The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:08 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm He was blocked both N2 AND N3.
No, you targeted him N2 and N3, but he didn't get a block message N2. He did get a block message N3. That suggests that the roleblock did not work N2 - and Marmot said that whether or not the roleblocks work are determined by an unknown mechanic.

TSP, did you receive a block message? I assumed that you assumed that you got blocked since there wasn't any indication in the day opening post that anybody was locked up today like when Mac and Alison were locked up the other day.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:06 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.
How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?
He tried to lock up Quin N3. He was blocked N3, but not N2.
He was blocked both N2 AND N3.

Our blocks were,
N1 Poison
N2 TSP
N3 TSP

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:06 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.
How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?
He tried to lock up Quin N3. He was blocked N3, but not N2.

He was blocked both N2 AND N3.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:03 pm TSP came into this thread knowing he was blocked.

He didn't know who blocked him, which means he didn't acquire that information by reading the thread.

Ergo nanook sent him a message saying he was blocked.

TSP did not claim a block N2.

Ergo nanook did not send him a message saying he was blocked.

We know the block only works sometimes, and operates by some secret mechanic nobody knows anything about.

Occam's Razor: TSP was not blocked N2 because of [however the block mechanic works], and neither was Poison. TSP was blocked N3 because he got the "blocked" message.

How else could his night action (locking up Quin) be stopped then?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:58 pm Then how did TSP know you blocked him today? He asked "who blocked me" so he can't have known by reading the thread, since if he had he'd know who blocked him.

Maybe it's because he tried locking Quin up last night and it didn't go through? And the punk gang also confirmed that we could RB people yesterday.

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:42 am @Poison who is mafia?
Hmm.. I don't know the answer yet. I think I don't see Alison as bad as I was seeing her before. I'll be reading the thread again.

I visited mac last night but nothing happened. I wonder if it is because of my role's probabilities or it had something to do with him being outside the thread rn.

No RB message it looks like, but it looks like the roleblock might have gone through?

Oh wait...

Poison.

We blocked Poison N1.

From earlier, Quin:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

@Quin

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 pm Being roleblocked gives you a "you were roleblocked message". We know this because TSP came into the thread asking why he got blocked.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
TSP did not claim being blocked the night before last. Ergo he was not blocked the night before last, and your roleblock failed somehow. So TSP is not mechanically confirmed.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:25 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:23 pm And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.
I'm not bringing us into LYLO just to get information.

I think TSP is scum. If he's around for LYLO, I'm always voting him.

And even if TSP is somehow town, I feel like yeeting TSP here is the correct play regardless so that we can get some insight into what happened/what's happening.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:19 pm I feel like TSP has basically just been outed by mechanics and excuses are being made around that and he's disappeared without explanation and we should just yeet him into the sun lol

Yeah, I'm getting to the point where I'm running out of ideas that point anywhere other than TSP being scum who had their nightkill RB'd by us. I'm okay with just yeeting him right now if you guys want to.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.
Don't fish for PRs please.
I really think it's the time to just have our cards out, if you have an argument as to why that's dangerous then fine but like mafia already know things that we don't and getting more info out in the open can help us solve this

I was fully expecting to be NKed for my role already so like, whatever
If there's a protector shouldn't you want them to stay hidden so you can stay alive?

I already suggested you could be a protector in punk chat. That was why I voted to RB nutella over you.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:10 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm So, my punk gang can back me on this, but I thought Alison could have been a protective role, which is why I didn't want to vote her yesterday. I hadn't realized Syn flipped Bodyguard though, lol.
But now that that doesn't seem to be case, I think the night kill was stopped by our RB, lol.

Unless, of course, night kills aren't mandatory as Marmot suggested earlier.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm So, my punk gang can back me on this, but I thought Alison could have been a protective role, which is why I didn't want to vote her yesterday. I hadn't realized Syn flipped Bodyguard though, lol.

But now that that doesn't seem to be case, I think the night kill was stopped by our RB, lol.

So, my punk gang can back me on this, but I thought Alison could have been a protective role, which is why I didn't want to vote her yesterday. I hadn't realized Syn flipped Bodyguard though, lol.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:29 pm A Shark Attacks

With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.

@MacDougall has died and flips:

Time Travelling Steampunk

You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:

Paranoid Badass

If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8
So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.

Okay, I think this post is what lead me to think you could cancel our roleblock. "Override" meant cancel in my head at that moment, even if the 2nd sentence would make it vague.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 pm Marmot, did you stop the roleblock from happening the first time we voted TSP?
No, I can only redirect the target, not cancel it.

I believe you could clarify with the host as well. I didn't realize he would share with the punks who the new target was when I changed it, but I presume he hasn't done that on previous nights because the voted target was the one we executed on.

I thought you said you could cancel it. o: Lemme recheck things.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:57 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 pm Being roleblocked gives you a "you were roleblocked message". We know this because TSP came into the thread asking why he got blocked.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
TSP did not claim being blocked the night before last. Ergo he was not blocked the night before last, and your roleblock failed somehow. So TSP is not mechanically confirmed.
@Hyena

Okay, my bad.

Marmot, did you have anything to do with the roleblock failing?

Marmot, did you stop the roleblock from happening the first time we voted TSP?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

Do you think the lost wolf can make night kills? Because this is the 2nd night in a row that we RB'd TSP, and a kill went through the first time.

WAIT A MINUTE!

Didn't we RB TSP the night before, too? We haven't yeeted mafia since then. Who made the kill the night before if TSP is the only one who could make night kills?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:35 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:35 pm I think I want to hear from other people before I continue talking.
But you're a hyena

Okay.

