The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

Maybe Wilgy and Jack aren't mafia together?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:27 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:26 am I am supremely uncomfortable with this "towncore." (I know people will say "Jack is just scum for pushing against a correct towncore" but I don't care.)

Nanook just endgame won against an entire town that scumread him. He basically soloed the win after losing one teammate D2 and the other had to be replaced twice and died the phase after the second replacement.

Nutella stepped up her scumgame a lot in the last two, three performances including fooling me (who would normally catch her on D1 or D2) and getting vig killed on like N3 after not being voted for a single time all game).

I am 0 and 3 in reading Dusk.

You might as well add Sloonei to the core if you really want to tilt me.

While I understand the fear that Nanook has implanted, I disagree.

POE and making a vig out of a POE that we agree with seems like the best way to hunt. Unless there's a specific target we voted the vig in place for as boo stated.

Okay, so, I like the feel of this post, but I can't help but notice that he's pushing an idea that Boo apparently also pushed. Suggests again that there could be something going on between those two? With that said, it turned out that initial towncore (me, Nanook, Nutella, Duskfall) was in fact all town, sooo....

Oh wait, I'm reading his posts in the wrong order.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Incorrect, because I'm town. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hyena is a bowl of jello, Jack is a pineapple tart, Johann is a slightly disappointing curry, Mac is, of course, an entire chicken in a can, as his signature says.

Lime Jello

Bad answer.

Overreaction to my response, lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

sounds like you've got a case of stranger danger.

that said, hyena would be on my short list too. i was reviewing the eod events from yesterday. i have an observation to make. Everyone get ready. A thing is about to be observed in this thread.

I'm not a stranger to Hyena. After getting Covid with them, I do believe we share similar methods and processes when it comes to lines of thought.

Johann... maybe lol

*Patiently waits for observations*

No discussion about how I'm different here compared to Corona Virus mafia.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:49 pm Y'all vote for me. I'll talk about killing Jack or Johann but will probably submit a kill on Hyena.

Doesn't mention Boo here. Probably planned to cast suspicion on to Jack and Johann here to keep them ahead of Boo in the shoot order. Wasn't I the most suspected person at this point in the game? If so, he's just taking advantage of my position in the game by not wanting to talk about me like he does with Jack and Johann.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:39 pm Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama

You have an order of preference for these? mine would be Hyena > Jack > Mac > Boo.

I'm just going to take this at face value and say that if Wilgy is scum and listed his partner in those four, Boo is the most likely person to be with him.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:09 pm Locking shots in during the day is fairly suboptimal imo, let’s not do that

I mean, I get why you're saying this, but I did find scum!Dragomir because I "locked" Nutella as my shot D1. And, it became even more clear when you "locked" Dragomir as NOT your shot D2. :P I think both strategies have their use. Yours definitely got us more info during N2, I think.

What happened to the votes? I'm gonna switch to Johann if people don't move back to Funny.

So, I was doing some thinking after Funny suggested shooting Wilgy tonight instead of waiting. If there's only one mafia between Boo and Jack, and if Mac is town, then that would make Wilgy automatically mafia assuming our towncore is correct. Thus, maybe Wilgy isn't a bad shot tonight. I'd be okay with a shot on either of him or Boo tonight.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:15 pm Hyena question for you

Why didnt you push for Dragomir despite scum reading him

I only started scumreading Dragomir at the beginning of D2. Two things happened that made me start scumreading him -- 1. Nutella flipped town, and 2. he voted to give Nanook the gun after Nanook said he wouldn't shoot Drago if he received the gun. I feel like I brought up both of these points multiple times throughout D2. That was my push on Dragomir. I wasn't as active on D2 as I was on D1, though, so maybe the volume of my posts (or the lack of it) made it feel like less of a push? Like, I feel like I did push for Drago.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:10 pm I feel like I need a little help interpreting the new-to-me folk. I liked Hyena Day 1 but he looked nervous Night 2 after Nanook named him in his shot list. Is that normal Hyena behavior one way or the other?

Yes, I get nervous when people mention they want to kill me. I don't know if it's AI though, since I think I'd be able to fake that as scum.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:10 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:59 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:39 am With that said, if we do shoot Jack first and he flips scum, that might clear Mac altogether.

We’re never shooting me unless a wolf gets the gun.

Why would wolfs shoot you? You are a waste of shot if you are town. You are suspected as it is by a lot of people. Why would mafia kill someone they can frame

-- Why would mafia frame someone if they don't intend to have them shot by either themselves if they get the gun or by town?

Simple

To waste time and energy

Hmm. Fair point.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:09 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:01 pm Johann, I'm willing to make a compromise with you.

Right now, my PoE is {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}

I will let you put me in the PoE and even allow you to put a bullet in me if, AND ONLY IF, you can show me that one of the other four in my PoE is most likely town.

Does that sound fair?

Here is what i want from you.
Why Boo instead of you

Because Boo pretty much used the same argument that I was using to push Nutella, yet apparently, he never townread me for pushing Nutella. It's kinda like how Dragomir initially voted for me to get the gun because I promised to shoot Nutella throughout D1.

