The Syndicate

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:19 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:17 pm Is there really much point in creating a counterwagon for the sake of having one, though?
I think so.
When you have a wolf who's pretty much dead to rights in the thread, why does there need to be a counterwagon? If you'd answered that you thought there should be a counterwagon on Alison because Alison was wolfy, at least that would be reasonable, because then you have a reason to vote somewhere that just happens to not be the main wagon. But despite pushing Alison for several days, as I had, you answered that you thought there should be a counterwagon.

I voted Alison because I genuinely thought she was pushing me in bad faith, and that her unmoving PoE following the Brad flip indicated w/w wagons. I originally voted her, but I thought both she and Brad were wolfy, and I did not move my vote to Brad to create a counterwagon. I moved it because I thought Brad was burying himself at that point, and frankly I probably would've moved back to Alison had she been the larger wagon, because I *didn't* want there to be close wagons. Maybe it's because I'm used to playing on a site that's majority-only (and plurality results in a no-lunch), but I didn't want the wagons to become tied. I think forcing wagons to exist for the sake of existing is pointless, if there's no good reasoning behind them.

I think counterwagons allow for opportunities regardless of the situation. Knowing as we do now that it's multiball and we likely only had 2 from any given scumteam in the thread, it was probably useless after all. But on principle I like dangling counterwagons because it can sometimes tempt wolves to manouvre around them, if the conditions are right.

I also thought Alison was wolfy. I can believe these two things simultaneously, can I not?

(I was going to try to read back on things tomorrow. Didn't have time today.)

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:19 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I've changed my mind. I think Wilgy is doing actual casework and Radishes is not.

I don't need to. Or want to. Or both.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:17 pm Is there really much point in creating a counterwagon for the sake of having one, though?

I think so.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:40 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:24 pm 4 have chimed in saying it's likely me without saying why lol.

Feels arbitrary and a repeat of Nook's yeet.
I'm actually not 100% sold on it being you. I'm still working through it.

It's primarily a PoE narrowing but I think you're a potential Landlord because Brad never mentioned or interacted with you at all. imo you're a little less likely to be an Arbiter based on falcon treatment but i haven't gone through Rico's or Lemon's ISOs yet, and I think Lemon's will be the most relevant to look through because she was also in East facility.

I'm not married to this take and I'm happy to discuss stuff with you to see if I reach a different conclusion. I feel like I didn't give Nook enough of a chance in terms of that, like I interacted with him toward eod but not enough before that, and I think that mightve made a difference in my level of confidence on him.

I guess if we have to just yeet the players that had minimal Brad interaction, that's fine, but I'm finding it very strange that you still tr MR's interactions with Brad in spite of the day 1 poll, MR being the only non villager element on the villager cw.

It just feels bad to me.
I suppose it's because Windy is better than you at reading associations.

It was a CW of like..3 votes? Brad was obviously going down. A wolf partner is far more likely to bus than try to prop up a counterwagon on their lonesome.
I'll double check, but I remember thinking that you're joining the cw wasn't at a point where it was firm for Brad going down like 3 to 5?

If there was actually no momentum shift, then I'll probably need to reread.

I don't remember specifically, but I just remember thinking Brad was the likely elim and I went for creating a counterwagon for reasons of science and such.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:51 am I don't have to see a fucking football or read a word about football again until fall.

I am gleeful. I want to do somersaults. Alas, I am old and tired and will do myself a misCHIEF.
You know, it's really great of Taylor Swift to use her celebrity to make the Superbowl so popular.
Because promoting concussions is cool I guess

The joke I made may have gone over yours (and likely others') head, I guess.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:48 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm (and radish could still be the arbiter)
?

I think you have this backwards. I have few hard associations with Landlords, but I'm definitely not an Arbiter. Falcon was clearly annoyed with me and I kept bringing Lemon's name up into conversation.
I do not really like this post. If you're town, you should be more confident in not being a part of either of those factions

I'm quite confident, but I don't see why that has to stop me from exploring why nutella's hypothetical is obviously incorrect.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:20 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:24 pm 4 have chimed in saying it's likely me without saying why lol.

