The Syndicate

Okay, I think I'm feeling better now about a Jack shot tonight over a Boo shot.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 5:45 pmThree and a half (Gman/Hyena/Johann, FG as a half cause she remembered him late).

There were also three people that listed Jack as a first or second shot option (Boo, FG, Mac). Two apiece for Boo (Hyena, Jack) and FG (Drago, Jack).

So, if Jack is scum, both he and Drago both pushed for Funny to be shot but also didn't push for me to get shot. Jack being scum would also make Boo town in my head, which would mean that there's a good chance that everyone who picked Jack to be shot could be town.

I think it's starting to make sense in my head that Jack is scum, and not with Boo.
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Whenever Wilgy posts, I want to shoot myself for thinking he's scum.

Also, I don't think I want to consider Nanook as potentially scum anymore.

Regardless, I still think we need to kill Boo here today and see what he flips as.

Hmm...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:56 pm I want to shoot Nanook over Boo for exactly one reason. It's easier for me to see Nanook being a wolf without Boo than Boo being a wolf without Nanook.

I can see a world where Boo plays a poor game and Nanook's teammate is hidden. A lot of people have been loathe to shoot Nanook. For most, that's probably a townie reaction to not wanting to kill someone who shot a wolf. That's an easy place for a wolf to hide. So easy I can't rule out there not being a wolf hiding there.

I have a harder time seeing a game where Nanook does all the scummy things he did today as a townie. The idea of Boo being scum, playing this level of game and fooling a good player like Nanook seems pretty crazy.

Who could Nanook be with from your perspective if not with Boo?

And you know what? I think I'm going to put Wilgy back on the table for trying to open up the PoE and place me and Funny inside of it earlier, especially if Boo ends up flipping scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:51 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:46 pm With that said, Boo's absence is starting to make me think that he's getting set up to be bussed if he's scum.

FYI, Boo voted Nanook very early in the day without saying anything after Nanook said he wanted to shoot me.

He was dead wrong on Nutella and dead wrong on Mac and did exactly zero evaluation of his reads after Mac's townflip, immediately burrowing further into the idea that I should be shot for reads he can't explain.

lol, what?

I didn't even notice he placed a vote. That's basically the same thing Dragomir did D2. Why aren't we just killing him tonight?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:45 pm Hyena, there is no world where I'm scum or I get shot (unless a wolf gets the gun). Boo's scum reads on Nutella and Mac and their scumreads on Boo didn't make them scum. On the off chance Boo is town, it doesn't make me scum. It just means Boo played a really poor game.

I think Boo is just scum though?

With that said, Boo's absence is starting to make me think that he's getting set up to be bussed if he's scum.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:40 pm Cause if boo’s town then we lose when I get shot tomorrow.

So we shoot me today, jack tomorrow, and you can figure out who to shoot last at f3

If Boo is town, Jack gets shot tomorrow. I thought there was always one between them?

Sloonei said it too that there was always one between those two + Mac.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:40 pm Cause if boo’s town then we lose when I get shot tomorrow.

So we shoot me today, jack tomorrow, and you can figure out who to shoot last at f3

If Boo is town, Jack gets shot tomorrow. I thought there was always one between them?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:38 pm Why can't we just kill Boo? :<

Y'all didn't want to do it yesterday when I suggested it. I really wish you guys would consider doing it today.

Why can't we just kill Boo? :<

Duskfall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:39 pm @Duskfall
@Hyena

Who are you shooting if you get the gun and why?

If you’ve already said in the last page, welp, I’ll read that later.