They both were pushing Nutella, and were trying to use me, by various means, to get her killed.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:01 pm Johann, I'm willing to make a compromise with you.

Right now, my PoE is {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}

I will let you put me in the PoE and even allow you to put a bullet in me if, AND ONLY IF, you can show me that one of the other four in my PoE is most likely town.

Does that sound fair?

Here is what i want from you.
Why Boo instead of you

Because Boo pretty much used the same argument that I was using to push Nutella, yet apparently, he never townread me for pushing Nutella. It's kinda like how Dragomir initially voted for me to get the gun because I promised to shoot Nutella throughout D1.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:59 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:39 am With that said, if we do shoot Jack first and he flips scum, that might clear Mac altogether.

We’re never shooting me unless a wolf gets the gun.

Why would wolfs shoot you? You are a waste of shot if you are town. You are suspected as it is by a lot of people. Why would mafia kill someone they can frame

-- Why would mafia frame someone if they don't intend to have them shot by either themselves if they get the gun or by town?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 12:01 pm Johann, I'm willing to make a compromise with you.

Right now, my PoE is {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}

I will let you put me in the PoE and even allow you to put a bullet in me if, AND ONLY IF, you can show me that one of the other four in my PoE is most likely town.

Does that sound fair?

And the reason I'm suggesting this is because if you can make me feel confident that one of those four people are for sure town, then I don't have to care whether I live or not because we'd still have autowin with my death.

Johann, I'm willing to make a compromise with you.

Right now, my PoE is {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}

I will let you put me in the PoE and even allow you to put a bullet in me if, AND ONLY IF, you can show me that one of the other four in my PoE is most likely town.

Does that sound fair?

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:40 amI still wanna go for Boo or hyena first. But eventually i will come for you too

So, you think there's no more than one scum between me and Boo? Also, what do you think about Jack?

With that said, if we do shoot Jack first and he flips scum, that might clear Mac altogether.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:40 am I think Jack is scum. He's the least town player in the game. Hasn't done anything impactful aside from summon almighty ATE to move my gun from his head. I'd like that to be the shot.

Boo has been solid town read for me all game but he is in the POE all the same. I'd prefer Wilgy shot over him.

I am confident that everyone else I've named is town. Even Hyena. I think Hyena and myself are the only valid bad shots here so I fully expect to see arguments towards us. Hyena is exceptionally townie by content and his reads echo mine. He hasn't built his reads in a way to give himself outs.

Ehhh... I think I would've agreed with you on Jack, like, D1 and early D2, but I think he's improved. I think I'd always go with a Boo shot first to see if he flips scum. With that said, I feel like resolving those two is my biggest priority right now. If we do manage to find a mafia between them on our next shot, I would then probably shoot Wilgy, then you on the next day if Wilgy flips town. That's how I think I'd handle this. Granted, that requires us finding mafia between Jack and Boo.

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 3:16 am I have a feeling mafia is one of people trying to discredit me as scum after last night. I def sense a mafia in there. Even if i am not 100% confirmed i reckon mafia wants to downplay me to prevent further pushes.

Amongst people sussing
Hyena - Dougall - Nanook

Umm --

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:39 pmTown pile: {Hyena, Sloonei, Funny, Nanook, Johann}

Just need to find one more, and we can PoE the rest.

-- I'm not sussing you right now? Have you stopped reading my posts, too? :P

Hey Funny --

Johann wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:49 am
Talk some more about Drago. I have no idea why you think he deserves to get shot as well.

Cause we play on the same forum and he is sheeping a lot. Drago town i know leads a lot. Tries to get opinions and stuff. Not just bluntly say shoot X Y Z

-- is this the case you're talking about? If it is, I wouldn't call it a -case- case. It's more just evidence that he could be scum -- granted, it's very unique evidence. Either way, yeah, it looks like he pushing Drago nearly the entire game. I'm cool with putting him into the town pile.

Town pile: {Hyena, Sloonei, Funny, Nanook, Johann}

Just need to find one more, and we can PoE the rest.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:30 pm johann was the first to catch dragomir @ hyena. like he had a case case

Okay, okay. I'll go take a look at it. If this is the case, then yeah, I'd probably include him in the towncore.

Okay, so after the four people I mentioned, things get a bit hazy.

HOWEVER

Theoretically, us four would need to find only two more town to have autowin, assuming we're correct about everything.

Out of the remaining six, {Boo, Wilgy, G-Man, Jack, Johann, MacDougall}, I feel the most confident about G-Man being town. Most of it comes down to the emotional reaction he had D2 when he was frustrated about how fast the game was going. It felt genuine, and I feel like if he was mafia, his partners would keep him filled in on what was going on. Thus, I would want to include him in my towncore.

Funny has been calling Johann town, and Nanook has been talking about bringing him to F3 regardless of his alignment. I need help seeing that he's town, and it would be great if I can do that since that would make him a good option for our second towny.

