The Syndicate

Dude, everyone wants to kill me now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.
Here is my current reason for G-Man, Drago, and Jack.
Surely at least one of those reads has evolved past this point, right?

Actually, yes. You're thing with Boo earlier made me townread you more and townread Boo less.

Okay, so, there weren't really any specific posts that screamed towny, Sloonei? Though --

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:55 pm I think this was one of those volatile Day 1s where we mistake activity for agenda and inevitably the suspects that emerge are players who try to make things happen, whereas the actual mafia are keeping a low profile and trying to maintain the status quo.

-- I remember liking this post from you because it felt like we were getting on the same page as far as the state of the game goes.

I dunno. I just feel good placing you in my townleans.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:34 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:31 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.
I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.
why?
Because I think everyone below that tier is less town or more scummy than you. :P
Why?
Which ones in particular do you want me to explain? :P All of them?
Sloonei

Oh, okay, hold on.

For Sloonei--

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:25 pm For Johann --

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 pm Just to keep notes, these are the people who pushed against the towncore suggested by Nutella:

Jack
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

Dusk
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Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:39 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.
So do you think all the people you consider good scum are just scum here, I assume not and you are just afraid to townread us?
Yeah, I'm just afraid to lock that group in as town especially at the beginning of D1.

There are players I can lock in as town after a post or two D1. Those players aren't on the list.
That's cool I agree

Johann
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Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 am Like i can go point by point and explain to you but that wouldnt change much. I just know you deserve a bullet.

Also i dislike these early reads - town cores, a monkey could do it since it is a small game and get some right. To me feels like people just wanna present themself to be active

Funny
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Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:10 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:08 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:07 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:06 pm Guys I think we have a winning solve actually
ok, shoot me
Does this mean you will give me the gun
rn, no. idg why you're a "billboard" town (what's a billboard). this towncore thing isn't something i agree with-- i think it's too early

I like Jack's and Dusk's pushback -- Jack, because he's going against the grain, and Dusk, because he asked Jack for clarification for what he meant before agreeing with the opinion.

Johann's pushback is a complete null to me. I didn't like that he shaded us, but he also suggested that people were doing it to look active, which is kinda funny to me. I want to say that he just didn't understand what we were doing? I dunno.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:38 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:11 am Is it just me or i see Hyena and Nook as the most tryhard here trying to power play it?
I don't get as serious of a vibe from others as much as from these two
And in my experience those that power play D1 are usually scum trying to get into good graces
lol

Johann wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:13 am Also lol at Hyena saying i was shading him. I didn't shade you, i legit said i don't like your or anyones town core lists
There is a difference buddy

And i am a he lol
I just have a feminine nickname
1.) "town cores, a monkey could do it since it is a small game and get some right. To me feels like people just wanna present themself to be active" is shading
2.) I said you were shading the people who were rolling with the proposed towncore at the time, not just me

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Here is my current reason for G-Man, Drago, and Jack.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:31 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.
I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.
why?
Because I think everyone below that tier is less town or more scummy than you. :P
Why?

Which ones in particular do you want me to explain? :P All of them?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:55 pm Anyway, of the people in the towncore, I'd probably shoot Nutella first? And then of the people who pushed back against the towncore, I'd probably shoot Funny first.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:55 pm Anyway, of the people in the towncore, I'd probably shoot Nutella first? And then of the people who pushed back against the towncore, I'd probably shoot Funny first.
And, just to make things complete, of the people who weren't involved at all {Boo, Dragomir, DrWilgy, G-Man, Mac, Sloonei}, I'd probably shoot Sloonei first with the caveat that I haven't really evaluated Dragomir yet.

boo wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.
I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.
Didn't Sloonei's line of questioning here start because you suspected him?

Oh, yeah, I'll show you why they were in my scum pile for a while. :P Hold on.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.
I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.
why?

Because I think everyone below that tier is less town or more scummy than you. :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:57 pm Okay, so, I think this is where where I am as far as reads go at the moment:

Me
Dusk
Boo

Mac
Nanook

Funny
G-Man

Jack
Johann
Dragomir

Summary:
Funny has risen out of my scumpile and has settled into null territory, mostly because I'm now a little more suspicious of Jack and Dragomir -- especially Dragomir. G-Man has sunk to null territory, too, because I'm feeling better about Mac and Nanook now. Dusk is confirmed town, and Boo remains my strongest townread.

