The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:08 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:38 am Gg everyone. I had fun.


One thing:

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:37 am 5. There are no elements that I would define as bastard.

You don't define a conversion mechanic that's not public knowledge as a bit bastard? I'm not criticising exactly, as I had fun and I don't think it was dreadfully unbalanced or anything. But I sort of feel any sort of conversion, especially one unknown to town, is bastard, imo.

No, because the player was aware of the possibility of conversion from the beginning and their old wincon was compatible with their new wincon. In practice, it basically works as a lost wolf that can join later, which is not something that is considered bastard.

I guess I'm just looking at it from town's perspective where the lack of knowledge of conversion could impact solving which to me makes it a bit bastard.

Again, not criticising, and it's not like it changed the outcome. I guess I just have a different opinion on semantics of the term.

Thanks for the game!

Gg everyone. I had fun.


One thing:

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:37 am 5. There are no elements that I would define as bastard.

You don't define a conversion mechanic that's not public knowledge as a bit bastard? I'm not criticising exactly, as I had fun and I don't think it was dreadfully unbalanced or anything. But I sort of feel any sort of conversion, especially one unknown to town, is bastard, imo.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:59 pm Martin; Town, similar to MR where I assume the consensus on them is just a good look for them & therefore tis not my problem right now

I feel like Martin might need some revisiting depending on how next flip goes. He's sort of consensus but not in a very strong way imo. And recency bias blah blah but he's faded somewhat.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:26 am um
i'm gonna try to like. read at least some of the game before end of day tomorrow but i'm still not feeling well so no guarantees

is there someone who is like lock town in case I need to sheep vote tomorrow?

Consensus is that MR has their head on straight. I'd start there.

This is not a position I am used to being in. It's strange and I don't like it.

Not to be rutabaga, but sounds like a you problem. Should’ve tried being less towny

Normally people don't find me this towny. I don't entirely know what I'm doing differently. But next wolf game I am copy/pasting my posts from here.

I can’t put my finger on it. I don’t even recall meta on you, but the way you’re approaching the game doesn’t seem like it has agenda. Pointed statements, not afraid to put yourself out there. I do recall you generally being slanky in our past games, but I don’t think that’s an alignment thing.

Watch you be 3p or something.

I think I have a Socky for my 3P performance one year.

So yeah, watch.

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:54 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:12 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:09 pm rip radishes' difference check tho

It's ok you'll flip wolf and remind me I misread you and and MR's diff check will be fine

also wtf who says im flipping

[VOTE: Stick] aubergine

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:04 pm I could pester Radishes and shout about townreading him and add to his woes :^)

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:04 pm @Master Radishes who do you think has been the most vocal about townreading you?

No one. It was a sort of gradual consensus thing.

Probably

But one or more of you are definitely a wolf.

I would like to take this opportunity to point out I never stated a difference check.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:25 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:46 am

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:45 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm Theres 4 of you trying to kill my slot and my personal job is to make sure that either doesnt happen or it looks horrible for you all afterwards

hmmm

Dont hmmm me, reads, go

I have liked your entrance to be sure

Do you now. Hm. I'm not sure I do.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:24 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:26 am um
i'm gonna try to like. read at least some of the game before end of day tomorrow but i'm still not feeling well so no guarantees

is there someone who is like lock town in case I need to sheep vote tomorrow?

Consensus is that MR has their head on straight. I'd start there.

This is not a position I am used to being in. It's strange and I don't like it.

Not to be rutabaga, but sounds like a you problem. Should’ve tried being less towny

Normally people don't find me this towny. I don't entirely know what I'm doing differently. But next wolf game I am copy/pasting my posts from here.

I think Robyn has shown enough to earn a pass. Martin has faded but also not a choice for today. Wilgy has gotten attention today but again not a today thing.

Stick I'm still not sold on but willing to wait a bit more.

Delta/Porscha/LC is my pool.

All of you* are probably gonna be out partying for NYE and meanwhile my wife is gonna be asleep early and I'll be trying to keep the dog from barking at the fireworks.



*Except Wilgy

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:18 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:23 am I don't advise you folks to read Wilgy based on activity or investment in a game. He'll slank or lead the thread as town or mafia.

Ok I guess I am just giving Wilgy an activity read. He's just nothing like his recent Wolf game.

