The Syndicate

Anyway,

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

I've been doing some thinking, and I think I want to stick to the townreads and PoE that I original had -- {me, Funny, G-Man} town, and {Jack, Boo, Wilgy} PoE. Obviously, the only person in that towncore that I can give the gun to right now is G-Man. I'm okay with losing to him if he's scum. I feel like the emotional reaction he had around D2ish(?) kinda cleared him for me.

Coincidentally, Boo is already voting for him. If my townread on G-Man is accurate and my PoE is accurate, then Boo is voting town when he could be trying to vote for scum to get the gun if Boo is scum.

Thus, this is what I'm going to propose -- we give the gun to G-Man, and he shoots Jack. In theory, this should clear Boo for tomorrow, which means if Jack flips scum and Funny gets poisoned, we can give the gun to Boo tomorrow. The only person who has been pushing a Jack+Boo world is coincidentally Wilgy, which is who I'd want Boo to shoot tomorrow if we get to that point. I know a Jack+Wilgy world makes even less sense than Wilgy being scum by himself, but I'm throwing logic out the door at this point and sticking to my intuition.

I'm thinking about giving Boo the gun now. After no one listened to me for about 3-4 dayphases about killing him, I'd be okay with losing to him and blame everyone else for not listening to me if he's mafia.

Another question! Why aren't you considering Wilgy as possible scum, Boo? He was actually calling you scum all of last dayphase, more so than even Jack or Nanook. Why can't he be scum over Funny and Jack?

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:05 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:04 pm Actually, boo, are you still around? Would you be up for moving to Dusk with me right now?
0% chance I'd vote Dusk. Pick someone else.

Another instance of you not wanting to give the gun to Dusk.

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:49 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:47 pm Cause nutella is town so stop pushing that please

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 12:47 pm Unless she is scum that would be sad but I hope she is town
There are 3 people who want this dude to have the gun?

Why didn't you want Dusk to get the gun D1, by the way?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 11:06 pm And the thing you don't realize is that I did reevaluate time and time again last dayphase, and now I'm back here again, with the conclusion that you and Wilgy are mafia.

At one point, I -WAS- saying that Jack could be mafia. I think I was also one of the people that said that Nanook could be mafia, too. So, like, I don't see how you can say that I'm not reevaluating?

And the thing you don't realize is that I did reevaluate time and time again last dayphase, and now I'm back here again, with the conclusion that you and Wilgy are mafia.

I'm tripling down on it now.

Dude, it's probably exactly Boo and Wilgy. I can't believe you guys talked me out of that pairing the other dayphase.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:53 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:45 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm

How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?
Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?
Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.
You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.
In other words, it has nothing to do with her alignment, you still think I'm mafia for not trusting you.
No, I can quote where I started townreading her, too, if you want. Gimme a moment.
Again, relevance?

You're confirmed town and this is still how you're playing? Like... dude. Come ON. This is just painful.

I just gave you arguments for why I think Jack and Funny are town, and this is what you have to say?

Not only did she start townreading me at that point, she switched off on to Drago, who ended up flipping scum that night after Nanook shot them.

So, like, no, I'm never considering Funny as scum.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:42 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:41 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?
A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)
does this feel like scum hyena or town hyena to you?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:47 am idk if i'd be down with a hyena shot anymore tbh. if i'm wrong it's whatever.

jack or wilgy are some real spicy shots imo

but once again your opinion matters the most

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:51 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:47 am What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.
I would NOT shoot G-Man or Funny.
I WOULD shoot Dragomir or Boo.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:00 am OH YEAH. DRAGOMIR

is an option

So, does that progression on me, from strong scumread to instant townread after reading my ISO, comes more likely from scum!Funny, or town!Funny?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:06 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:39 pm Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama
You have an order of preference for these? mine would be Hyena > Jack > Mac > Boo.
Let's talk.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:27 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:24 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:21 am sure what's up?
Why do you find me Sus? :P
your earlier d1 reads didn't feel genuine

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:28 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:23 am Who do you want me to shoot again FG?
hyena or jack but also don't listen to me T_____________________________T

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:28 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:27 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:24 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:21 am sure what's up?
Why do you find me Sus? :P
your earlier d1 reads didn't feel genuine
What about my D2 reads and later D1 reads?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:31 am fiiiiiiiiiiine i'll iso

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 am l O l y'aaaaaaaaaaaaaal hyena's actually town i think

*looks at my reads*

*cringes*

oooof something's wrong here

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:45 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm

This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?
No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.
How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?
Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?
Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.
You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.
In other words, it has nothing to do with her alignment, you still think I'm mafia for not trusting you.