So, I forgot to place both Wilgy and Sloonei. Here's what my list would like like with them in it. (the people within tiers aren't sorted by the way)

Me
Dusk
Boo

Mac
Nanook
Sloonei

Funny
G-Man
Wilgy

Jack
Johann
Dragomir

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:23 pm you never placed me on your rainbow, hyena.

I really fucked up then, because I forgot to place one other person, too.

I'd place you in town leans, though. I think Nanook and Mac were both in that tier.

For Johann --

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 pm Just to keep notes, these are the people who pushed against the towncore suggested by Nutella:

Jack
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

Dusk
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Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:39 am
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.
So do you think all the people you consider good scum are just scum here, I assume not and you are just afraid to townread us?
Yeah, I'm just afraid to lock that group in as town especially at the beginning of D1.

There are players I can lock in as town after a post or two D1. Those players aren't on the list.
That's cool I agree

Johann
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Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:45 am Like i can go point by point and explain to you but that wouldnt change much. I just know you deserve a bullet.

Also i dislike these early reads - town cores, a monkey could do it since it is a small game and get some right. To me feels like people just wanna present themself to be active

Funny
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Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:10 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:08 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:07 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 12:06 pm Guys I think we have a winning solve actually
ok, shoot me
Does this mean you will give me the gun
rn, no. idg why you're a "billboard" town (what's a billboard). this towncore thing isn't something i agree with-- i think it's too early

I like Jack's and Dusk's pushback -- Jack, because he's going against the grain, and Dusk, because he asked Jack for clarification for what he meant before agreeing with the opinion.

Johann's pushback is a complete null to me. I didn't like that he shaded us, but he also suggested that people were doing it to look active, which is kinda funny to me. I want to say that he just didn't understand what we were doing? I dunno.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 2:38 pm
Johann wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:11 am Is it just me or i see Hyena and Nook as the most tryhard here trying to power play it?
I don't get as serious of a vibe from others as much as from these two
And in my experience those that power play D1 are usually scum trying to get into good graces
lol

Johann wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:13 am Also lol at Hyena saying i was shading him. I didn't shade you, i legit said i don't like your or anyones town core lists
There is a difference buddy

And i am a he lol
I just have a feminine nickname
1.) "town cores, a monkey could do it since it is a small game and get some right. To me feels like people just wanna present themself to be active" is shading
2.) I said you were shading the people who were rolling with the proposed towncore at the time, not just me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:21 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:41 pm
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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine
Oh, fuck that, lol

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
I vote for Macdougall to get the gun. Hyena reacts strongly to that by jumping straight off the macwagon. Why? I do not know. I feel like several people just decided to distrust me the moment I showed up in the thread. It was goofy. Hynea was among them.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.
all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.
Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.
I observe Hyena's disposition toward me. They reply by saying they would not shoot me. Apparently something changed when I started posting. I don't know what the reference for any of this is.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:39 pm

all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.
Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.
you jumped off a wagon because i was on it like 20 minutes ago
Yeah, that scared me, because I wasn't expecting it! I wasn't really scumreading you that much before that, though!

I observe that this new statement is contrary to Hyena's impulsive response to my vote moments ago. They say some stuff about me that I continue to not follow. My vote scared Hyena off of Mac. I was at one point a suspect, but not when I cast the Scary Vote, which was scary because it was unexpected, but I wasn't a suspect, but I was scary. I had no indication other than Hyena's harsh reaction to my vote that suggested I was ever a suspect. Apparently I was not a suspect at that time, but I had been earlier.
This does not compute. I don't know what the accusation is here. There might not be one. It was just a jarring thing that stood out to me.
Mac was calling you scum, so I didn't expect you to vote for him. o: So, I thought I was suddenly making a mistake voting for Mac when you suddenly voted in support of him. ;-;
I still do not follow. How does mac's read on me affect any of this?

Y'all could be mafia together and just trying to get people to vote for Mac. :P That's what my head instantly went to when I saw that happen.

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 9:04 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:20 am Ok-why?
Hyena seems as a try hard. Idk its a gut feeling. I am a good scum player and i can smell other scum. He smells scummy. I can iso some posts later.

