The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:24 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:20 pm I honestly don't know what I could have done differently. This feeling sucks.
I think you played well my friend. I was very uncertain as to handle you so I tried to be as truthful as possible when forced into dealing with you.

Every time you responded to me, I felt so guilty about thinking you might have been scum. It was only when I thought that you HAD to be mafia with either Jack or Boo that I was able to start shoving those feelings aside.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:27 pm Quintessential to our plan was eliminating not necessarily who already got the gun, but who we didn't want to get the gun in the future. Wilgy overrode me at one point. I wanted to poison Nanook before he could get the gun again but he switched to to Johann late.

Heading into Day 5, our goal was to set up an impossible choice by poisoning Hyena. Funnygurl couldn't get the gun, and we banked on whoever was left from the Boo-Jack-Nanook trio being too far in the POE to get the gun. We were trying to force you into giving either WIlgy or I the gun. You made us work quite a bit harder than we anticipated, so kudos.

I had a feeling that was the case with Wilgy, because I remember saying the day before that I'd either want the gun myself or give the gun to Wilgy. I dunno if that even influenced your decision, though, lol. Either way, that was a good play.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:21 pm Wilgy and G-Man didn't even really slank that much. They just sort of hung back and let the town eat itself. As viable a strategy as any to win, but certainly a great way to make salty townies in endgame lol.
Nah, I'm not salty. Both G-Man and Wilgy had me pocketed at certain points in the game. It was always looking at, like, Boo and Jack after Drago got shot.

I was always looking at** rather

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:21 pm Wilgy and G-Man didn't even really slank that much. They just sort of hung back and let the town eat itself. As viable a strategy as any to win, but certainly a great way to make salty townies in endgame lol.

Nah, I'm not salty. Both G-Man and Wilgy had me pocketed at certain points in the game. It was always looking at, like, Boo and Jack after Drago got shot.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 pm I would like a rerand, I feel like we'd be better at it after the experience. It was a difficult game to figure out tactically.
I've always wanted to run the same game with the same players twice in succession. Should be done one of these days.

I'd play again, but I'd need a couple months, I think, lol.

I honestly don't know what I could have done differently. This feeling sucks.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:17 pm I’m sure I’ll be told it was my fault that I was SR tho

No, I don't blame you. I was actually surprised Funny chose you over Jack or Boo.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:18 pm
boo wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:11 pm Nah, it's all good, G-Man. Even without the AtE, I don't know how I would've found you.
The lesson is to always blindly follow everything I do, and eventually in a fit of paranoia, I'll get the right answer.
You should have start strongly pushing for G-Man to get the gun. Maybe then I would've switched off to Jack.

I'm mad at myself, too, because I think I genuinely logicked out (incorrectly in hindsight, but still) that you were town when you voted for G-Man. That post you made though when you started thinking G-Man was scum was what really pushed me over the edge though against you. I think if you hadn't voted for Jack, I would've kept my vote on Jack -- granted, you'd still have the uphill battle of convincing him you were town.

Bleh. Sorry that I couldn't find you this game. :<

If it makes you feel better, we both were right about scum not wanting the gun and not wanting to get blood on their hands.

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:11 pm Nah, it's all good, G-Man. Even without the AtE, I don't know how I would've found you.
The lesson is to always blindly follow everything I do, and eventually in a fit of paranoia, I'll get the right answer.

You should have start strongly pushing for G-Man to get the gun. Maybe then I would've switched off to Jack.

I'm mad at myself, too, because I think I genuinely logicked out (incorrectly in hindsight, but still) that you were town when you voted for G-Man. That post you made though when you started thinking G-Man was scum was what really pushed me over the edge though against you. I think if you hadn't voted for Jack, I would've kept my vote on Jack -- granted, you'd still have the uphill battle of convincing him you were town.

Bleh. Sorry that I couldn't find you this game. :<

Nah, it's all good, G-Man. Even without the AtE, I don't know how I would've found you.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 10:05 pm I don't think I was ever finding scum!G-Man here, so I'm okay with the loss.

At best, we would've gotten Wilgy, but only because we all thought he was automatically scum with one of Boo or Jack.

I don't think I was ever finding scum!G-Man here, so I'm okay with the loss.

Welp. Sorry, y'all. Who was your partner G-Man?

This sucks.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:59 pm I don't like the Silent boo swap

Me neither.

Good bye cruel world!

I'm ready for dead villager chat!

I think I have to stick with G-Man at this point. :<

I really wish we would have shot Boo earlier.

I might switch my vote to Wilgy

I might switch to Jack last minute.

Also, Boo switched his vote back to G-Man without calling it. :P

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 9:45 pm 15 min.

I’m nervous but I think it’s over one way or the other right here.

