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by Master Radishes
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:27 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:46 am I've not followed along much since my untimely death, but apologies to my teammates - I was excited to play again (it's been months) but had no time to do so, and it proved a combination that meant at first I didn't bother to think before posting and so my scumminess showed. :|

I need to redeem myself. I'll consider joining another game soon. :srsnod:
I enjoyed playing with you. <3
When I said we'd have made a great towncore I meant it. :beer:
by Master Radishes
Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

I've not followed along much since my untimely death, but apologies to my teammates - I was excited to play again (it's been months) but had no time to do so, and it proved a combination that meant at first I didn't bother to think before posting and so my scumminess showed. :|

I need to redeem myself. I'll consider joining another game soon. :srsnod:
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:43 pm :haha: :beer:

No but seriously, you're not doing it.
Who should be lynched?
Asked and answered ^^

Mac is also acceptable, but GTH TH is my stronger scum read in a vacuum.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:53 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not feeling the Jack or G-man wagons.

Will check in later.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:43 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pmNot at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now
What exactly would be "of note"?
Anything that helps to solve the game and find the scum.
You're not reading my posts.
:haha: :beer:

No but seriously, you're not doing it.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:39 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pmNot at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now
What exactly would be "of note"?
Anything that helps to solve the game and find the scum.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Let’s go with a nice rainbow list. Those tend to work well for me this game.


Follow ‘em to the end
Dizzy
Dom

Not entirely unhappy with
Sig
Juliets
Michelle
Epi
Colin
Jack – I don’t get the recent shade; I felt his case on Nutella felt naturally Jack-like, or at least not scum-like

Mushy middle
Sloonei – as mentioned, don’t know how to read him; at the moment feeling more + than - though
G-Man – gimmick aside, he’s just floating, but I don’t know if that’s necessarily scummy; as I type this, he explains it all again, so now I need to review…
Sprit – have paid him no attention this game
Speedchuk – low poster, need more to make a judgement
Nanook2.0 – seems different, but not necessarily scummy; TBD
Drago & Tranq – exist, apparently

Not at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now
Turnip – he’s sitting back a lot but clearly paying attention; that apparently fits his meta but I’m not convinced I’m seeing town here
Mac – for reasons many others have stated by now
Ted – has dropped down my list today; seemed too confident when defending Mac and to me that could be TMI
TSP – I know he’s been posting, but I actually don’t know what he’s done; I consider that not a good thing
SVS – must confess, a bit of a ‘vibes’ read here; early posts pinged me and I feel she began today clinging to my wagon too much, like she hoped it would be an easy out
Sabie – mainly for the bandwagon vote on Nutella; haven’t properly ISOed to make up my mind

Hope I got everyone.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:19 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Can someone summarise the case on Jack? I was skimming but must have missed how it started.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

I only have a few minutes here and there tonight, and won't be around for EoD (ever), so I'm going to work on some 'final' thoughts (although I'll pop in a bit later) and you can @ me with anything you want answered.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:11 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

@Ted - not going to go re-quote everything, because I think Nook already expressed what I had been trying to say. I think we were mis-communicating with each other re: Inception!Mac and derpclears. I misunderstood you a bit at first.

Still, I don't agree with your takes, and your confident tone came across to me as TMI about Mac's alignment. I can see you don't filter, so maybe that accounts for it? But I don't find your reasons for townreading Mac convincing.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

speedchuck wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:37 pm Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads.
Me too.

@Dizzy, I actually feel quite :sigh: about us, because I think we'd make a kickass towncore. I see and like the way you think the game. Too bad about the whole you-think-I'm-bad thing.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:34 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:31 am Of course I'm playing differently, I'm not planning to explode at the end of the day lol
Funny how that sort of thing changes a person.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:30 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

I kind of wanted to do ISOs of Sabie, Dom, and Mac for their votes on nutella, but I also kind of wanted to spend my weekend with my wife.

