The Syndicate

Welp guess I'll go to bed. I think there's a decent chance Falcon does flip maf but I'll stay where I am out of holding a slightly higher conviction and to promote the value of a viable counterwagon.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:10 pm i kind of think that
delta wagon not lasting
is sign that it should
It was only me who left it. Most have ignored it or not seen it yet.

Oh wait no it's not just me. Nevermind.

Maybe I'm just a sucker, but this reply to me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:55 pm We do go way back, and hungover/mildly cranky falcon was suspicious (and mildly cranky) that you're missing me

makes me wonder if it is just v!Falc. I dunno. It feels like I'd feel the same in reverse - a bit snappish that he wasn't finding obvious town me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:41 pm I really don't understand why we're not just chopping Leetic but ok

I'd be fine with this too. My secret Santa told me to.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:10 pm i kind of think that
delta wagon not lasting
is sign that it should

It was only me who left it. Most have ignored it or not seen it yet.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:05 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:04 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:57 pm [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.
I dont even know what to reply because i dont understand your reasoning at all
I mean I can't quote it per the rules.

If I make it back before EoD I'll try to explain. Basically I don't see any reason you and Brad can't be linked, and in fact one or two things I could see a w/w interaction for.
yeah but that seem point you're making can be said about you as well, so its a very weak reasoning and something wolves would try to use

Eh. Maybe. But I at least dumped some suss on Brad which you're free to read in to.

You tagged him in D1 to kindly ask he post or else you might have to vote him. It feels...soft. Then in D2 you spend several posts trying to parse his townreads list (which is just a list with no explanations to read into) and if I'm uncharitible you spend a lot of words on this avenue of solving without going anywhere.

Nothing concrete. But level 1 says it's a possible associative.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:57 pm [VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.
I dont even know what to reply because i dont understand your reasoning at all

I mean I can't quote it per the rules.

If I make it back before EoD I'll try to explain. Basically I don't see any reason you and Brad can't be linked, and in fact one or two things I could see a w/w interaction for.

[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.

Actually I'm fine with any of the main wagons (Delta, DM, Falcon, Lemon) dying, really. To varying extents I'm not convinced on any of them much more than any other, but sure let's kill someone and see what happens.

I was glancing at DM's other thread iso and I don't find it particularly inspiring. It's hard to parse much of an alignment though, as they don't say much D1 en route to our scum flip, and their D2 content is fairly straightforward and I don't know I really lean one way or another on it.

Basically I could vote there too I guess.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:08 pm All the recent votes irk me to degree.

Radishes dropped off falcon for, what, giving him breathing space?
Sloonei is full sheeping (on Epig yet again).

Yes to give him breathing space and also I do have some doubts now.

[VOTE: delta] aubergine

Yeah sure

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.
Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi
I don't find it that interesting.
Then you're boring

Probably.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:50 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine
Why?

Dunno, I'll make up a reason later.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.
Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

I don't find it that interesting.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:55 pm We do go way back, and hungover/mildly cranky falcon was suspicious (and mildly cranky) that you're missing me

I wasn't seeing much from you.

I agree with your Epi/LC townreads. Thoughts on Nutella or Windy from what you've seen so far? They were two of the more active posters in the East and I feel pretty solid on them being town here.

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3

Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Sabi is on vacation (said so in D2 thread) and Davos has never done anything but post 'Arr'.

But agree with the general sentiment.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:49 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:16 pm
youre not very fun to play with... and your reads have always been awful
I made a nearly identical post to Epi's immediately before he posted it. Do you have anything to say about that?

I do.

youre not very fun to play with... and your reads have always been awful

Falcon said Epi and LC were his townreads.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:28 pm
DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:29 am lmfao why does @Epignosis have a vote on me when I haven't posted? #obsessedmuch

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:31 am Epi is giving very much wolf. Delta also pings. Not sure how to feel about this lemon wagon. I'd rather no.