He also put me in his scum read without even pushing for me or explaining

Yeh, I was feeling lazy. Fortunately, I found more people to townread so that I could just POE read you as scum. I did give you an explanation though. You just never responded to it. :P

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:07 am Shoot Drago then me, but shoot Drago first

I like this order, yeh.

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:07 am Gman is a fed up townie
Hyena is a tryhard
Nanook is powering but in a genuine way

I agree with all of these. <3

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:07 am Hyena is just smoke but no fire

I hate to admit it, but yeah, most of the time this is probably true. ;-; Being both lazy and indecisive doesn't help me in that regard.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:41 pm
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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 8:59 pm [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine
Oh, fuck that, lol

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
I vote for Macdougall to get the gun. Hyena reacts strongly to that by jumping straight off the macwagon. Why? I do not know. I feel like several people just decided to distrust me the moment I showed up in the thread. It was goofy. Hynea was among them.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.
all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.
Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.
I observe Hyena's disposition toward me. They reply by saying they would not shoot me. Apparently something changed when I started posting. I don't know what the reference for any of this is.

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Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.
all three of those players have expressed disapproval of me.
Oh, I stopped considering you the one I'd shoot the most of the people who didn't get involved in the towncore discussion once you started posting more.
you jumped off a wagon because i was on it like 20 minutes ago
Yeah, that scared me, because I wasn't expecting it! I wasn't really scumreading you that much before that, though!

I observe that this new statement is contrary to Hyena's impulsive response to my vote moments ago. They say some stuff about me that I continue to not follow. My vote scared Hyena off of Mac. I was at one point a suspect, but not when I cast the Scary Vote, which was scary because it was unexpected, but I wasn't a suspect, but I was scary. I had no indication other than Hyena's harsh reaction to my vote that suggested I was ever a suspect. Apparently I was not a suspect at that time, but I had been earlier.
This does not compute. I don't know what the accusation is here. There might not be one. It was just a jarring thing that stood out to me.

Mac was calling you scum, so I didn't expect you to vote for him. o: So, I thought I was suddenly making a mistake voting for Mac when you suddenly voted in support of him. ;-;

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Incorrect, because I'm town. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:30 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.
Hyena is a bowl of jello, Jack is a pineapple tart, Johann is a slightly disappointing curry, Mac is, of course, an entire chicken in a can, as his signature says.

Lime Jello

'Sup. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:11 pm This is an irrelevant conversation at this point tbh I’m satisfied

In that case, Imma gonna go play some games now. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:54 pm Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh
You weren't verbose last time though? And I definitely wouldn't call you cooperative last game, since you wouldn't go along with my plan to confirm Jack and Tony when there were seven of us left. :P
Cooperative in the sense that I was willing to expound on things I’m not normally willing to, not in the sense that I went along with plays that would likely lose me the game

I’d say I was fairly verbose last time compared to my norm? I don’t typically put up as many game related posts in a game that size when I’m town (there are exceptions, but none that you’ve been in lol).

I didn't notice that? I don't usually pay attention to what you are willing and not willing to do since I always remember you having those kinds of quirks in your playstyle. I just mostly remember you not being cooperative to a game plan that would have won town the game. :P And just getting this vibe that you weren't town.

Also, in Inception mafia, I was also correct in seeing that you were town. :P I was getting a towny vibe from you that game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:54 pm Less about my opinion of its accuracy and more about your experience with me—both times you’ve played with scumNanook I’ve been fairly verbose and cooperative, and not particularly curt (relative to my town game at least).

There’s also that I was consciously playing differently during most of D1, so it’s a wee bit worrying that you’d think that’s genuine. Especially when I said at the start it wasn’t lol.

So yeah, I’d expect “hm, Nanook is being verbose” to translate to a scumread more often than a townread tbh

You weren't verbose last time though? And I definitely wouldn't call you cooperative last game, since you wouldn't go along with my plan to confirm Jack and Tony when there were seven of us left. :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:43 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:38 pm Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?
What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.
I’m saying if your read had been based off these reasons:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:34 pm I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?
Do you see why I’d be concerned about it?
Because you think my read on you would be inaccurate because I'm reading you based on something I shouldn't be reading you on?

I'll have you know it worked last time. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:43 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:40 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:38 pm Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?
What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.
I’m saying if your read had been based off these reasons:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:34 pm I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?
Do you see why I’d be concerned about it?