I also think one of my perpetual cling-ons, e.g. Sloonei, Dizzy, SVS, are likely scum riding the wave of anti-Radishism this game, knowing they won't get blowback for it and/or thinking I'm on scum team B. But looking there is lower priority at the moment.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:26 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Michelle wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:16 am How convinced is everyone that Nanook came back in green slot?
I'm letting this sit in the back of my mind. I do feel Nook's playing a bit differently, but there could be a few reasons for that. Also, despite this being my third game with him, we've not played more than, I think, 3 or 4 rounds together due to our various demises.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:24 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

I wasn’t really following along the argument against Colin yesterday as I was busy doing my own ISOs. So I’m taking a look now.

ColinIsCool
Colin was quiet most of D1. His most notable post was agreeing with Epi that Juliets was sketchy. He also gave a thinking-face-emoji to one of Michelle’s posts.

During N1, he gave a few more reads. Nothing much. He stuck to his Michelle and Juliet scum leans and didn’t expand on that, except to give me a passing ‘bad vibes’ mention too. Could be seen as stale reads and some opportunistic groundwork-laying for my vote. Not enough so to properly ping me, though.

As heat picks up, he dismisses it by saying he always plays carelessly and that he’s bad at mafia. This continues later too, suggesting people are pushing his mislynch. That’s his main defence, which isn’t a great one, but also fits with what I remember of Colin from Inception, where he faced the same thing and I do think the mafia took the opportunity to kick him down a level.

He votes Tony based on Dizzy’s point about Tony voting off-wagon. Fair enough. A bit odd, considering all the other meaty things, but still an okay reason IMO.

I mean…there’s not much more to engage with here. He argues a bit with some of his accusers, stands by his reads on Tony and juliets, insists people always mislynch him, etc.

Posts like this and this (last line mainly) are a bit bleh, and I can see scum writing them. But posts like this and this do show he’s thinking things through; there’s a level of insight, even in those short posts, that I don’t think a mafia goes to if defending himself.

Basically, if I read Colin assuming scum, yeah, I can see it. But if I read him assuming a townie who’s quiet, keeping up, but only commenting on things he particularly vibes with…yeah, I can see that too. And considering my limited knowledge of his meta, I do believe that he's often mislynch bait.


Leaning town on Colin.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:46 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Sloonei wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:31 am Also @mac some people have alluded to your treatment of Jack/nutella on Day 1 as opportunistic or somehow suspicious. Jay and sig mentioned it, I think. Maybe nanook too? Addressing your mindset there might help.
:disappoint:

I'm so hipster it hurts.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:41 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Add-on to previous thoughts:

This doesn't prevent scum being on Mac's push, of course. He's not wrong that a few people would be happy to take him out of the game this way.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:37 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

I'm good with a Mac lynch, both for self-pres reasons and his D1 progression on jack/nutella. His reaction to his wagon today is not convincing me otherwise: I see a lot of things I've said in previous games when scum!me was low-activity and wasn't happy to become a target.
by Master Radishes
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:32 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Hold on. If Mac flips wolf, Ted may have just outed himself as his teammate.
tedxtr wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:48 am In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.
'His posts stuck out...' - yeah, for you reading in retrospect, sure. If they were that obvious, why didn't he get lynched right away?

And also, context is necessary. Inception was a game Mac had invited a lot of his new Champs friends to, and he presumably had more time to play. I'm not at all surprised he's playing differently here regardless of alignment.
tedxtr wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:57 am I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.
First, the tone seems too confident about Mac being town.

Secondly, why push G-Man as your counter example instead of me? I've been far more bandied about as a lynch. I actually don't know that this is scummy, but it's odd.

Third, you think Mac trying to engage with Sig refutes him being Saitama? I guess no one has ever lied in a game of Mafia before. :haha:


Honestly, this defence feels a bit straw-graspy and is also quite confident about Mac's 'town' alignment, and I question whether a townie would write it. :|
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:39 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 245850

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:34 pm @Master Radishes what do you mean when you say that my style is “closed off”? I make a deliberate effort to foster an open and communicative thread environment.
It's late here and I'm probably going to articulate this poorly, but,

Your style of asking so many questions means I never know what you're thinking. Your posts tend to be short, meaning there's less to read into them. I find the tone of your posts...I dunno, placid. Stuff like that, in some combination.