Feels arbitrary and a repeat of Nook's yeet.
I'm actually not 100% sold on it being you. I'm still working through it.

It's primarily a PoE narrowing but I think you're a potential Landlord because Brad never mentioned or interacted with you at all. imo you're a little less likely to be an Arbiter based on falcon treatment but i haven't gone through Rico's or Lemon's ISOs yet, and I think Lemon's will be the most relevant to look through because she was also in East facility.

I'm not married to this take and I'm happy to discuss stuff with you to see if I reach a different conclusion. I feel like I didn't give Nook enough of a chance in terms of that, like I interacted with him toward eod but not enough before that, and I think that mightve made a difference in my level of confidence on him.

I guess if we have to just yeet the players that had minimal Brad interaction, that's fine, but I'm finding it very strange that you still tr MR's interactions with Brad in spite of the day 1 poll, MR being the only non villager element on the villager cw.

It just feels bad to me.

I suppose it's because Windy is better than you at reading associations.

It was a CW of like..3 votes? Brad was obviously going down. A wolf partner is far more likely to bus than try to prop up a counterwagon on their lonesome.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm (and radish could still be the arbiter)

?

I think you have this backwards. I have few hard associations with Landlords, but I'm definitely not an Arbiter. Falcon was clearly annoyed with me and I kept bringing Lemon's name up into conversation.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:51 am I don't have to see a fucking football or read a word about football again until fall.

I am gleeful. I want to do somersaults. Alas, I am old and tired and will do myself a misCHIEF.

You know, it's really great of Taylor Swift to use her celebrity to make the Superbowl so popular.

Oh and how long do we let TSP be TSP, because I don't think we want him in F3 or anything either.

If this isn't a hit, I think Sig and Delta could probably still use some more attention. Wilgy too.

Not going to stay up for the flip.

Shh, he's here.

Hi Sloonei!

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:14 pm Sick, can I be confirmed not mafia now?
this lmao, it's essentially a naked 3p claim

Yeah, I think it makes sense. Sorta had it in the back of my mind since he posted the ones I quoted.

Anyway, might be something to focus on sooner or later.

I also don't think Sloonei is Mafia tbh, but 3P is more likely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:25 am Lynch Sloonei please.
I will not fight it, but it would not yield the result Town Epi is hoping for.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:29 am I assure you I am playing this game with town's best interests at heart.

My emergency button is 'everyone'. Not sure there's anyone I ride or die with. Maybe Windy.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:12 pm exciting thread

We shouldn't have killed so many wolves. Now we're too confident.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Alright let's just do this then.

For once maybe I'll be on the correct wagon instead of always trying to find a counterwagon.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:18 pm I bet one of wilgy/nanook is arbiter and the other is landlord and that's that

Yeah. And if not maybe Delta. No reason it has to have been an even East/West split tbh.

Good thing GoC doesn't have any history of a wolf team getting decimated then the last wolf soloing it to victory.

Making me change my vote. Rude.

If I had a worry despite the many dead wolves, it's that the widely townread slots aren't really dying. They were in the East Facility but not so much here.

Just something for future us to worry about though.

Ignore me on Nanook. My raisining could easily be wrong. It's nothing substantial.

I just think broadly speaking the consensus has been correct and Lemon was fairly consensus so yeah that's a fine vote.

[VOTE: lemonfairy] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:30 pm Assuming Ricochet was killed by the landlords, I doubt whoever doing so did so with the intent of shooting a wolf, as I don't think anyone expressed a strong wolfread of them as of late. I mean, it is possible they had mechanical evidence against Ricochet but never confronted them in-thread as they were afraid of crossfire, but that's pure speculation at this point. They may have been killed for their reads (or another standard reason like PR hunting, although I'm not sure how wolves would do this when claiming isn't allowed (again, discounting the possibility that they had mechanical evidence)) though unfortunately their D2 material is basically unreadable.

Generally agree I don't think it was a shot at a wolf target. Maybe Rico's emoji-energy 'solving' made the Landlords nervous. I dunno.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:10 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:10 pm Wait lmao how did I miss that post
?