Probably boo is who I want dead the most rn because everything he says feels like bs, literally can't believe a word coming out of him and it feels full of scum agenda, also kind of inconsistent how he's thinking about the game as a whole which makes it seem made up

I will be discussing it with other people at night though cause apparently night phase is open here and I assume I could shoot at the end

Boo might've had some say in Dusk getting poisoned because Dusk was wanting to shoot Boo first and foremost if he got the gun.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:55 am I think I was mostly poisoned for being consensus town

But I think towny people are like Nanook/funny/jack/g man/slonnei

If I had gun tonight id shoot boo or dragomir

People that I'm not sure on yet Mac, Id refer to Nanook and sloonei for this one but I agree with what they said. Nanook mentioned his demand of the gun then lack of responsibility for it. Sloonei mentioned something that I forget but I agreed with it it was good wtf was it again lol? Sloonei cover for me

Hyena is kinda bad but I think shoot later not yet

Johann was good early but faded away so needs re evaluating probably tomorrow but not a shot for today

Duskfall called me and Johann bad, but it looked like he had Boo as a stronger scumread (on the same level as Dragomir), too.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:50 am We’re just shooting me tonight, full stop. I’m not going to be the losing mis-kill, so the options are ONLY a) shoot me tonight and find a replacement for me in the towncore I laid out, or b) give me the gun and if I don’t shoot scum you can shoot me tomorrow and I’ll accept the loss.

There isn’t another option, cause I’ll tell you right now I’m not going to deal with this bullshit another game day, either resolve my slot now or lock me town. I don’t really give a fuck which at this point.

I don't understand this post? In my head, there's most likely one scum between Boo and Jack just based on their interactions. How are you going to be the mis-kill in LYLO?

This is why I've been trying to push for Boo to be the shot, because in my head, he's the one that's more likely to be scum than Jack. If Boo flips town, then I just go for Jack next?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:50 am We’re just shooting me tonight, full stop. I’m not going to be the losing mis-kill, so the options are ONLY a) shoot me tonight and find a replacement for me in the towncore I laid out, or b) give me the gun and if I don’t shoot scum you can shoot me tomorrow and I’ll accept the loss.

There isn’t another option, cause I’ll tell you right now I’m not going to deal with this bullshit another game day, either resolve my slot now or lock me town. I don’t really give a fuck which at this point.

I don't understand this post? In my head, there's most likely one scum between Boo and Jack just based on their interactions. How are you going to be the mis-kill in LYLO?

Okay, I'm going to bed now.

So, I remembered eliminating certain pairings that Jack could be in, but I couldn't remember which ones, outside of Boo --

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

So, if Jack is actually Wilgy's partner, would he push Jack but ALSO defend Johann here? Like, if his partner Jack flipped mafia, he'd WANT people to think Johann could be teamed with him. So, like, I'm pretty confident in saying that Jack and Wilgy are never w/w here.

I still stand by this read. Thus, in my mind --

Jack/Wilgy isn't a thing based on the above reasoning
Jack/Boo isn't a thing based on their arguments against each other since, like, D3?
Jack/Funny isn't a thing because that would require Funny to be mafia, which I don't believe is the case.
Jack/Johann isn't a thing because Johann is confirmed town by being poisoned.
Jack/Hyena isn't a thing because I'm town.
Jack/Nanook could be a thing, but they get found if we stick to the current plan.
The only other person (in the game) is G-Man, but G-Man's now trying to pair him with Nanook as the scum team.

Thus, I don't think I'd want to go after Jack today.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:17 pm Quotes galore that I want to point out when I’m not on my phone. I feel like James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause. Nanook and Jack seem to be arm-wrestling for control of the game today. Nanook was posting like someone who was sure he was going to get poisoned last night but showed no surprise at it not happening. Instead, he pivoted into a strong stance. Jack continues to flail about. It’s like the more he talks the harder it is to see clearly (or what I thought was clearly).

So, here is the state of things right now from my perspective. Both Nanook and Jack have town cleared me, Funny, and a couple others. On the other hand people in the town clear pile are suspecting Boo, Jack, and Nanook. I don't feel like Boo or Jack are arm-wrestling for control, because there's a chance one will get shot after the other for all we know. From my perspective, they are trying to push forward arguments why the other could be scum for the people in their town clears.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:17 pm Can anyone see Jack-Nanook teammate compatibility in any of this? That’s the tinfoiliest of tinfoil for two baddies to go this cutthroat and vocal, but it drowns out all discussion and wears everybody out. Is that happening here? It feels too organic to be fake to me. I still want to believe that common sense dictates it is pointless for Nanook to kill a teammate when he doesn’t have to. Someone said he did it recently. If that’s true, then I have to wonder if he’s ballsy enough to try the same play again so soon. I didn’t play whatever game that was, so I haven’t been burned by it personally to vacate him of that defense.