I'm sure I'll 'get you' eventually.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:32 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:03 pm Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.
I am inclined to agree with this. Tonally I do feel like Radishes is playing a similar game to Inception. Also, question for him or for the thread, but when he ISO’d a bunch of people nobody else was talking about, why did he pick those people? Was it prompted?
They were the wagon voters on me last round, ergo potential scum slots.

If I sound similar to Inception, are you saying I'm 3P again?
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:25 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm Actually, the fact I'm surprised Jay has so many posts is concerning, considering I don't remember him leading us anywhere, only hopping on the Radishes wagon after everyone else already did.
What do you remember from any player in this game thread that you haven't just ISO'd? I haven't read everything yet, but I dunno what you think of anyone.
Then you're not actually reading my posts, just voting for me. Interesting.
I'll restate a concrete gripe: after engaging in a good amount of direct conversation with Sloonei on Day 1, you provided a read on him:

Spoiler: show
Master Radishes wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:17 pm To save a post, I'll complete my ISO of Sloonei here:

Basically gonna cop out and say: :shrug: I think I need meta and/or just to wait for later rounds to read him properly. Over half his posts are questions to other players, most of which aren't then followed up. (Already discussed above - not a fan of it.)

But then there are moments where he's clearly not afraid to prod others, e.g. with ted early on ('like he was trying to shove me away'), or sig shortly after that (what 'antsy' means). He's equally not interested in letting bad lines of inquiry play out (Nanook's 'satire' post; Radishes' use of 'baddie') which he suggests shutting down in both cited cases. He also banters when he sees an opportunity ('Mac's big D' etc) which shows he's loose, even as the game began to turn more serious.

But, as ever, caveats and all that. This isn't un-fakeable by any means.

So Sloonei remains pretty null for me until I see more. I'm not TRing him, but at the moment not inclined to vote here.

This all looks like filler. I see various reasons why you might view Sloonei as a civilian and no reasons why you might view him as a mafioso save for the vague "caveat" and "un-fakeable" stuff. It's meaningless. You talk with him often, you ISO him, you say all this about him, and the payoff is "null".

This isn't my only concern with you, but it's a good summary of why I suspect you. This kind of thing is apparent throughout your content.
I'm not allowed to be uncertain how to read another player? On D1?

Sloonei's style I find to be closed off. I don't have a good handle on what to make of him. So sue me.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:05 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pmAfter spending some time on jack & nutella’s little ditty, his vote on me comes a bit out of nowhere. He shaded me earlier, so there’s that, but he arrives back in the thread to hop on my wagon after it’s already grown in a little spurt. Very opportunistic moment, basically. Only explains it later, and for reasoning I find poor. Like, making a deal out of the ‘4th vote = scum’ thing? Come on. It reads like he scanned the thread for a few things to say that others already have about me.
At least twice now you've referenced my suspicion of you only in terms of the least important point (the "4th voter") thing. In so doing, you have left the substantive digs hanging -- your handling of me and your handling of Sloonei. I am reminded of the dummy scroll moment from Romance of the Three Kingdoms that helped me to catch BadMac.
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pmBut then back to more one-line soft reads. The most egregious one I find to be this, which is just…weak. It’s meant to be jokey, but in the context of Jay’s larger play this game strikes me wrongly. Then, despite all his one-off reads here and there, he lands back on me as a vote.
"The most egregious one-line soft read" you've referenced here is not a read at all. I asked Jack a question. What?
A - I was pointing out the most egregious (word of the day, apparently) example from your justification. The rest sounds like a summary of the work others did for you.

B - poor wording re: calling it a 'read', but you know what I mean obviously.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:07 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm As ever, my lack of meta knowledge could factor in here – is TH playing his normal town game? Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card and refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.

Definite scum lean.
In recent memory Turnip Head has rarely been one to play the game loudly -- quiet but attentive is an apt description of him. I'd say he is on-meta. How does this impact your read?
Quiet is one thing. Is it on meta to give no reasoning behind his thoughts?
Yes. Absolutely. Same question
Eh, my read doesn't really change. Scummy play is scummy play. But when it came to voting I would bow to others who know him better saying 'that's just his meta' for now. In Inception I heavily scumread Juliets but allowed myself to be convinced it was just her meta, and that turned out well. (Of course, people said the same about Eva and I got the last laugh there, so...)
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:01 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm I don't know if I've ever seen a bad turnip.
All turnips are a bit bad compared to radishes.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm As ever, my lack of meta knowledge could factor in here – is TH playing his normal town game? Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card and refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.

