much certainty it is, then I'm living in a hard world of Jay/C4/Dizzy/Nook and some of those combos don't make sense and it's gonna be a lot of effort to get it right if we're in LYLO or close to it.

why are you not considering wilgy? or are you?

I didn't say it I guess but NAA/Wilgy is sort of the 'easy' world as I think you pointed out recently.

But I'm not wasting words on Wilgy atm because there's nothing much to say. I think his general lack of activity is NAI and even if he's a wolf there's another in the crowd to find.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:40 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:28 pm I'm struggling with Jay lately. Everything seems clean on the surface. But if anyone is keeping my head under the surface D2 it's him, even as he protests it is not him. His initial reasons for SRing me were pretty basic. He's putting in tons of effort lately, but also, like...is it all that much? Quoting a bunch of posts then writing a paragraph summary of them? It's not busywork per se, but I don't think I'd effort-clear him for it, not for someone like Jay who eats isos for breakfast.


But I think I should re-read something (anything) before I start spitballing too much. People are allowed to misread me, and it makes sense in D2 in this gamestate to have me in their sights.

i hate to say it but i find this post and your last one about mac kinda wolfy

kinda feel like you’re just forcing yourself to write a bunch of words that actually don’t say much

I'm forcing myself to write words and thoughts that have floated in my brain today in order to try to get myself into the game again.

Oh we're using maths to solve are we.

Fun.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:27 pm okay but what if it’s like NAA/wilgy and we’re just imploding for no reason as both wolves do nothing? because that’s not even unlikely

nobody has been able to explain why wilgy is a villager still and i find the reasons why NAA is a villager unconvincing

NAA is doing town!him things on the surface, like throwing out a single read at a time and sticking to it, keeping a low volume, etc.

He played recently on CDC and had, like, two whole reads the entire game, and one was correct. So far in this game he's basically said 'Alison V, MR W' and he's batting .500 on that one too. (I guess lately he's daring to state opinions on others as well, but more as throw-outs rather than central aspects of his worldview.)

So like...yeah, he's in his town meta. But honestly that's not really enough to meta-read someone imo. I don't see anything he's posted that can't come from scum!him, knowing if he keeps a low profile we'll let him go for awhile.

My issue is that if it's just not him, and I can't say with much certainty it is, then I'm living in a hard world of Jay/C4/Dizzy/Nook and some of those combos don't make sense and it's gonna be a lot of effort to get it right if we're in LYLO or close to it.

I'm struggling with Jay lately. Everything seems clean on the surface. But if anyone is keeping my head under the surface D2 it's him, even as he protests it is not him. His initial reasons for SRing me were pretty basic. He's putting in tons of effort lately, but also, like...is it all that much? Quoting a bunch of posts then writing a paragraph summary of them? It's not busywork per se, but I don't think I'd effort-clear him for it, not for someone like Jay who eats isos for breakfast.


But I think I should re-read something (anything) before I start spitballing too much. People are allowed to misread me, and it makes sense in D2 in this gamestate to have me in their sights.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:21 pm yolo

We're such masons we even use the same phrase at the same time.

I should probably, like, iso someone before stating opinions, but yolo.

I've been mulling over Mac a lot lately. I'm trying to fit his actions into a narrative.

Scum!Mac survived D1 fairly easily albeit with sus draped over him. He comes into D2 with his team on the advantage (imagine a town chopping Alison hahahaha) and...goes on the attack against Jay(/Hally). He then backs off this, takes a thread break, and returns with different routes of solving. I suppose in this scenario, scum!Mac sensed he could be next on the block despite the Alison miss, and decides to go ham on a couple strong Towns for performance reasons, knowing how it could play out would lead to Jay/Hally calling him town for it. I think all of that fits well enough, actually? Like if someone would play that way it would be Mac. He has many different flavours to his scum meta, even if there are commonalities.

But the thing I can't quite get past is...the rest of it. He is the right amount of reluctant to let go of his Jay scumread at first, barely has thread presence for the middle portion of D2, then returns and takes a new direction in his solving and is even cooperative with Jay. That just feels real to me.

Without isoing anything to double check my impressions, I just want to call Mac town and risk being a fool. (Like of course he'd change his scum game after GoC - he couldn't risk approaching that meta at all - but this still feels organic.)

I have reasons to townread pretty much everyone, and a dearth of good reasons to scumread pretty much everyone.

This might be a symptom of me feeling out of sync with the game in general, but the fact that I'm now consensus scum within a small pool of possibilities makes me think the game is just harder than people realise.

I think all I can do for the remainder of today is make sure you guys don't chop me.

But also it's that which makes Hally a firm TR for me. We had a great run of v/v games last year that ended when I randed w and worked extremely hard to appear v to Hally specifically. The way they've approached me this game feels well within expectations - leaning me vill but hesitant to fully commit after CoV, then, lately, accepting me in the PoE and starting to solve a bit around that, yet seeming quietly reluctant to let go of that small part of them that still wants to read me vill. I haven't sensed any opportunism in how they've approached me.

I know this is not a controversial opinion; I just wanted to expound a bit.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:00 pm a radish/dizzy world would also explain why the game seems so hard and frustrating i guess

and if i’m being honest with myself, i’m probably the worst person to read dizzy and radishes because i always want them to be town, and especially this game because i only signed up for this so i could play with them again lol

Aw, now I feel bad for not being able to play as properly as I'd like.

Let's vote Dizzy first.

Oh we've solved the game? That's great.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:17 pm I'm playing in a subdued version of my 2015ish rage meta. Nobody recognizes it anymore I guess.

Rest assured though there was a time when I didn't write every post I make like a Nice Calm Boy. I might need to play with more animation like this if I am going to have fun (jury is still out, but I'm trying).

I do remember a different tone to you from S2, though I would never have described it as 'rage'.

I've been on board with Nook sus since like literally pg 1.

Everyone go do that and leave me alone.