No, I can quote where I started townreading her, too, if you want. Gimme a moment.

Here ya go. Here's me eliminating all pairings that Jack could be a part of --

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:30 am So, I remembered eliminating certain pairings that Jack could be in, but I couldn't remember which ones, outside of Boo --
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?
I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.
I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.
I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?
So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.
I still stand by this read. Thus, in my mind --

Jack/Wilgy isn't a thing based on the above reasoning
Jack/Boo isn't a thing based on their arguments against each other since, like, D3?
Jack/Funny isn't a thing because that would require Funny to be mafia, which I don't believe is the case.
Jack/Johann isn't a thing because Johann is confirmed town by being poisoned.
Jack/Hyena isn't a thing because I'm town.
Jack/Nanook could be a thing, but they get found if we stick to the current plan.
The only other person (in the game) is G-Man, but G-Man's now trying to pair him with Nanook as the scum team.

Thus, I don't think I'd want to go after Jack today.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:43 pm You're also stuck on her way more then I am. I want Jack shot. I think she's the third because she shot Nanook, which was insane, and that's all I'm basing it on. I haven't given G-man or Wilgy a whole lot of thought for how they could connect though.

I don't think Jack is mafia either though. Hold on, I'll quote another post I made about that subject.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?
This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?
No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.
How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?
Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?
Again, I still don't see how this line of thinking is relevant to her alignment.

Either way, she'd think you were an option because, again, you had the most people in favour of shooting you.

You were one of the people in favor of shooting me -- after using my own argument for calling Nutella scum D1, even, and not even thinking I was town when I was making that argument.

You know what else I'm annoyed about?

This--

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 7:47 pm Hyena/nanook/dusk are my towncore

It was correct, and people shaded us for trying to roll with it, lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:45 pm There were also three people that listed Jack as a first or second shot option (Boo, FG, Mac). Two apiece for Boo (Hyena, Jack) and FG (Drago, Jack).

Also, do you think both Drago and Jack push Nanook to shoot FG if all three of Drago, Jack, and FG are mafia?

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?
This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?
No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.
How's it relevant then? She was taking herself out of the field of people who wanted you shot because she thought Nanook would shoot you, then?

Nanook didn't indicate whether he'd shoot me or not though. In fact, he specifically said he wasn't going to say who he was going to shoot. Why would FG believe I was the most likely to get shot?

I'mma requote this:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:45 pm This data is a tiny bit skewed by not including me in the pool since I had the gun, but I think it's fine to ignore that given that I was functionally a universal TR at the time as I recall. Anyways, back on N2, do you know how many people wanted to shoot Drago? Three and a half (Gman/Hyena/Johann, FG as a half cause she remembered him late).

There were also three people that listed Jack as a first or second shot option (Boo, FG, Mac). Two apiece for Boo (Hyena, Jack) and FG (Drago, Jack).

Do you know who the overwhelming consensus was for a good shot, out of nine people that gave answers?

Hyena. Five people wanted Hyena shot N2 (Boo, Wilgy, FG, Gman, Johann). FIVE!

Do you know what I would do if I were mafia? I'd shoot Hyena and nobody would blame me. So unless you're pushing me as partners with Hyena, thinking that I "shot Drago because I had to, everyone suspected him, he was basically outed" is empirically wrong. I had heaps of cover to shoot Hyena if I wanted to, and even if Hyena were my partner...I could've just shot Boo or Jack in that world. Any argument that my hand was forced to shoot Drago is objectively wrong.

By the way, this makes it pretty likely that Hyena is town. Also likely there's a 2nd mafia within the Hyena selections, but given my POE is down to Gman or Boo paired with Jack that isn't exactly helpful.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?
This happened when she had the gun, shot Nanook, and you got poisoned, correct?