Because you think my read on you would be inaccurate because I'm reading you based on something I shouldn't be reading you on?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:38 pm Anyways, can you tell me why that would be concerning for me?

What do you mean? Why should you be concerned right now? I'm TRing you now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:38 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:37 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:34 pm I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?
I... don't know?
I don't think I am? At least, in my mind I'm not? I don't really know how to explain it.
Seems like something you should know!

Dude, I dunno.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:34 pm I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?
I... don't know?

I don't think I am? At least, in my mind I'm not? I don't really know how to explain it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:34 pm I guess what I’m getting at is that you seem to tone reading me town for being verbose and relatively cooperative, and when I’m shorter/more curt/more concise, that’s pinging you.

Is that accurate?

I... don't know?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:23 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:17 pm I’m more interested in what you perceived as a tone shift/why you thought that shift was scummy
It wasn't the shift itself. It was what it shifted to.
Yeah yeah, same difference.

What about it pinged you? Like, what made it seem similar to the corona game?

Also I use Incessantly IRL, so...
I... don't know if I can put it into words? Like, I got a sense of indifference in some of your posts in the Corona game, and I started getting the vibe here?

Though, right now, I feel like you're genuinely interested in this answer, which is actually different entirely? Kinda? Like, I'm not saying you haven't seemed genuinely interested at any point in the game, but you seem more so right this second than you have been?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:23 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:17 pm I’m more interested in what you perceived as a tone shift/why you thought that shift was scummy
It wasn't the shift itself. It was what it shifted to.
Yeah yeah, same difference.

What about it pinged you? Like, what made it seem similar to the corona game?

Also I use Incessantly IRL, so...

I... don't know if I can put it into words? Like, I got a sense of indifference in some of your posts in the Corona game, and I started getting the vibe here?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:17 pm I’m more interested in what you perceived as a tone shift/why you thought that shift was scummy

It wasn't the shift itself. It was what it shifted to.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:55 pm I’m content with this poll

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm Give dusk the gun guys he’s B I L L B O A R D

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:34 pm
Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:31 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:30 pm I don’t super hate a hyena shot tbh but I’m also not sure I can read hyena
WHEN I SAID HYENA COULD DIE YOU SAID I WAS WRONG AND IT MADE ME INSECURE ABOUT THE PUSH DUMMY
I CANT BE EXPECTED TO REMEMBER OR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THINGS THAT HAPPENED MORE THAN 5 MINUTES AGO OK

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:23 pm I kinda don’t see nutella as bad here tbh. Like it’s not a hard town read but I’m not getting the pings from her I have in the past

These posts from end of D1/start of N1, on the other hand, feel different than the ones I quoted in my previous post, and feel closer to what I saw in Corona Virus Mafia. Like, in the first post, there's, like, a complete lack of emotion in the "I'm content with this poll". I also think the

emoji really pings me when you use it, because you used it A BUNCH in the last game and it made me question your alignment each time I read a post with it in it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:09 am The reason I should get the gun is because if you’re town I won’t shoot you and if you’re Mafia you’re the mafia that I’ll mistakenly TR.

There you go, bingo bango bongo

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:13 am Wait is tommy in this game

Fuck I should’ve started off with guess this is an easy game ladies and gents, since Mr. Polarized is here to give us a free read

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:14 am Although I guess I got him backwards last two games so lolme

I’m going to declare that too small of a sample size to reverse a trend tho, now it’s loltommy again

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:16 am Should this be the game high volume nanook comes out of hiding?

Like, these four posts alone are, from my POV, drastically different than the Nanook I saw last game. And I felt like you kept up with this kind of tone (or vibe? I dunno if tone is the correct term here).

Like, even when you were calling ideas stupid, it felt different than when you did it previously when you were scum. Like --

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 6:20 am Anyone that self kills is quite literally game throwing

Your arguments otherwise are to be blunt fairly inane and wrongheaded

I feel like if you were scum, you'd just say that the idea was stupid, but not go as far as calling it game throwing.