Definite scum lean.
In recent memory Turnip Head has rarely been one to play the game loudly -- quiet but attentive is an apt description of him. I'd say he is on-meta. How does this impact your read?
Quiet is one thing. Is it on meta to give no reasoning behind his thoughts?
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pm JaggedJimmyJay
My comb will be less fine a tooth here because it’s a lot more posts than TH or Michelle, and I have less time.
Well that turned into a lie.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:58 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay
My comb will be less fine a tooth here because it’s a lot more posts than TH or Michelle, and I have less time.

Jay seems fine at first, actually. Some banter, some early half-serious-half-not reads. One I quite like is this one. Everything else is fairly straightforward, and nothing that a scum can’t also say. Shades me a bit early, so that’s something.

This continues. A lot of little reads like this and this and this to pick three I happen to be staring at on my screen as I start typing this. Again, very much posts a scum can make to blend in. Maybe I just expect too much of my old Champs foe, but very bland stuff at this point. I just…I don’t see anything he’s doing to actually advance the game state. A lot of ‘tell me about…’ and questions and such.

After spending some time on jack & nutella’s little ditty, his vote on me comes a bit out of nowhere. He shaded me earlier, so there’s that, but he arrives back in the thread to hop on my wagon after it’s already grown in a little spurt. Very opportunistic moment, basically. Only explains it later, and for reasoning I find poor. Like, making a deal out of the ‘4th vote = scum’ thing? Come on. It reads like he scanned the thread for a few things to say that others already have about me.

He is consistent in TRing Juliets, expresses displeasure with speedchuk and G-man, gives a couple brief reads on others like Dom and Tony…nothing worth noting. He does give a decent case against speedchuk. I mean, I could quibble that some of it looks a bit padded, e.g. saying a joke post gave a bad vibe. But some of it looks halfway decent. There’s also, later, a similar ISO on Michelle that seems okay too.

But then back to more one-line soft reads. The most egregious one I find to be this, which is just…weak. It’s meant to be jokey, but in the context of Jay’s larger play this game strikes me wrongly. Then, despite all his one-off reads here and there, he lands back on me as a vote.



I saw in a quoted post Dizzy say Jay’s not ‘packing a punch’ and is staying in the background, and yeah, that’s exactly it. I’d add on his vote on me was one of the more wagony ones and his latest vote feels like one made to push my easy wagon again. He’s not working to solve anyone else first.

Scum lean.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Fine, I'll do a quick reads list before I go.

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S


Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head


ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm Actually, the fact I'm surprised Jay has so many posts is concerning, considering I don't remember him leading us anywhere, only hopping on the Radishes wagon after everyone else already did.
What do you remember from any player in this game thread that you haven't just ISO'd? I haven't read everything yet, but I dunno what you think of anyone.
Then you're not actually reading my posts, just voting for me. Interesting.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:57 pm
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Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

But I'm out of time for now. If my wife falls asleep when we're watching TV I'll return in a few hours to properly ISO Jay.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Actually, the fact I'm surprised Jay has so many posts is concerning, considering I don't remember him leading us anywhere, only hopping on the Radishes wagon after everyone else already did.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Wait, how has Jay posted this much? I don't remember so much from him.

My time runneth out. I may not finish this ISO.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:46 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Michelle
Michelle spends awhile dwelling on ice cream. When she returns, she (I’m not quoting all these) clears Jack for not shading her for being absent, calls JJJ a villager for pressuring so many people, calls Sig a villager for the way he explains his thoughts, calls Sloonei good for the logic in his posts. Says Nanook and I giving her odd vibes. Says one of SVS’ posts comes from a civ mindset. Shades Nutella for wanting a Dizzy vs Sloonei fight. Says she’s not impressed with me like she was in Inception.

So basically a lot of reads being given, all with brief reasoning. Thus, when she finally votes me, there’s a sense of progression, even if it is vote #4(!).

She does defend Nutella later for having strong emotions, which she calls villagery. Declares she would not lynch Nutella. That’s…quite strong. Hard to interpret in a multiball, as normally I’d accuse Michelle of trying to gain future town cred, but scum!Michelle would surely be okay with a Nutella lynch.