If Boo flips town, one of those two are gonna get shot next, so they can't really hide from people. I think it's more likely that only one of them is scum, if at all.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:17 pm Nanook and Jack both seem to have Boo in their shoot list. Johann has said today that both Nanook and Boo look like scum. If it weren’t for that, I might worry that Boo was being touted about as a red herring. That could still be the case in the tinfoiliest of tinfoil, but that means we’re being played hard and/or overlooking someone. I am guilty of mostly sheeping a civ read of Funnygurl based on the civ reads of others. With no playing experience with her, I have to trust your collective guts on her.

In Nanook's case, I feel like he was forced to include Boo in their shoot list after me and a bunch of other people kept yelling in the game that he should be in the PoE. So no, I don't hink Nanook and Jack fall under the same category as far as Boo goes.
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G-Man wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:17 pm I am too stubborn to abandon my town tead on Nanook just yet.

That's fine. Even if Boo flips scum, I wouldn't automatically assume Nanook was scum with them. I think the only thing I'd do if Boo flips scum is clear Jack completely.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:51 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 12:28 am I'm very much convinced that there isn't a world where you Johann and Mac are all t.

...like

so like how do you feel going into this phase

Terrified that we are wrong about either you or Hyena.

What's your PoE looking like if both me and Funny are in it?

Also, if we're sticking to giving the gun to Funny today, I would either Wilgy or myself to have the gun tomorrow.

Johann, I'll agree to shoot Nanook if you give me the gun, but if he flips town, I'm blaming you for it. :P

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 2:00 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 1:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:30 pm Nanook is scum cause he busses! But he’s also scum cause he’s hard defending his partner!

Make up your damn mind.


Also, like, cut the shit Mac with the “if Nanook is at LYLO auto-shoot him,” I’m very obviously not getting poisoned while people are pushing me

Convenient.

Why did you want to take Boo and Wilgy out of the POE at all?

To be fair, I kinda wanted to take out Wilgy, too, before EoD yesterday. I liked the vibe I got when he responded to some of my posts. I still want Boo dead, though, even more so after Mac flipped town. As I said previously, I only saw two worlds: 1. scum!Mac and scum!Jack, and 2. scum!Boo plus someone not in the PoE.

Like Nanook, right?

I think I'd shoot G-Man first before Nanook if Boo flips scum, actually.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:30 pm Nanook is scum cause he busses! But he’s also scum cause he’s hard defending his partner!

Make up your damn mind.


Also, like, cut the shit Mac with the “if Nanook is at LYLO auto-shoot him,” I’m very obviously not getting poisoned while people are pushing me

Convenient.

Why did you want to take Boo and Wilgy out of the POE at all?

To be fair, I kinda wanted to take out Wilgy, too, before EoD yesterday. I liked the vibe I got when he responded to some of my posts. I still want Boo dead, though, even more so after Mac flipped town. As I said previously, I only saw two worlds: 1. scum!Mac and scum!Jack, and 2. scum!Boo plus someone not in the PoE.

'Sup.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:59 pm it is true that i'm perfect, i won't argue their.

they're

Should Boo get shot first? If he flips mafia, is there a chance that Jack and Mac are both town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:36 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:05 pm

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:03 pm I'll rather say wilgy is townie and mafia going for him would ve too obvious

Okay, so if Wilgy is town, then I feel like the worlds are 1. exactly Jack and Mac, or 2. Boo + someone outside of Jack and Mac.

Jack and Mac is honestly one of the lowest IQ takes I've ever seen in a Mafia game. It's one of those low IQ takes that is so low IQ that it convinces the low IQ exponent that it makes them high IQ.

lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:34 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:00 pm also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves

I'm all about the flip flop life FG. Flip flop til ya don't stop I say.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:10 pm

Spoiler: show

boo wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 4:24 pm So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?

She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.

He eventually explains why he suspects nutella so firmly, but this doesn't really satisfy me. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe him, and I think I slapped a town read on him shortly after this post(?). My impression of this suspicion at the time was that boo was projecting a certain idea onto nutella, trying to make the piece fit into the hole. It didn't, but he was determined. I felt like there was sincerity in the effort.