I THINK I WANT TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE I CONTINUE LAUGHING AND BEING A HYENA

<3

I think I want to hear from other people before I continue talking.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:29 pm Actually, if TSP was the killer and I blocked him, would there even be a mafia in the Punk group? If there was, wouldn't they just have that person make the kill since it would be impossible for them to be blocked?

That's actually a good point.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:27 pm I wonder if we should just have everyone full claim at this point? Might not be helpful since roles are independent of alignment so mafia can't really be caught in anything (and could potentially hold stuff back), and there's the fear of giving them more info, but a fair amount of info is out there already and maybe we should just lay out all our cards to see what we have to work with.

Just plain VT outside of the punk gang stuff and the group RB stuff.

Wait a minute. Didn't TSP receive info N2/D3? If that's the case, could Alison be the one who's giving out the info? But why would she tell you to shoot her?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:21 pm I wonder if I received the info from mafia and am specifically being told of a town target as bait...

Maybe that's crazy though? Idk the info-giving thing fits as TSP's claim and it could be giving me info that can theoretically help mafia if it's the negative side

TSP was RB'd last night though. Does his info giving ignore RBs?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:18 pm I am feeling very conflicted. If we're confident TSP is mafia I probably shouldn't shoot my target today because they are unlikely to be w/w imo. That probably reveals who it is lol.

If it's Marmot, I wouldn't shoot right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:16 pm Yeah Syn died N1 in place of someone else (presumably; he was suspected and prob died in place of Sloonei)

Okay, if this is the case, then we were lucky that Marmot changed our target because I hadn't realized that a bodyguard had already flipped and that was the logic behind my voting decision.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!
It's also possible mafia didn't nightkill last night in an attempt to frame. They wouldn't have known I was going to switch the target, so if that's the case, the would've done it with nutella in mind.

Are nightkills not mandatory?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm I didn't want mafia to easily see who we were roleblocking assuming they were in our private chat, so I lied when I promised I I wasn't going to change it.

This is actually a sick play.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm That definitely changes things lol

I think TSP being the killer is way, way more likely than there being a doc. For various reasons including but not limited to TSP making sense as mafia in other ways, and there having been a bodyguard already.

Wait, there was a bodyguard that flipped?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:14 pm Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!

Actually, maybe not. Hmm.

Wait a minute.... I think this locks TSP as mafia!

Actually, that does change things a little I think.

Okay then. Just replace Nutella with TSP in what I just said!

Wait... I just looked at punk chat, and it's true. TSP -was- targeted. Huh.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:09 pm Hyena, I did change our target from nutella to TSP.
Wait, you can switch our target?

I thought you could only veto our decision?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:09 pm Hyena, I did change our target from nutella to TSP.

Wait, you can switch our target?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:08 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:05 pm Also, with 2-1 votes, the punk gang chose to RB Nutella last night with the logic that she probably isn't a town protective role considering her ability to shoot people during the day. The votes were me+Trustworthy for Nutella and Quin for Alison.
Are you sure about that?

If you didn't allow the RB to go through, then we 100% have a town protective and they got a save last night, which is why I'm saying do -NOT- jump on Nutella.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Oh I'm not dead ok

I have a bit of a quandary and should probably just lay it out

In the night I received info that a certain person is someone I can target and successfully kill in the day. However as we know I do not know their alignment and could end up killing town. I personally think that I should just go for it as I think it's more likely they are mafia, but if it ends up they're town I think that pretty much brings us to mylo and we'd want to sleep the vote in that case. I'm willing to hear input on this before I just toss out a hero shot lol.

Is this part of your ability? Because we RB'd you last night. o:

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.

me+Trust vs Quin is what I meant
sorry, words+excited hyena don't mix

Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:05 pm Also, with 2-1 votes, the punk gang chose to RB Nutella last night with the logic that she probably isn't a town protective role considering her ability to shoot people during the day. The votes were me+Trustworthy for Nutella and Quin for Alison.

DO NOT ASSUME THAT WE RB'D A POTENTIAL NIGHT KILL YET THOUGH.

Also, with 2-1 votes, the punk gang chose to RB Nutella last night with the logic that she probably isn't a town protective role considering her ability to shoot people during the day. The votes were me+Trustworthy for Nutella and Quin for Alison.

IF THERE IS A TOWN PROTECTIVE, DO -NOT- CLAIM RIGHT NOW.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:33 pm Why does TH randomly bus Quin when both myself and Marmot were easy to justify pushing on though? I don't really get the sense that TH is someone who busses a lot as scum

People seemed afraid of you in punk chat -- not in an alignment kind of way, but in a skill-based paranoid kind of way. They think you're good at mafia. o: If TH is mafia, maybe they didn't want to fight with you over Quin who would be a much easier fight.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:30 pm note: if you believe that there are 2 wolves in punk chat, and you trust hyena and marmot (which you probably should if you believe tha there are 2 wolves in punk chat), then the only world that TL isn't scum is if the team is exactly TH/quin. TH was gunning for Quin's death earlier so ask yourself if you think TH would feel any pressure at all to bus Quin here when they could have easily gone for Marmot or even me.

If you don't think it's exactly TH/Quin then TL has to be one of the mafia in the punk chat.

TH + Quin was actually the two I had in mind. :x I'm still thinking about it though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:17 pm I'm sorry but I refuse to believe nanook put two out of (presumably) four mafia in the out of thread gang and didn't bring them back after we killed two mafia d1

if the d2 thread was pure I'm never playing a nanook game again
There are like 3 people in this thread that were in D2. I'm betting they're pure. Now, it's my fault for locking up Alison if Alison's a wolf and it's Marmot's fault for not pulling them back but D2 thread could easily have been pure.

Also, Marmot could have pulled us back into the thread on D2. He could do it anytime between phases.

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