No, on N2. The night Dragomir got shot instead of me.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 pm Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

wanted me** rather

Anyway, Boo. Can you explain to me why Funny would just spontaneously re-evalute me and conclude I'm town on the same night that five people want me to get shot, if she was mafia?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:22 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:21 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 pm its easy for you to say now. fucking, do you know how annoying the nanook x jack thunderdome was??

and how bad it would have been if boo were town?
It was just as easy for me to say last night though? o:
JACK SCARES ME HE SAID SCARY THINGS

I'm just glad Nanook isn't going to yell at me post-game for being the one who did it. <3

By the way, I want control over who gets the gun today. I'm hijacking this game now that I'm confirmed town. <3

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 pm its easy for you to say now. fucking, do you know how annoying the nanook x jack thunderdome was??

and how bad it would have been if boo were town?

It was just as easy for me to say last night though? o:

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:17 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:16 pm I might give Jack the gun actually, Boo.
That'd be about on par with how the town has played this game, so I'm not sure why I'd expect anything else.

Are you including yourself in this? If not, I think you just slipped that you're not town. :P

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm i think both you and nanook are town

Why don't we just shoot Boo then as I've been saying?
i am shooting boo 8)

Why couldn't we have just done this? :P

Or G-Man, actually. He might be spewed town.

I might give Jack the gun actually, Boo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:50 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:03 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:51 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 12:28 am I'm very much convinced that there isn't a world where you Johann and Mac are all t.
...like

so like how do you feel going into this phase
Terrified that we are wrong about either you or Hyena.
What's your PoE looking like if both me and Funny are in it?
Don't shoot: Nanook

Probably a bad shot but boy does it spook me: FG and Hyena

Having second doubts on: Jack and Gman

Need to shoot: Boo

So, like, Boo is the person I wanted shot. If Wilgy is mafia, he has no reason to poison me unless, like, Boo is actually his partner and doesn't actually want me to get the gun.

Why couldn't we have just shot Boo again?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:02 am Also, if we're sticking to giving the gun to Funny today, I would either Wilgy or myself to have the gun tomorrow.

This is where I said I'd give the gun to either myself or Wilgy today, by the way.

Does Wilgy ever keep paranoia in the game about me possibly being scum during D4, then poison me N4, if he was mafia? If not, he might be the one you guys want to give the gun, too. Then again, he is also the one I said I'd give the gun to today, if it weren't me, so....

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:02 pm Yeah, I had a feeling that poison was coming, lol.

They didn't want me to get the gun today, I think.

Yeah, I had a feeling that poison was coming, lol.

Welp, so much for that bait. ;-;

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 7:59 pm Hi. Haven't read in days. Classes started this week and moving in a couple weeks so just haven't had time. Will read what I've missed tonight once the day starts if I'm alive.

Hi. I've got the gun and I'm shooting you tonight. :P

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm i think both you and nanook are town

Why don't we just shoot Boo then as I've been saying?
i am shooting boo 8)

Okay, cool. 8)

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm i think both you and nanook are town

Why don't we just shoot Boo then as I've been saying?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 3:01 pm The entire Nanook bs Jack first STARTED BECAUSE NANOOK TRIED TO TAKE BOO OUT OF THE POE WITHOUT SAYING WHY.

That fight expanded to take up the past three phases and two townies died saying what I’m saying.

It’s absolutely insane to me that people think Boo and me or Nanook and me are a viable wolfteam.

I miss Mac and Johann. I cannot stand having zero townreads who are paying attention.

I'm paying attention! I'm just worried about being shooting Nanook and being wrong, because I don't want him to be angry with me! D:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:51 pm I love you, Hyena.

You make me laugh.

<3

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:50 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:32 pm That’s such a scummy thing to say jfc
Which part? The part where I said I'd shoot whichever of you or Jack remains if the other flips scum? :P
Yeah that would be the part

Nah, I think that part is cool.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 2:32 pm That’s such a scummy thing to say jfc

Which part? The part where I said I'd shoot whichever of you or Jack remains if the other flips scum? :P

I'm glad you were both around to see and respond so quickly to me saying that. <3

I won't sus you Funny if you shoot town. In fact, if you shoot one of Nanook or Jack, and they flip scum, I'll shoot the other for you because they're making me think that they both know that Boo is town and that either of them are ready to take the town cred for getting the other shot if you do shoot mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

I had forgotten Jack had pushed against the initial towncore Nutella put together. Coincidentally, or maybe NOT so, I started drifting away from my Nanook top townread partially because of the arguments Jack was making. This tinfoily, but could Jack have been trying to pocket me and turn me against Nanook?

(Note: the other people who pushed against the towncore were Dusk, Johann, and Funny.)

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