What do you mean by "over"?

Okay, so, I -did- see that post, Funny, and yeah, it did make me stop in my tracks for a moment, but I ran into another post from G-Man where he said he was an INTP (mbti stuff, by the way -- I'm in INFJ) and that he valued logic, so it would make sense that he'd have that read on Boo early on? At least, that's what I concluded after thinking about it a bunch.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:14 pm anyways i'm off work anything ya want me to do hyena or are we just waitin for eod

I don't have anything specific I want anyone to do. Maybe just do what G-Man is doing and try to eliminate certain pairings just to make sure we're correct in all this.

AGAIN THOUGH -- do NOT let my voice entirely influence your decision G-Man. Keep doing what you're doing. You might find something that I missed.

They both have to make a play right now to shake things up if we're right about them being scum.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:11 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm Okay, I wasn't going to say anything about THAT post that Boo just made, but I think I probably should. It feels like Boo is trying to set up an association between him and Jack in case he gets shot tonight. I don't think Boo believed that G-Man would actually get votes if he voted for him, probably for similar reasons. Either way, I'm going to let you make the final decision, G-Man, but I just figured I'd offer my input on THAT post in case it's helpful.
but we gonna talk about the wilgy response

Distancing, lol

Definitely continue to analyze posts just to make sure we didn't miss anything, but that just seems like the right pairing right there.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm Okay, I wasn't going to say anything about THAT post that Boo just made, but I think I probably should. It feels like Boo is trying to set up an association between him and Jack in case he gets shot tonight. I don't think Boo believed that G-Man would actually get votes if he voted for him, probably for similar reasons. Either way, I'm going to let you make the final decision, G-Man, but I just figured I'd offer my input on THAT post in case it's helpful.

Basically, I still think it's Boo and Wilgy.

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything about THAT post that Boo just made, but I think I probably should. It feels like Boo is trying to set up an association between him and Jack in case he gets shot tonight. I don't think Boo believed that G-Man would actually get votes if he voted for him, probably for similar reasons. Either way, I'm going to let you make the final decision, G-Man, but I just figured I'd offer my input on THAT post in case it's helpful.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 7:44 pm but Jack is townier than him. I get it; we listen to you though

If we lose because of my choice, you can blame it all on me. <3 I'll even let you shoot me the next time we play a Turbo with ITAs together on MU.

boo wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 7:04 pm I no longer trust Gman. The amount of work he's now putting in has me worried he's trying to shore up getting people to vote for him and it's actually him and Wilgy.

I'm gonna go ahead and [VOTE: Jack] aubergine, cause if I've been wrong all game (and so far, that holds up), it clears him. Then he can either lose the town the game and shoot me (which admittedly, with how we've played, is deserved), or shoot Wilgy or something. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I can do no right, so fuck all of you!

As confirmed town, I'm requesting that we all vote for G-Man.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:30 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:25 am I like G-man. I'ma put a good read on him.
Why?

I think Sloonei mentioned this post, too, when talking about G-Man and Dragomir. Granted, it's easy to just ask why to a partner when they townread you, but if this was orchestrated, I feel like there should have been more than just a why? That interaction more feels like town asking someone why they townread them. Thus, they aren't with Dragomir?

Alright, I'll give you the gun, G-Man.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:51 pm Skimming Dusk's iso, I think he was poisoned for being a consensus townread, not for having particularly scary reads since he was mostly after Hyena and Nutella and not even that harshly. Pushes my Hyena read south slightly all the same.

So here is our player list with players I have a reason to townread besides "Idk they feel pretty townie" (ie Hyena and Nanook) are crossed out

boo
Dragomir
DrWilgy
Duskfall
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Hyena
Jackofhearts2005
Johann
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

So let's look at...

boo
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
Hyena
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Sloonei

Those first three.

Why were you townreading Dragomir when you made this post, Jack?

Wait, wasn't someone pushing a Johann+Jack world at some point while Johann was still alive? Who was that?

Funny, why couldn't you have just shot Boo last night? ;-; That would've made things easier, I think.

lol, okay

I'm either making a hero play or a gamethrowing one here.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:55 am I think I was mostly poisoned for being consensus town

But I think towny people are like Nanook/funny/jack/g man/slonnei

If I had gun tonight id shoot boo or dragomir

People that I'm not sure on yet Mac, Id refer to Nanook and sloonei for this one but I agree with what they said. Nanook mentioned his demand of the gun then lack of responsibility for it. Sloonei mentioned something that I forget but I agreed with it it was good wtf was it again lol? Sloonei cover for me

Hyena is kinda bad but I think shoot later not yet

Johann was good early but faded away so needs re evaluating probably tomorrow but not a shot for today

Dusk thought Jack was town, too, before he died. And again, he said Boo would've been one of the people he would have considered shooting in addition to Dragomir. If he were right on both of those two, that would be a good reason to poison him N1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:51 pm
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Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.
This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:58 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:53 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

The steady hand of a doctor is the only on we can trust with a shot like this.
This is the spiciest vote in the entire game. I don't know what to make of it.
That Sloonei is dedicated to his vote not being a relevant factor, apparently?
Yes.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:01 pm The vote is useless. Nobody's gonna wagon Wilgy, an inactive player with no more than one post, with roughly an hour left in the phase. Especially when the majority of the active players have formulated town cores.