Responds to sig’s accusations with a bit about short play time, ending with ‘if this makes me scum, you can do what you like’. That’s a sort of wording I usually see from scum.

In N1/D2, she starts a case on Colin and gets a bit touchy with TH and goes on to vote him. I’m also not immune, but that’s standard by this point.


So overall, a couple points that make me go ‘hmm’. But overall I find it more likely that I’m seeing a townie puzzle things out. Her vote one me is less wagony than it appears at first glance, and she’s clearly come to similar conclusions about TH as me.

Town lean here.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:22 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Forgot to add: TH is also, I think, the only person to be on both mine and Nutella's wagons. He joined each in the moment where they shot to prominence.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:19 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Turnip Head
Quiet during the early game. He called one of my posts ‘scummy’ but did not expand. It was only a day later, after a couple others had voted me, that he finally did as well. As mentioned previously, this can easily be interpreted as not being willing to commit until it was ‘safe’ to do so because others were already voting me. He later switched to Nutella, simply stating why not. He takes the time to implicate Dom as Nutella’s teammate but admits it could be refuted. (He did then say in the next post it was Dom’s bussing her ‘to an extent’, which is an odd qualifying statement.)

The rest of his posts are basically high quality analysis such as ‘G-Man good’ and ‘Colin bad probably’ and ‘[Sabie] town tho’. These sort of posts come across to me as someone trying to look like he doesn’t care. Key word there is ‘trying’.

The post that caught my eye today was this one, where he accuses Michelle of ‘possible teammate distancing?’ of me and Colin. That post pings me. It feels forced, and I doubt get the townie motivation; I do, however, get a scum motivation to plant seeds of doubt.

TH’s reads are stale across the rounds, too. I’ve been bad since the first moment, for example, whereas Jack and Sabie have been town throughout. (Not quoting the little posts where he mentions a handful of reads like ‘Jack town’.) The only read I can spot that has changed is Dom, who he has recently called town. Otherwise there’s no evolution.


As ever, my lack of meta knowledge could factor in here – is TH playing his normal town game? Because what I see is someone trying to affect the ‘quiet but paying attention’ card and refusing to give much away to avoid getting involved in discussions.

Definite scum lean.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:34 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

I took a glance at my own wagon. It fluctuated and built up to the final total of 6 more gradually, but there was one moment where there was a relative barrage of votes, which means that's where the scum will try to hide to blend in.

Sloonei had voted me long earlier, but Dizzy reignited the wagon with a vote. Almost immediately and without explanation Turnip Head jumps on. Not too long later Michelle, Ted, and Jay also vote for me, all with little to no justification. At that point I remain a popular talking point but a couple (Dizzy, TH) switch off and others later join.


So there are four clear wagon votes:

Turnip Head – shaded me earlier with a simple ‘scummy tbqh’ to one of my posts, but did not vote me until after Dizzy did and my wagon suddenly became a viable one. My initial reaction is that he wasn't brave enough to push me as a candidate himself, but felt better seeing others vote me first. Not a good look. (Would later switch to Nutella of course.)

Michelle – because I didn’t give her the villager feeling I had in Inception; Michelle had not discussed me before this that I noticed, so I don't know where this vote progressed from

Ted – kept posting about other things before and after voting me, like he didn’t care; inclined to see this as a villagery attitude

Jay – voted, then left for hours without saying why; later returned to explain with, uh, pretty bad evidence, IMO (e.g. my ‘4th voter’ thing, which was obviously not serious).


My other voters (Sloonei, Dizzy, SVS) were consistent in their reads on me, and did not feel opportunistic. I also strongly TR Dizzy and am neutral+ on the other two.

I'll give Ted a glance, but his lack of justification despite remaining active in thread is not a look of someone hiding something. The other three are more problematic and I'll look there first.
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 2]

Holy **** Liverpool may actually lose. :eek:
by Master Radishes
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:32 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:49 am I don't care much about hearing your response to any of these points, Master Radishes, if that would be your inclination.
A lot of it is too subjective to respond to anyway. I'm not going to waste my time trying to un-tunnel you.