Seeing as both you and he predate me on the Syndicate I assume you two have shared more than a few games over the years. Do you have thoughts on his meta in relation to activity level?

I've seen Wilgy slank town, active town, and slank wolf. Never active wolf as I recall, but I'm pretty sure he can do it as per others' opinions of him. But if you disagree let me know.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:14 am

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:00 am if that's long con's scum game i'm disappointed

It's Long Con's "shouldn't have been in two concurrent games during busy holiday season" game.

I just couldn't find a handle to focus enough to play this one rught.

Okay I fully get that, but also why aren't you trying now? Like I've fallen out of games in this manner plenty before but if I'm going to post I'll at least try for a few chilly takes to try to get myself into the game a bit. I'll iso an easy case or ask someone to live post with me or something.

If you're town don't give up. If we can help pull you into the game let us know how.

I don't advise you folks to read Wilgy based on activity or investment in a game. He'll slank or lead the thread as town or mafia.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:06 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:00 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine

How serious is this

I don't know yet

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:00 am if that's long con's scum game i'm disappointed

He has a good scum game when he wants to. Haven't seen him play as scum in some time though.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:56 am everyone has LC in poe and i literally read the entire thread yesterday and i don't recall a single LC post, i ought to put him in poe

also this is premature but i am very inclined to just take delta as town and start pushing an active player [stick, wigly]

Why Delta town (in 300 words or less)?

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:58 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:57 am

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:56 am @Delta you despise creating difference check dichotomies - whyre you just agreeing with me on that when i havent even explained it yet

Because delta is a wolf.

Or because you are.

One of the two.

are you calling us...a difference check???

I was going to!

Then I realised 'we're both under fire, we better distance' is a plausible and likely convo in wolfchat after Delta subbed in and you had someone fun to play with.

So now there's a third option.

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:56 am @Delta you despise creating difference check dichotomies - whyre you just agreeing with me on that when i havent even explained it yet

Because delta is a wolf.

Or because you are.

One of the two.

Stick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:54 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:00 am That being the case, this is the cycle where we really need to attempt to quantify the value of removing unknown elements. If I follow PoE I'd be in the realm of Stick/LC/Baker as scummy where Robyn/Delta/Porscha are our null slots. Am I confident enough to hit a wolf in the scummy side of PoE? I'd give it like a 60/40 on stick and a 50/50 on the other two. The afk wolf theory at least puts Porscha and Delta up to 55/45 if we shoot in the realm of null. Robyn is still 50/50 as the afk wolf talk doesn't apply to them.

you know we share a lot of the same poe, you should stop trying to kill me

Clearly he's a wolf pocketing you.

I chose the word I chose.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:48 am The kids won't let me sleep tonight send help

Read out Robyn's wallpost to them

I think this is the first time I've played with Stick and Delta despite having to suffer them in spec chat for so many months.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:22 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:03 pm because sometimes the vibe seems alright but I can't think of a good reason to not scumread him either.

i'd like elaboration for this because i literally don't see how to reconcile this with my pov of baker. i just don't read him as wolfy at all and he comes off as very genuine

I mean same from me to you - what's so genuine about him? What posts scream 'town' to you? I don't see that at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:26 am um
i'm gonna try to like. read at least some of the game before end of day tomorrow but i'm still not feeling well so no guarantees

is there someone who is like lock town in case I need to sheep vote tomorrow?

Consensus is that MR has their head on straight. I'd start there.

This is not a position I am used to being in. It's strange and I don't like it.

I started typing out more things but no I'm going to bed.

I think Scotty? is my strongest townread. He's doing his own thing without being showy about it, and his general vibe of starting active but now seeming a bit lower energy tracks with what I'd expect of a townie who came into the game as normal but is feeling unmotivated the misfires and the lack of kills has created a strange gamestate where it feels like wheels are spinning in place.

Oh I meant to form a town!Garebare world based off that.

I should really write thoughts down as I think of them, because my mind is swiss cheese.


Anyway not going to do it now because it's too broad.

I think I need to see how D3 develops here. With Robyn in the game now and Porscha taking over a fading slot, we should, in theory, have new angles and discussion points.