Voting for Wilgy all of a sudden and even trying to get ppl on board is just worthy of an lol.

Now, I'm trying to decide as to what that means concerning Sloonei's alignment, if it has any meaning at all.

Do these posts exist if the mafia team is wilgy/boo/drago?

Hmm...
Is it just me or does Drago's tone shift between the second and third post Sloonei quoted here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:15 pm So here's our path to victory.

You gotta just get Boo the fuck out. He's a wolf.

The other one is gonna get to lylo.

At lylo you just gotta shoot the person who shouldn't be there. I think it'll be Nook.

If we get to F4, don't use the gun, make them clear someone with the poison.

Easy as.

I'll probs get there too because I ain't about to be poisoned and frankly I'm too good at insisting people do what I say to get shot.

Mac wanted Boo out, and although he was scumreading Jack for part of the game, he eventually came around to calling Jack town.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:21 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:31 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 12:29 am i slept and woke up and slept and woke up again. i trust that mac'll do the right thing. down to give it to dusk next

nutella, g-man, hyena, maybe wilgy are my poe anyways

there could be a deeper wolf in jack or sloonei but that's not a d1/n1 thing
this list looks stupid glad i don't gotta gun LOL
That sure is a low-hanging fruit salad

Hmm...

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 9:59 pm Ultimately, it feels like we're always going to come back to having to figure out you and Boo. If this is the case, then maybe it is a good idea to try to give one of you the gun, so that we can see if we can get one of you mechanically cleared.

Because from my perspective, there HAS to be at least one town between you two. I do not for a second believe you two are w/w.

Ultimately, it feels like we're always going to come back to having to figure out you and Boo. If this is the case, then maybe it is a good idea to try to give one of you the gun, so that we can see if we can get one of you mechanically cleared.

And yeah, figuring out who gets the gun today is just the first step in this whole process, because if scum gets the gun, the game just ends, because they just shoot town. Thus, as you mentioned, if we do move on to night phase after giving someone the gun, then that person is mechanically cleared.

G-Man is the safest person from my perspective to give the gun to. With that said, you did say something that I thought was a good point. If we give G-Man the gun, we have to bet that 1. He is town, and 2. He'll shoot scum. I do think he's more likely to be town than the other three of you? That leaves only #2. I think Wilgy automatically is scum regardless of which of you or Boo are scum, assuming I'm right about FG and G-Man being town. However, shooting him tonight doesn't really get us anywhere aside from giving you guys an extra day to talk about things.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 8:51 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:47 pm Here ya go. Here's me eliminating all pairings that Jack could be a part of --
-snipped-
What happened to this?

Is it better or worse than your reasoning for giving GMan the gun?

Well, like, if my initial towncore was correct, then yeah, my reasoning for giving GMan the gun is better. I don't really have any good reason to scumread him at the moment.

It'll be okay. I'll take the blame again for the loss if we do lose.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 7:22 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 5:47 pm I've been doing some thinking, and I think I want to stick to the townreads and PoE that I original had -- {me, Funny, G-Man} town, and {Jack, Boo, Wilgy} PoE. Obviously, the only person in that towncore that I can give the gun to right now is G-Man. I'm okay with losing to him if he's scum. I feel like the emotional reaction he had around D2ish(?) kinda cleared him for me.

Coincidentally, Boo is already voting for him. If my townread on G-Man is accurate and my PoE is accurate, then Boo is voting town when he could be trying to vote for scum to get the gun if Boo is scum.

Thus, this is what I'm going to propose -- we give the gun to G-Man, and he shoots Jack. In theory, this should clear Boo for tomorrow, which means if Jack flips scum and Funny gets poisoned, we can give the gun to Boo tomorrow. The only person who has been pushing a Jack+Boo world is coincidentally Wilgy, which is who I'd want Boo to shoot tomorrow if we get to that point. I know a Jack+Wilgy world makes even less sense than Wilgy being scum by himself, but I'm throwing logic out the door at this point and sticking to my intuition.
Buuuut if GMan shoots me, we lose.

Then we lose together again, friend. <3

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