The Syndicate

Like I've always kind of struggled to read Falcon but he feels loose and carefree in a way he does when town.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:25 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:20 pm Friends, I adore your spirit but as with all things the only true path to victory is with love, not hate. We must suppress our hunger for chaos and replace it with a warm embrace. It is time to set aside our differences, to be tolerant and approach one another with care and concern for we are all united as one by this wonderful game and should celebrate our unity by playing firm, but fair, and important mindful of causing pain to your fellow mafia player.

See, this is a wolfy pop-in, and the kind of thing I'd expect from 112 trying to enter the game w/ limited time IRL.

Excellent VK candidate IMO
you're making no sense so an additional read i'll give (not like i haven't shared other reads before you requested i share some so idk what your point is with these posts) is that you're wolfing

Pretty sure Falcon isn't wolfing here tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:12 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:09 pm Just so y'all are aware, you should see the wagons as 8-6 Seanzie-Rondo, due to Rondo's placement.
i yolo townread seanzie for this post

-tutuu
Tutuu why tutuu

Everyone asks why tutuu, but no one asks how's tutuu.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:11 pm Okay this is a weird exercise, please just ignore.

Spoiler: show
1 MR is the player with the most experience with 112 and has been non stop tunneling him.

2 112 has mostly been presenting an unwavering townread in spite of this. Except for briefly when noticing Nutella questioning MR saying he actually too was sus but then going nowhere with it and returning back to townreading him.

3 MR is very towny.

4 112 is townreading MR because he feels there is an absence of wolf agenda in his tunneling Rondo. That it wouldn't make sense for wolf MR to play into town 112 this way.

What makes more sense?

Town 112 habing an unwavering generous townread on the person who reads her best who would be reading him wrong because of point 4.

Wolf 112 recognising the person with the best read on her has immediately caught him and had decided non violent ignorance and blowing smoke up his ass is the only way to deal with it. And opportunistically amplifying suspicion on MR when he feels he can get away with it.

Lmao I'm so egocentric this actually made it make so much more sense.

Okay this is a weird exercise, please just ignore.

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:42 pm It used to be I could rely on my wife to fall asleep watching a movie and then I'd have some interrupted mafia time.

Now she never does.
Slip some melatonin into her tea

Hmm, maybe, though I do try to avoid drugging my wife usually.

Oh SVS is a viable wagon now too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:14 am Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.
@Michelle @Master Radishes

Okay this is hard for me to really absorb because I'm best with things I was involved in or was present for. Like I think I 'get' it but I also just ask 'isn't this just Rondo being Rondo'? Maybe this is uncharitable but I've already broken that seal a few posts agin - I just find Rondo does weird shit sometimes, or rather shit I just don't follow with my own brain thoughts.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:53 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:51 pm Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.
Technically anyone is a viable wagon.

We were told that svs and marmot will show up close to eod.

Typically everyone and their mother comes on at end of day as if we didn’t have 47 hours to discuss beforehand

So anything is possible.

Or if you want, we can both vote for mac for science

I mean I understand how possibilities work. But you know what I mean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:14 am Allow me to summarise again.

Rondo presently has Ender lock town. Ender has had Rondo as lock mafia since essentially the game began. Rondo has mostly ignored Ender intentionally and admittedly and when I've asked why he said it's because he thinks Ender is town because as a wolf he has no benefit to locking himself into scumreading Rondo out of the gate. So he is townreading him for something Ender did at the start of the game despite Ender, someone whom Rondo should trust to have a good read on him, non stop tunneling Rondo all game.

Further Rondo stated at the beginning of day 2 when he observed Nutella start to question Ender that he actually began to suspect Ender too overnight and wanted to observe day 2 before pursuing it further. Ender's day 2 proceeded to be more non stop burial of Rondo.

The question is on probability...

Is Rondo a wolf whose behavior is that of a wolf who knows he cannot bullshit Ender who saw right through him. So he's mostly just letting Ender spin around and focusing attention elsewhere hoping nobody notices Ender is right. Who when presented with an opportunity to discredit Ender took it.

Or is he a town who lock town reads someone non stop tunneling him who has a better understanding of Rondo than anyone else in all of mafia (they are personal irl friends), who was reaction testing Nutella with the Ender push, or had temporary doubt on it, but has been persuaded to go back to lock townreading Ender after further persistent tunneling.