But two things:

-Since I never did follow it up, the nutella thing was based on her opening post. I liked her early tone, so did a quick spot-check ISO to confirm if I did, and her opening post felt like she was trying to match the casual tone of a townie with nothing to worry about. But that's such a weak read for N0 that I wanted to wait and see how things developed. That's not scummy - that's how N0 goes. :rolleyes:
I would definitely have voted her over Jack, not to mention over me, but I don't vote in self-defence unless I have to because I prefer to still try to, you know, play the game first.


-I don't think it's fair to be deemed scum for being 'listless' on N0/D1 when I'm playing on what is still a new forum to me with a bunch of people I barely/don't know. I'm not an Eva who bulldozes in to any game. This is a poor indicator of scum, IMO, unless it's based on meta, and you don't have that on me.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:19 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

S~V~S wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:12 pm
Spoiler: show
Master Radishes wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pmAt its peak moment [...]
I'm kind of puzzled by this analysis tbh. If you are town, which you would assume that you are, then I don't see why scum would care either way whether you or Nut was lynched. In fact, I would think scum would either a) vote off wagons to not make waves and not make themselves targets (which they could be no matter what the lynched players flip) or b) vote because they sincerely believe the player to be scum. I don't know why scum would need to look for especially "opportunistic" reasons to vote someone. I mean, sure, anyone but their team. But if you are town, then why care among the two of you?
I mean, sure, it's an unusual wagon to analyse, as in a 'real' round we might have seen some last minute vote-switching and all that.

But the general mentality of a scum wanting to 'blend in' remains, and so scum would try to nudge a wagon from a non-teammate along if the opportunity presented itself, especially a player as respected as nutella. Also, since nutella's sprung up relatively quickly, that likely would have pushed a scum to act 'quickly' to join in or not. (I put in ' ' because I'm speaking in terms of thread progression, not real time necessarily.)

I don't think it really matters that this is multiball. If a baddie sees a wagon, they'll be tempted to join.

I don't really understand what my wagon has to do with anything. Obviously the same rule applies - there are scum on it too. But I haven't analysed it for reasons already stated (my opinions would be questioned by the rest of you and the nature of the wagon formation was more gradual and thus harder to properly analyse, IMO.)


I have no idea if this answered your point, because of the aforementioned wine and my refusal to re-read your quoted post. But I don't see why the validity of analysing the nutella-wagon is being questioned. I've played this game for over a decade, it's a well-established rule of thumb, and **** you all for not believing me.

(I went for appeal to authority, logic, *and* emotion there!)
I am confused, I have seen plenty of wagons on Day one that consisted completely of civs. This feels like an over analysis of a moot point.

Personally, I think Nutella was going to be able to talk her way out of it since Jack was backing off (this is prolly why Nanook nuked her) and you would have been lynched. The vote moving was just about to start. I think you're trying to make a something out of a nothing, and I don't find it a good look.

I've played this game for over a decade, too. Stop showing off, lol.
So are you saying all nutella votersa re civs, or are you just tunneling me and going to argue with my point no matter what? I don't get this resistance to what is a fairly straightforward analysis.

It doesn't matter what would have happened after. Mafia are mafia throughout the round, and will act as such throughout the round.

The decade thing was tongue in cheek.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:05 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:37 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pmAt its peak moment [...]
I'm kind of puzzled by this analysis tbh. If you are town, which you would assume that you are, then I don't see why scum would care either way whether you or Nut was lynched. In fact, I would think scum would either a) vote off wagons to not make waves and not make themselves targets (which they could be no matter what the lynched players flip) or b) vote because they sincerely believe the player to be scum. I don't know why scum would need to look for especially "opportunistic" reasons to vote someone. I mean, sure, anyone but their team. But if you are town, then why care among the two of you?
I mean, sure, it's an unusual wagon to analyse, as in a 'real' round we might have seen some last minute vote-switching and all that.

But the general mentality of a scum wanting to 'blend in' remains, and so scum would try to nudge a wagon from a non-teammate along if the opportunity presented itself, especially a player as respected as nutella. Also, since nutella's sprung up relatively quickly, that likely would have pushed a scum to act 'quickly' to join in or not. (I put in ' ' because I'm speaking in terms of thread progression, not real time necessarily.)