So good night.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:21 am can you give some reads on all alive players, MR, with the assumption that garebare flips town

If Garebare is town we're possibly a little screwed tbh, but let's say he became inno child:

General vibe from both Scotty and Wilgy are active, solvy presences who are doing Things and are just dissimilar enough to my worldview that I'm not worried about being accidentally pocketed. They've also kept up their high presence level (this Day pending) when in a gamestate like this it'd be super easy for a wolg to not have to do. I've never seen either active-wolf before iirc though I believe they are good at it as per others' opinions. So like, I'm not locking either. And I note your sus on Wilgy and am keeping an open mind.

You and Porscha are tbd.

Stick I am still iffy on. Like some many everyone I will wrongly scumread townies and realise later I was overthinking certain things, but my issue with Stick remains less so individual posts/moments and more so the space she occupies in the game as a whole, which feels very on the sidelines despite her high post count. However, I am wary of anchoring my worldview around a singular scumread so I don't want to push this without considering other possibilities.

LC, Baker and Martin I am going back and forth on for different reasons. LC's just-kill-me attitude is bleh, but I don't know that he no-kills and doesn't at least try to make an effort here. Martin I just can't read, as his tone can come across as scummy sometimes but I'm fairly certain I've misread him in past games for that so I'm trying to parse his actions more so, but it's hard to not sometimes see an overly-explained point and think 'wolfy overexplanation' even though I know it might just be him being himself. And Baker seems kinda polarising here and I probably need to re-read more closely to make up my own mind, because sometimes the vibe seems alright but I can't think of a good reason to not scumread him either.

This was a bunch of useless words probably; I don't often like to lay out reads like this. But hey ho.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:58 pm And by association, I feel like garebear’s partner would be LOSING. THEIR. MIND. Wouldn’t surprise me if they came out swinging for Garebear this phase because he’s an actual liability for progressing the game state. OR has absolutely no wim the past day (LC/robyn/abbi). Maybe even Stick? But less so

I can definitely see a world where garebear is a wolf and their partner is pushing for their execution here.

Let's just play like it's a normal game and wait for it to all make sense later.

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:59 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:12 am It's fine, I'm useless this game. I'm sorry that I'm not a Wolf.

this is like, an actually jarring pov to have as a villager when we've had 2 misexes in a game this small already

I agree about LC.

Here's another perspective I also find jarring:

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:49 am honestly? no. ive been acting pretty wolfy so i get it

Oh I understand now.


Anyway will give reads later, maybe, if I feel like it. Poke me if I forget.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:04 am
P#444 martin sees baker as town. P#476 is a long post basically describing the fact that baker has had troubles entering the thread, which i agree with, he has dropped off and he made one towny posting spree which i tonaread based off sheer righteousness and emotions. I also don’t particularly see him as skilled enough to fake that kind of content especially reading a wolf game of his [for separate reasons like 3 months ago] and generally seeing him as a lame duck wolf who couldn’t post well at all [and also had difficulty entering the thread]

This bit just sounded like you had a meta basis.

You sort of explain these but I feel a focused explanation might be helpful considering they're not consensus:

Why is Baker strong town for you? Is it just a meta-based toneread?

Why is Wilgy so low for you? Is it mainly how he treated DM?

Fair. Maybe emphasise/highlight the bits you want us to take away? I read it mostly because I've got nothing better to do but it's still a wall of text.

Robyn was that big stream-of-conciousness wallpost intended for us or for you?

It feels a bit all over the map.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:22 am arson sounds plausible till it no longer explains why the lord protecter (eod1 flip) would have a 1-shot protection

like even if the mafia had an extra 1x night on the side besides the arson, you would have to be preety lucky to use the protection on a person who will be killed the same night of the attack

Yeah no I thought of that as soon as I posted it.

But my point is still that unknown mech is just as likely as an inactive scum team.

Maybe we're secretly being arsoned or something.

I hate voting off 0 posting slots. I find it suboptimal.

Also I dunno I'm willing to wait for a sub.

My issue with the slanky mafia theory is: who is garebear's partner? Who else is inactive enough to have forgotten a kill? I just don't really believe anyone is. Even Robyn showed awareness of the game being on and would've done something in 24h.

So even if garebear is mafia, which is perfectly reasonable, I don't think that necessarily explains the lack of NK because they'll have at least one partner who could've submitted.

Let's assume we all would.

Since no one died I say we pick up where we left off and kill Stick or Baker.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:10 pm stick/radishes

reads on one another + martin + scotty + dm

They all seem like swell people