To me one is plainly viable and the other is ... plausible but doesn't make a great deal of sense.

I rest my case goodnight.
@Michelle @Master Radishes

Thank you.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:52 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:51 pm Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.
I miss canucklehead

I've heard nice things. It's a shame, because there was an influx of Canucks.com players a couple years back (me, falcon, 112, among others not in this game).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:52 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:51 pm Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.
SVS > Scotty imo

But I'd rather have you choose one of the main ones

Yeah I'd prefer to stick to the main wagons today. And I hope and pray to Cayvie's wings that I'll find more time D3.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine btw.

Are SVS and Scotty viable wagons? I don't intend to delve into anyone more than I need to right now.

Although like maybe I could offer thoughts on my fellow Canuckleheads or something but they don't seem relevant atm.

Now someone tell me who to vote for.

Spoiler: show

It was this. I say that as both alignments but more as mafia than town.

Seanzie pinged me in D1 and that feels like a very solid reason to vote someone like 5,000 posts later.

Maybe I should go see what it was first actually.

I don't know how to say this without being a bit mean, so I guess I'll just be a bit mean. I tend not to read Rondo's posts in games with him. It's not I find him a bad player or anything, but he just seems to operate on a very different wavelength and I never find his trains of thought helpful or always logical. It works for him I guess but not for me. So I have no real understanding of what his game has been like here. I've never seen Rondo as wolf.

I know Mac has been trying to point people at Things and Stuff but I just don't know that I can be bothered to trawl through several pages of back and forth trying to keep track of a progression. I'll just miss any nuance because I've become too detached from the flow of the game.

So, like...a summary, please. If one is written please kindly direct me.

It used to be I could rely on my wife to fall asleep watching a movie and then I'd have some interrupted mafia time.

Now she never does.

Though anything that might be vaguely classified as 'useful' from me will come later after I actually stare at some iso posts or something.

I'm going to assume Rondo and Seanzie are the frontrunner options today and that's where I should focus if I want to do anything useful.

I've not properly read Sabi spew yet. Those are just what I remember.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:05 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:30 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:50 am They shaded Wilgy right after too. And earlier had done the same to Michelle.
That you cite this as a boost to the spew defense you came prepared with really doesn't sit right with me. Like "look at these definitely town people they shaded, just like me!" It's too...aware? rehearsed? or something
I mean I was sort of trying to pay attention D1? And like I was in the thread for the Wilgy thing and lots of people talked about the Michelle thing so it caught my eye. Especially since I definitely noticed Sabi doing it to me too.

Oh wait you mean that I'm pointing to others as a defense. I just mean to point out that Sabi was clearly the type of wolf trying to discredit people. I lean town on Michelle and Wilgy is more null but is Wilgy so he seems like an easy target. I think Sabi was actively trying to cast shade and I think that because it happened to me and I saw them so it to others too.

That Seanzie wagon has some dope people on it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:28 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:51 am Loving this wagon formation btw. Don't want to ruin it but later on when I find more time to actively spank I look forward to making uninformed rapid vote changes between them.
You’re doing what now?

You heard me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:30 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:50 am They shaded Wilgy right after too. And earlier had done the same to Michelle.
That you cite this as a boost to the spew defense you came prepared with really doesn't sit right with me. Like "look at these definitely town people they shaded, just like me!" It's too...aware? rehearsed? or something

I mean I was sort of trying to pay attention D1? And like I was in the thread for the Wilgy thing and lots of people talked about the Michelle thing so it caught my eye. Especially since I definitely noticed Sabi doing it to me too.

Yourself.

That's not a ping.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:51 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:48 am On a serious note I obviously get being PoE, but also I feel I should probably be more cleared than this based on Sabi shading me. They completely misrepresented my meta from a past game and it was clearlyt to discredit me right at a point I was starting to post more.

I'm on my phone and dealing with needy pets and getting ready for work so not gonna pull up links now.
When did Sabi shade you?

On phone and don't have time as said. Ping me later.

Loving this wagon formation btw. Don't want to ruin it but later on when I find more time to actively spank I look forward to making uninformed rapid vote changes between them.