I don't think it really matters that this is multiball. If a baddie sees a wagon, they'll be tempted to join.

I don't really understand what my wagon has to do with anything. Obviously the same rule applies - there are scum on it too. But I haven't analysed it for reasons already stated (my opinions would be questioned by the rest of you and the nature of the wagon formation was more gradual and thus harder to properly analyse, IMO.)


I have no idea if this answered your point, because of the aforementioned wine and my refusal to re-read your quoted post. But I don't see why the validity of analysing the nutella-wagon is being questioned. I've played this game for over a decade, it's a well-established rule of thumb, and **** you all for not believing me.

(I went for appeal to authority, logic, *and* emotion there!)
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:58 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

juliets wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:11 am Master Radishes, I know you said it is hard to pick the most suspicious vote for nutella but in your opinion it is sabie. Is there something specific you saw there that causes you to pick her? I have trouble reading her at this point in a game so would like to know what you saw. My apologies if you've answered this somewhere and I missed it.
All nute voters except Jack have the potential to be scum joining the wagon, IMO. I felt that as per given justification, sig's was the poorest, but since I've actually felt his play overall has been solid, then sabie comes in second, since she was a clear hop-on towards the 'end' of the wagon (not that we knew it would be the end, of course). Dom fits there too, but I've liked his play, at least based on my single-game meta of Dom from Inception. I don't know what to think of TH yet, I've expressed my conflicted feelings about Mac, and Epi I'm giving the benefit of the doubt because he sort of strikes me as the type to vote without saying why when town.

So somewhat by PoE but also positioning within wagon, I'd give sabie the side-eye first.

As others have pointed out, this is an unusual wagon to analyse, though, so I'm hesitant to commit to any such read. We need more from her first.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:53 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

Except not because it's my bed time.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:53 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

We accidentally stumbled on to a free wine tasting event.

Actually, this is probably a good time to AMA.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:46 pm
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

I chose to spend time with my wife tonight instead of playing mafia. :pout:
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:07 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

Edit to my previous vote count, now that I've seen the poll:

Mac voted for Nutella in the poll but didn't call it in thread. So I'm not sure where his vote fits in chronologically, but that lessens my suspicion at thinking he sussed without voting.
by Master Radishes
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:57 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:17 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 pm Yeah, I was just here to post gifs.
I'm with Radish that Nut wagon probably has scum. I mean, scum is like half the game anyway. Lol this game. But also, he should also consider that the same would apply to him if he is ALLEGEDLY town. Yeah, I saw him mentioned this in a later post.

Anyway. It depends on who got scum rules and all, but the more non descriptive quiet folks are the ones I want to see more from. Scum be hiding there often. Also scum likes to be off wagons too, so..

Good night, all.
I'm trying to find Radish mentioning that he could apply the same method to his own wagon and I don't see it. Do I understand you correctly?

Anyway the point is valid. It's goofy to focus on the nutella wagon as the competing wagon.
Master Radishes wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:37 pm But the baddies don't know who the civs are either. (There, I said 'civs'.)

So we say Scum Team A knows nutella is not one of them. Therefore they have no issue seeing her go. There were only three proper wagons - nute, Jack, me - and Jack's went stale and died off. Members of Scum Team A, doing the usual thing, will 'spread out' a bit. They won't coordinate exactly, but the odds of at least one of them slipping into an easy vote are high. (And, equally likely, at least one of my voters is from Scum Team A as well, regardless of what you consider my own alignment to be.)


Basically, I'm playing the odds/going off many years' experience. Nutella had at least one scum voter on her somewhere.
Obviously I recognise the same applies to my wagon.

Equally obviously you all think I'm scum and would not credit my opinions on the validity of votes against myself, especially considering the reasons generally came down to 'bad impression' and 'feeling forced' and such. (You're all going to say 'of course we would' but everything I'd say about my own voters would be countered with 'but if you're scum, then...')

Also, the wagon on me had a different flow to it. Nutella's was mainly in a sudden burst; mine was a more gradual build-up, and so is harder to properly analyse, in my opinion.

I have thoughts about my voters, but they stay in my head for now.

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