(Will have more to say in a moment...)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:07 pm No I get the when, I’m asking about the WHY

As in, what changed in my tone

Okay, I'll go find examples. Gimme a few minutes.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

It was around this post where you started drifting into non-TR territory for me, Nanook. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:01 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:57 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:46 pm My suspicion of Nanook is fading, and I'm beginning to think that the original towncore that Nutella put out was, indeed, all town. I'm okay with giving him the gun today.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
Why
Which part are you questioning?
Why you’re voting me over boo, and your entire progression on me. What made you start doubting your Tr of me, and what brought you back to TRing me?

1.) I'm voting you over Boo now because Boo's wagon isn't gaining traction.
2.) I started doubting my TR of you during the night phase, because I felt like you were drifting into the same tonal territory as Corona Virus mafia around that time.
3.) What brought me back to TRing you was Dragomir, who I now think is scum, voting you after you said you didn't want to shoot him.

Oh wait, Wilgy is in the game, too. I'd throw him in the null pile with G-Man and Funny, but towards the top of it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:46 pm My suspicion of Nanook is fading, and I'm beginning to think that the original towncore that Nutella put out was, indeed, all town. I'm okay with giving him the gun today.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
Why

Which part are you questioning?

Okay, so, I think this is where where I am as far as reads go at the moment:

Me
Dusk
Boo

Mac
Nanook

Funny
G-Man

Jack
Johann
Dragomir

Summary:
Funny has risen out of my scumpile and has settled into null territory, mostly because I'm now a little more suspicious of Jack and Dragomir -- especially Dragomir. G-Man has sunk to null territory, too, because I'm feeling better about Mac and Nanook now. Dusk is confirmed town, and Boo remains my strongest townread.

My suspicion of Nanook is fading, and I'm beginning to think that the original towncore that Nutella put out was, indeed, all town. I'm okay with giving him the gun today.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:58 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:45 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:49 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?
Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 pm I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho
-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.
Why does it matter which order I do it first?

I didn't even see that post. I came into the thread saying I don't know what to do. Nanook told me to vote for him. Did exactly that.

Okay. At EoD yesterday, why didn't you vote for me or Boo when we told you to vote for us since we could get the votes to get us the gun? What was the difference between those instances of people asking for your vote and this instance here with Nanook?

[VOTE: Boo] aubergine

I'm not against G-Man having the gun. I was against Nanook having the gun, but I wanna see Drago's answer to my question because it might change things.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:49 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 pm I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:46 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.
Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Yeah. Drago's was the most explicit of the three:

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:03 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:41 pm @Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?
Most likely, yeah.
Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

Jack's was less explicit, but I felt like he joined in on the support for similar reasons:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:14 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:48 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:03 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:41 pm @Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?
Most likely, yeah.
Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.
This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.
Why? What about that post is good?
Seems to be the kinda thing a town player would say.

I’m kinda down with Nutella getting shot cause if she’s a wolf, I’ll take credit and if she’s town, I can say it isn’t my fault.

After rereading G-Man's ISO, I kinda believe him that he didn't join because I said I'd shoot Nutella. He made no mention of Nutella whenever he voted me, and he also mentioned that he'd prefer either of me or Mac getting the gun, not just me.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:35 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:58 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:55 pm

I have zero idea but I’m certainly not going to TR them for doing something very easy to fake lol
I wasn't TRing them? I thought I was saying why I'd go with one first over the other. o:
FG was/is
Why are you not liking me saying that I thought it was a good point then?
Cause it isn’t a good point, wtf kind of question is this
It's not a good point if I'm only using it to decide which one I'd kill first before the other?
You literally said it was a good point, tho

I know I said it was a good point. Are you saying it's not a good point if I'm only using it decide which one I'd kill first before the other?

Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:17 pm This isn't productive. Let's get back to finding wolves. I'm more interested in finding who is bad than spending another 2 days labouring over who gets the gun. I don't think the wolves are gonna get the gun. I don't think they want the gun.

Cool, I think we're on the same page now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:02 pm Anyone who feels like they have a right to insult me for the decision I ended up making can eat my whole ass. Very few of you offered any assistance in arriving to this decision and quite frankly the last 24 hours have been extremely unenjoyable.

Nah. Nutella was who I was going to shoot, too, if I had managed to get the gun. Don't feel bad. :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:01 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:00 pm Also cause you think it’s a good point but also maintain him in your shot pool.
Mac asked me who I'd kill first. Why would I not maintain him in my shot pool?

Did you miss that entire convo?

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