So, this is the post and the reason why I both 1. townread him early, then 2. suspected him later on.

I made this entire argument by mself earlier that day. He -stole- it from me, and didn't even acknowledge or townread me for it. In fact, he later scumread me in spite of using my argument against Nutella.

Here are the posts where I made that same argument:

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 11:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pm I'm flattered

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine for now

Hey, wtf. I want to give YOU the gun. Are you afraid of getting the gun? Are you afraid of getting blood on your hands and looking scummy?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 10:39 am There's also the fact that Nutella didn't accept my vote on her? :P So yeah, she could be scum.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 5:38 pm I feel like Boo is expressing the same thing (the stuff about scum potentially being worried about getting the gun) I was trying to express earlier, except better.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:03 pm I'll rather say wilgy is townie and mafia going for him would ve too obvious

Okay, so if Wilgy is town, then I feel like the worlds are 1. exactly Jack and Mac, or 2. Boo + someone outside of Jack and Mac.

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 8:02 pm If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill

Nanook was scum in Corona Virus mafia and pushed against an inactive Poison-chan during D1. Granted, they turned out to be scum, too, lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:58 pm Well fuck all y'all who can't read me for shit hahahaha.

Out here got Boo dead in the water. Fucking gymnastics and shit God damn it boomhauer.

Long live the spiral!

Johann wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:55 pm For me it is between boo and dougall

I didnt like boo's conversation with me at all. I offered him a hand and just answer why dougall is scum to him without playing the victim. He failed that

Dougall on other hand. I just smell something weird there. I cant put my finger on it at all. But when i read his posts i def see some traces what i would do as scum.

I wont shoot anyone else between those two. I an well aware of the case against Jack but i wanna keep my decision small. Someone else can take Jack after this night.

Those are fine shots. As long as you don't shoot outside of those two and Jack, I'm cool with any shot you want to take. <3

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:53 pm Linki: still...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:50 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:45 pm I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

X plane

I liked his responses to me, especially his answer about the difference he saw in me between here and Corona Virus Mafia.

I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:57 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:06 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:33 pm FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

Correct.

Tell me why Jack isn't scum and is there currently any avenue to having him shot?

If Jack is scum, then Mac is most likely his partner since I already ruled out you and Boo being his partner.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:14 pmYou are playing more technical. Your net also felt smaller. I.e. your targetting and fishing feels more purposeful than in CVM.

I like this answer. o:

Hey, Mac --

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:31 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:31 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

With that said, how do they plan to get out of the PoE after Boo and Wilgy are gone? They are the only other two in the PoE right now.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

Okay, yeah, that's pretty much his ISO. He mentions Boo very rarely. There's no progression on how he reached Boo being in the PoE unless he's just going with the flow. I don't think Wilgy is with Mac.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:23 pm As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hmm... he didn't mention Boo here. I don't see how Boo ends up fourth in his shot list from what I've seen so far unless he's just going with the flow and pretending to agree with us that Boo should be in the PoE. He hasn't even given a read on Boo yet it looks like.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:46 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Second mention of Mac, this time agreeing with my Mac townread. In the previous post I quoted where Wilgy was asking about Mac's reads, it kinda felt like Wilgy was treating Mac as town, but I don't recall ever seeing an explicit townread or a reason why before that. I think that Wilgy could either be trying to pocket Mac, or maybe could be partners with him? I dunno.

-- which is weird, because initially in my mind, I thought that Wilgy and Mac were more likely to be v/w based on the dynamics between Jack and Boo. In the case where Jack and Boo are, in fact, v/v, then that might make Wilgy and Mac w/w? Assuming the rest of my towncore is correct? I dunno how I feel about this yet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:46 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Second mention of Mac, this time agreeing with my Mac townread. In the previous post I quoted where Wilgy was asking about Mac's reads, it kinda felt like Wilgy was treating Mac as town, but I don't recall ever seeing an explicit townread or a reason why before that. I think that Wilgy could either be trying to pocket Mac, or maybe could be partners with him? I dunno.