Could be down to vote Epi, though. Oh and Wilgy too.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:31 am [VOTE: vote: epignosis ] aubergine just to return the favor

:*
I cast a vote.

DarlingMonroe criticizes me for casting the vote before DarlingMonroe posted anything and calls me obsessed.

"Epi bad, Delta maybe, iffy on Lemon but don't vote there."

Then "Could be down to vote Epi."

Isn't that part and parcel to "Epi is giving very much wolf?" Does it need to be stated a second time?

"Oh and Wilgy too."

Then I get voted anyway.

The timestamps here are back-to-back-to-back, and this indicates that DarlingMonroe has not read my own posts to see if I've said anything.

The lack of posting since then is indicative of another lazy ass mafia member who can't compete in the Game of Champions.
youre not very fun to play with... and your reads have always been awful

Both those statements are categorically false.

I'm busy today but will try to be around towards the end.

I've read up but don't think I have much to add.

Falcon's exasperation *might* be towny but I'm not sure it's enough to overcome his poor reactions to pressure and his general lack of having done anything worth townreading.

I have not read Lemonfairy's wallpost so I have no new opinion on her.

The DM wagon is /fine/. I don't really have a strong opinion on them.

Still have general good feelings on Sloonei, Long Con, Epi.

Oh damn I'm second highest poster as of right now. I better screenshot this because it never happens.

You know the game is slow when I'm talking the (second) most.

Guess I should probably just go to bed, right as all the cool kids have been reappearing.

Kinda waiting for Cape to make an appearance here too. I was feeling better about him in late D1/D2 but I'll eventually fall victim to what-have-you-done-for-me-lately syndrome.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:08 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:03 pm What are the West Facility's feelings on Delta?
Somewhat split. It’s been mentioned briefly here, but Epi made an argument for Delta to be teamed with pyxxy. Leetic refuted this case in his own analysis, though. So there is debate among scholars.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:08 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:03 pm What are the West Facility's feelings on Delta?
Delta had the most votes at one point in Day 2, but both sig and Porscha ended up with the lion's share. Epignosis did a delta-pyxxy interaction analysis that had some convincing points that they could be teammates.

Acknowledging and thanking these replies.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:04 pm I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

You can order me any time.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:04 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:52 pm “TSP fits onto a lot of teams” something people say when TSP is town
Wait, yeah, @Master Radishes what does this even mean? I think you should qualify/explain it.
It means TSP has done nothing to suggest he's town, and so could be scum, but equally has done nothing that screams he's scum, and so could be town. It was a lazy way of me saying he's firmly PoE.

As for why I said it, I was browsing the list and saw his name and forgot he was here and thought 'hmm, if we're thinking a wolf team lacking thread control that could mean TSP too' and then later saw Nutella throw his name out there too.
Ok. Weird expression though. Like, if he campaigned to get pyxxy out then he doesn't necessarily fit on that team. I'm over it.

He's dedicated to posting one-line posts. The only time he seemed particularly animated was in one of his only multiline posts where he ranted about being stuck waiting in a Walmart. It's like a schtick, but it feels like a schtick that promotes slanking. He said on N0 that he would come back on Day 2 and be wrong about everything, but he didn't even really try that as I recall.

In fairness I used the expression in the wrong context anyway. It should probably be preserved for conversations around actual teambuilding and associations and such. Sometimes you get used to using phrases within the wider Mafia lexicon and they just come out almost automatically even when the context is not quite exact.

Anyway I don't know what TSP did or didn't do in the Other Thread, but at least he's been discussed now, and he seems fine enough to me, so I'm moving on. (I didn't really intended to have this be a focal point of discussion anyway.)

What are the West Facility's feelings on Delta?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:00 pm I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

I've only just read posts from him for the first time (these recent ones) and yeah they can be town!TSP for sure.

Oh well at least we're discussing him.

Let's go back to killing Lemonfalcon

Also I'm well aware TSP is often easy miselim bait as town. So I'm not campaigning for him to go or anything. But if we're sorting things out he's PoE with the others.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:52 pm “TSP fits onto a lot of teams” something people say when TSP is town
Wait, yeah, @Master Radishes what does this even mean? I think you should qualify/explain it.