They shaded Wilgy right after too. And earlier had done the same to Michelle.

On a serious note I obviously get being PoE, but also I feel I should probably be more cleared than this based on Sabi shading me. They completely misrepresented my meta from a past game and it was clearlyt to discredit me right at a point I was starting to post more.

I'm on my phone and dealing with needy pets and getting ready for work so not gonna pull up links now.

Slanking my way out of the PoE. Is that even possible?

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:19 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:35 pm Why did I sign up again?
You signed up to get wagoned and murdered d3 obviously

No that's not it. That happens D1 or else end up the game losing mischop.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:28 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:27 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:26 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:25 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:12 am Like, there’s no way in this thread state one or more of those is NOT mafia
I agree. And tbh, although I think 112 and MR have kind of slanked their way out of the PoE and could be good vig shots, the PoE as it stands is at the very least built on good reasoning and conversation for all four, which is much better threadstate than yesterday.
Yeah, I rank 112 > MR but it’s slight. MR is definitely someone I have no reason to townread
Ie 112 is sussier?
No, I have 112 as more town. But it’s verrrrry slight

As the towniest town to ever town I take offense to this.

I know Dizzy would appreciate it.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:17 pm In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.
Why is MR coming out?

I mean I can come out if I want to. It's 2023.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:00 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:48 pm when i'm dead, you're all going to feel slightly bad about thinking it was me all along and turning out wrong af but you're also going to be pretty okay with it because it's a lhf lynch and we really can't blame anyone if they think i'm mafia. meanwhile, however, i am going to make glib posts for the rest of the phase and repeatedly announce my innocence in ways that are highly aggravating. you're welcome.
Scummy post bro.
Personally I thought it was very relatable

It was meant to be a joke but neither you nor Alison apparently go that so I guess my sense of humour is just poor.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:54 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:52 pm Chopping slanky radishes always works out.
You're not even slanky.

I don't remember reading a single post of mine.

No come back I miss u

Chopping slanky radishes always works out.

Oh look I have my own wagon! Hi friends.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:56 pm The POE turning on each other immediately (SVS scumreading Marmot, 112 and MR getting into a fight) is extremely funny

The fact you think this is a fight is extremely funny mildly amusing.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:54 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:52 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:48 pm when i'm dead, you're all going to feel slightly bad about thinking it was me all along and turning out wrong af but you're also going to be pretty okay with it because it's a lhf lynch and we really can't blame anyone if they think i'm mafia. meanwhile, however, i am going to make glib posts for the rest of the phase and repeatedly announce my innocence in ways that are highly aggravating. you're welcome.
Scummy post bro.
not really, friendo.
Why'd you follow my vote D1?
I need to sheep someone -> MR is strong town and possible wolf -> he's not voting for the leading wagon but is voting for someone who could reasonably be chopped -> it therefore helps me solve MR if his vote flips -> idk something like this

Damn that makes some amount of sense.

But I haven't been strong town in about two years tbh.

Oh wait is that off Sabi spew? I'm not ready for that yet.

I'll read her iso and post no conclusions instead.

Oh 112 is an actual wagon.

Maybe I can start there.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:48 pm when i'm dead, you're all going to feel slightly bad about thinking it was me all along and turning out wrong af but you're also going to be pretty okay with it because it's a lhf lynch and we really can't blame anyone if they think i'm mafia. meanwhile, however, i am going to make glib posts for the rest of the phase and repeatedly announce my innocence in ways that are highly aggravating. you're welcome.
Scummy post bro.
not really, friendo.

Why'd you follow my vote D1?

That was not a dank post but I'm powering up.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:49 pm Atp I think creature is the kind of slot that wolves perceive as pushable but is actually obvious town

From the fairly little I've read (pretty much nothing D2) Creature feels normal to me. Like I don't know what scum Creature is like but I didn't see anything that pinged me.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:48 pm when i'm dead, you're all going to feel slightly bad about thinking it was me all along and turning out wrong af but you're also going to be pretty okay with it because it's a lhf lynch and we really can't blame anyone if they think i'm mafia. meanwhile, however, i am going to make glib posts for the rest of the phase and repeatedly announce my innocence in ways that are highly aggravating. you're welcome.

Scummy post bro.

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