After that, I don't have much of a read on Wilgy yet, but after seeing him in Corona Virus mafia, I think he'd be able to show that he's obvtown. I don't know if just hasn't had that chance yet whether it's due to time, RL commitments, or something else. I'm not willing to kill him yet.

That leaves {Boo, Jack, Mac}. I don't think there's more than one scum in Boo and Jack just based on the argument they had D2. Thus, we could also potentially look for town in that pair. Granted, there's also the chance that both of them are town.

Finally, Mac is just ??? If we go with calling Johann town and G-Man town, then he's already in the PoE.

Altogether, the PoE for me right now would be {Boo, Jack, Mac, Wilgy}. Things that would change it would be us finding clear town in Jack or Boo, or Wilgy becoming obvtown today by doing what he did in Corona Virus mafia.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:02 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:00 pm Cool.

So, I feel like moving Nanook and Funny (as well as Sloonei) up to my topmost tier after last night. I felt good about the interactions I had with them.

That’s not the only reason you should feel good about me lol

Well, yeah, obviously you shot mafia, too!

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 10:22 pm JOHANN is obviously t OWN here.

NICE CATCH JOHANN

WHEEEEEEEEE

I need you to talk to me about Johann. I'm still really sus of them, but it would be cool if I can rule him out as being scum.

Cool.

So, I feel like moving Nanook and Funny (as well as Sloonei) up to my topmost tier after last night. I felt good about the interactions I had with them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:47 am What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.

I would NOT shoot G-Man or Funny.
I WOULD shoot Dragomir or Boo.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 am I actually think you might be

Do you think I've only been pushing town?

Nanook, do you actually think I'm scum?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:27 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:24 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:21 am sure what's up?

Why do you find me Sus? :P

your earlier d1 reads didn't feel genuine

What about my D2 reads and later D1 reads?

Nanook, are you intentionally slipping into your scum range right now just to spite me for suggesting that I can read you pretty well? How is that idea pro-town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:23 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:18 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:17 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:17 am I’m not shooting Johan on D2 of their first game here. Sorry

When are you going to shoot them?

Are you evaluating Johann right now?

Not really. F3.

Why is that a good plan?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:21 am sure what's up?

Why do you find me Sus? :P

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:19 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:59 am Don't everyone talk at once

gobble gobble gobble

Let's talk.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:17 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:17 am I’m not shooting Johan on D2 of their first game here. Sorry

When are you going to shoot them?

Are you evaluating Johann right now?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:17 am I’m not shooting Johan on D2 of their first game here. Sorry

When are you going to shoot them?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:16 am What makes you think I’m saying there’s a wolf between jack and boo? If I thought that I’d have a two person shot list lol

Because of their interactions D2 where they were arguing with each other and calling each other scum. I took a guess that you saw that as potentially a w/v interaction?

I'm kinda amused and annoyed that 90% of the game wants me dead. I feel like that alone should clear me, unless you guys are thinking I'm scum and I'm getting bussed?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:11 am Anyways, I took sloonei out cause I really hope/want them to be town, I'm trusting them on gman so that removes gman, and if last game is any judge wilgy will eventually make himself known (hopefully). So that leaves me with my pool of four--it would be a pool of three, but boo refusing to play the game is fairly tilting.

I would go for any of those three anyway. I would've been more curious why you excluded Johann and Dragomir. Then again, if you're going with the premise that there's probably a wolf between Jack and Boo, I guess that's not a bad route to go.

Boo, did you turn on me because I lowered you to null and raised Jack up to null with you? :P Also, did you think the argument that I originally made about Nutella (that you pushed alongside me), where I said that scum might not want the gun and might not want to be responsible for shooting town, was towny?

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:53 pm That's only seven people though. There are 11 of us still alive. Wilgy had a few posts but I don't get much of anything from them. Nothing from boo but a RIP post and some OT green. Jack had posts. I know he did. Jack can't help but post. They just lacked memorable flavor. We'll see the taste of all of you change when I read more tomorrow.

Two of those are in Nanook's shot pool, by the way. :P

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:55 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:39 pm Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama

You have an order of preference for these? mine would be Hyena > Jack > Mac > Boo.

Let's talk.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 11:15 pm gman is town

boo is town

mac is town

we trust dusks nanook read

johann is BALLS TO THE WALL town

idk what to think of sloonei or wilgy, for different reasons.

hyena sus, drago sus, jack is eh.

Just swap me and Johann around, and we'll be on the same page. :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 1:59 am Don't everyone talk at once

Don't shoot me. Thanks, bb.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:56 pm For what it's worth, I probably townread Sloonei more now for the same reason I'm townreading Nanook more after last night -- the curiosity they're showing about me right now feels like it stems from confusion about me rather than any sort of agenda.

I'd be okay with either moving them up to strong town reads or moving Mac down to my null pile. I think I'd also move Jack to the TOP of my null pile (or the bottom of my townleans), and move Boo down to null.

For what it's worth, I probably townread Sloonei more now for the same reason I'm townreading Nanook more after last night -- the curiosity they're showing about me right now feels like it stems from confusion about me rather than any sort of agenda.