It means TSP has done nothing to suggest he's town, and so could be scum, but equally has done nothing that screams he's scum, and so could be town. It was a lazy way of me saying he's firmly PoE.

As for why I said it, I was browsing the list and saw his name and forgot he was here and thought 'hmm, if we're thinking a wolf team lacking thread control that could mean TSP too' and then later saw Nutella throw his name out there too.

TSP's omgus is so strong he rage-misclicked my name in the poll and hit Falcon's instead.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

Don't forget about the poll btw.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:52 pm “TSP fits onto a lot of teams” something people say when TSP is town

This is true, and I'm aware of its true-ness.

It's also something true of you as slanky scum though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:51 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great
Damn we on the same wavelength. I was even thinking about TSP recently and how he fit into teams fairly easily.

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.
I don’t believe you

Join the club with Falcon.

I think scum are opportunistic more so in keeping a lookout on town throwing town names into the PoE, which scum can then nudge along to keep their options open.

I don't think they just naked vote based solely on seeing the opportunity to, which is what Falcon was suggesting about me.

I mean, I do think scum can often be opportunistic.

But yeah, it can equally be used as a cheap excuse.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:39 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:04 pm Of the voters on my wagon, Abi & MR look the most opportunistic

[VOTE: freon] aubergine
who's Freon?

It's Abi
Do you think anything Abbi said in the West Facility was scummy? Or is this read purely based on her vote on you? Curious to know why you chose to vote her over MR.

Voting me would've risked revealing his scum agenda due to our shared history.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Damn we on the same wavelength. I was even thinking about TSP recently and how he fit into teams fairly easily.

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:38 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.
No it doesn't.
I like MR's response here

Thanks I wrote it myself

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:33 pm The way that the Nanook-Dizzy exchange ended looked like a concocted "let's do this because what Wolf partners would even do that?" plan. It's too silly to be real, and yet a perfect fun thing to do because it's the Champs game.

I can't seriously pursue it, but I couldn't not say it.

Eh. I'm not sure those two are the type to concoct any particular interaction in wolfchat. The way it ended actually felt towny to me lol.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:33 pm Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?

Hence my opportunistic vote.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.
No it doesn't.

Yes, MR, it does actually, just like tea feels like crumpets & Scotch eggs feel Welsh

Vote me then.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.

No it doesn't.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:03 pm I’m still unsure if I buy into the theory that remaining landlords would drop off after Day 1. I think it’s more likely if we’re in a multiball scenario. But if they’re the only mafia team, losing two players right off the bat is less than ideal, but hardly game-ending.

In general I'd agree. Though imagine several other single-team-Mafiosos are already lacking time or energy for the game, or are finding it difficult to dig in because town is playing well, or whatever. I could see a team being a bit demoralised still.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:02 pm My mom still thinks I'm cool

Does she think you're town?

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:36 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:31 pm I was cursed to post haikus yesterday. Nutella seems similarly cursed today. I don't remember anyone having to do it for D1 though.
This is probably worthless speculation, but: I find the choice of who to haiku-curse incongruous. I was lower posting, not really a main driver of the thread, etc. Nutella has not been that, overall. (Though Nutella was a bit quieter during D2 so maybe post count factors in?)

Anyway, if it was a Mafia role it doesn't feel tactical to me.
were there reads you've had in common with Nutella?
I guess haikus arent as restrictive as a traditional post restriction, so maybe that's why it isn't tactical

I'd have to check, but I think overall we haven't been particularly dissimilar. Like I remember vibing with her Cape scumread, then we both seemed to warm up to him around the same time. Though actually I don't remember her outting a lot of specific reads so I can't say for certain. And she shifted around a bit like she often does as town, so it probably varied as well.

Anyway like you say it's not super restrictive so maybe it's not tactical and this isn't a worthwhile line of thought, I dunno.

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