The flip. I guess it happened as I was replying to a couple things and I only noticed because you said something.

Wait lmao how did I miss that post

Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Windy

But they're stupid anyway. If Windy says kill Nook, we can follow.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:24 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:37 am I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.
I have reason to believe otherwise
I am begging you both to elaborate

Hard to elaborate about raisins

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:57 pm Dónde está la biblioteca?

Me llamo T-Bone, la arana discoteca

Both of you are wrong

Tbh a lot of consensus PoE slots have been correct. We should probably kill Lemon or maybe DM if we're thinking Easterners.

N3 was clearly Arbiter kill on Abi (a Landlord). Sabi was never a MK and so was something else.

N4 was probably a Landlord kill on Rico (an Arbiter). I don't get why a town vig kills Rico. So Dizzy was someone else, probably a townie with a personal tinfoil on Dizzy. Off the top of my head if I think of who might make that kill...

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I know this breaks the 'East Facility' voting rule but shrug.

I think there's a chance Nanook is town but it's for stupid raisins.

Anyway for real going sleepy bye zzz

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:17 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:16 pm I don't really get how anyone is looking at me/falcon and seeing us as wolf partners.

But maybe I'm just looking at it from us being old friends or something.
Idk I think you're just obvious town smh

I mean I am of course.

But also just like...falcon was clearly trying to appeal to me specifically knowing I could potentially shield him if he won me over. And like yeah I didn't vote him in the end, but I did zero to stop it from happening either. So like what was wolf me doing?

Personal perspective bias I guess.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:16 pm Been following along periodically and don't have anything to add really. Just want to see cape flip atp

Why you so quiet

I don't really get how anyone is looking at me/falcon and seeing us as wolf partners.

But maybe I'm just looking at it from us being old friends or something.

Think I'll just go to bed. I need my beauty sleep.

[VOTE: Cape90] aubergine

I was going to vote Lemonfairy just to make a viable counterwagon but the voters are kinda...uh.

I love Rico's effort but I don't always know what each emoji means.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:25 pm At this rate I'll probably end up voting Cape, but still think MR is a good vote.

I've reskimmed MR, Abi, and Lime Coke and I do think all 3 are compatible.

In the east thread it did feel like MR was trying to pull away from the Lime wagon when it was forming, opting to vote Alison instead. MR did voice a meta reason for suspecting both, but the timing of the Alison vote feels very much hindering the momentum on Lime's wagon. The only interaction here between Abi and MR was encouraging a post that put Abi as a tr.

Don't feel a need to vote Lemon, but I also trust the Cape voters more than the Lemon voters.

Lime and Alison were equal enough I'm my eyes not to care who went over, so I hopped on the smaller counter wagon because runaway wagons are no fun to join.

It makes me sad to welcome Dizzy and Sloonei to the club of people who just don't have time and energy to play anymore and float by as shadows of their former selves.

We do need a catchier name for the club.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:42 am Epi having so many posts and paying close attention makes me want to sr him
Please senior me.

I have so many posts, after all.
Hola Senor Epi
Where's my tilde, bitch?

I don't know how to do that on my keyboard.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:42 am Epi having so many posts and paying close attention makes me want to sr him
Please senior me.

I have so many posts, after all.

Hola Senor Epi

I have formless wordless thoughts on TSP but I can't articulate my meaning.

If there was a line graph and the y axis was alignment he swung from Mafia up to Town but is back down in the middle now. The X axis is time but also somehow combined with frequency of posting spurts and ratio of game content to non game content.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:08 am
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:59 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:57 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Uhhhh
I was probably just right yesterday and you are all being noobs

MR Kinda towny upon relooking and the recent Sloonei comments
What do you feel about falcon’s initial posts here all included Master Radishes. Was falcon trying to rope MR or where they just comfortable with each other if they are both W/W.
I see what you mean. Falcon interacted with MR the most which is kinda weird as both were in separate threads before.

When I get on computer I'll take a better look

I've already said this, but: Falc and I are from the same home forum and we'd interact a lot here regardless of our alignments.

Also wagons are fun.

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