The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:32 am i overall did have fun. congrats to the wolf team on a great win

our village was so close! we’ll get em next time. i’d be happy to village with any of you again

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:27 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:23 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:22 am I mean uh

The hammers were largely town driven, with the exception of Alison where most people (myself included!) hadn't read the rules closely enough, it's town's fault for hammering when they maybe shouldn't have. There's no mandatory use of hammer /shrug

i think thats unfair to the town players who didnt participate or condone the majs though

especially the ones who literally werent there to even be able to voice disagreement (amy mainly)

Eh, I mean...if you know maj is a thing, you've gotta play around it or accept the consequences imo. We've played light games with hammer in the past and town's used it fine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:22 am I mean uh

The hammers were largely town driven, with the exception of Alison where most people (myself included!) hadn't read the rules closely enough, it's town's fault for hammering when they maybe shouldn't have. There's no mandatory use of hammer /shrug

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:20 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:18 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:17 am maj being enabled was a really really dumb decision though

people signing light games should not expect that the phases would ever be sped up for any reason

I think we all agreed on this already.

yeah. we had it enabled on a previous light game with no problems, but here town decided that utilizing the mechanic as much as possible was a great idea. That option should not have been granted to them, it's against the spirit of what is ostensibly the format.

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:06 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:56 pm this setup in general was not a good "postcap light" setup


i mean i still dont think its a good setup in general but ESPECIALLY in postcap light


which im more and more questioning the concept of in general

60 wallposts is not light

60 iaafr posts is light

in my defense i frankly wasnt sure how else i could townclear myself

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:00 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:57 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:56 pm FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

are you referring to the proto hammer or?

lacking context for this comment

The day vig buss...I thought that was a brilliant play and was disappointed that it was forced.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:56 pm FWIW I really think that was the play there even if it hadn't been forced

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:50 pm Tutu peeled me and got my godfather result kek

I blocked you and that’s why Amy failed


I was serious that every JK I’ve ever played with worked that way AFAIK

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:49 pm Jean-Jacques Rousseau - TOWN:

A citizen of Geneva
Political Philosophy

You are the town tiebreaker. If there is a tied vote count at the end of the day, you will be responsible for choosing the victim of the guillotine that day.

Decisions, decisions: You may note that right now the rules say that “ties in day polls will be decided randomly”. You can change the text to whatever you wish (that fulfills the purpose of answering the question how are ties decided), but if you choose to do so you may not mention any part of your own role and you may never claim to be able to break ties. You will be given a suitable fake claim should you choose this option. Finally, if you do so, your entire role card will be revealed upon your death.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:48 am maybe the sole purpose of amys role was to misclear nanook

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:50 am rabbit what the flying fuck are you doing

i understand you can't answer this question but jesus christ dude

19/30

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:31 pm Gg guys and gals

The day vig could only be used on mafia kek

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:08 pm

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hey guys, please keep this in mind and keep personal attacks to a minimum. Tensions can run high, but please remain civil in the thread. I'm sure Epi would love to hear from you if you have complaints, or you can direct them directly at me.

also rabbit you're at 61 posts
linki now you're at like 65

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:58 pm this isn't town iaafr lmaoooooo it just isn't

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:27 pm

Spoiler: show

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:24 am Mmm. OK. Here's what I'm marinating. Remember that world I called too easy where MR/rabbit/tutuu were the wolves? I'm back there.

Some level 1 KZA wagon stuff: of living players, Nanook myself nutella LC and Hally were all on KZA. tutuu and iaafr were on Hally (well, iaafr joke selfvoted when it didn't matter, but he made a move towards Hally at a time when it definitely did). If KZA wasn't bussed, that just solves the game right there.

But OK, that's too level one on its own. Let's backburner that and continue.

Every player alive wanted bob dead after D1. Every player alive wanted Radishes dead after D1. No cred should be given for simply wolfreading these people.

Thing is, Hally was burying MR since even before the botched Nanook interaction. And the botched Nanook interaction was REALLY bad. So I think Radishes was a wolf, and I don't think Hally bussed him.

So you're the last 2 wolves on N1. KZA just got dunked. MR is consensus. Bob is consensus. You need to go deep. What do you do in that situation?

If you're not consensus town, you kill the people who are, so that you can take control of the threadstate. If you ARE consensus town, you start killing the PoE to maintain plausible deniability.

Now, obviously it's hard to call the N1 kill target if you assume Radishes was a wolf, because Hally claimed a redirect. But here's the thing: LC lost a vest, yeah? And he's 80% action immune. I somewhat think it's unlikely that the redirect would succeed and then the kill would ALSO succeed, yeah? Unless I'm misinterpreting the minutiae of LC's role.

So what if the wolves tried to kill LC anyways?

Think about it: it fits the pattern of their later kills. Tim wasn't consensus but had a decent PR; Colin wasn't consensus but had a decent PR; WWH was about as nonconsensus as a greenpeek could feasibly be. LC was a mid tier and had previously softed his role in ways that could be interpreted as an obvious, and potentially good, PR. The pattern is there.

The question then becomes "who would try to kill Long Con?" Hally and nutella were somewhat PoE-ish, and would probably shoot at the top tier villagers, who at the time were... tutuu and iaafr. Actually they'd probably both be aiming at iaafr in the level 1 world - he hadn't launched into the mechanical tinfoil on their slots yet, but he was certainly not strongly townreading either of them, and makes a lot of sense as an N1 kill from a team with those players on it.

tutuu and iaafr, on the other hand, both would have a vested interest in not thinning out the top of people's townlists. They would need cover. They would shoot LC.

Phase 2 was always going to be bussing bob. I think any wolfteam would want bob to die before Radishes, and I think faking a redpeek was always part of the plan. I doubt they anticipated the MR kill OR the bob dayvig, which probably accelerated the timetable to uncomfortable degrees.

Hally will ask "why fake a redcheck to bus?" The answer is twofold: it gives you mad cred if no other cop claims, and it massacres discussion for the day. If you're going to bus, you might as well do it in a way that gives town basically nothing to work with. This is part of why Nanook is never a tinfoil until f3; that shot is stupidly protown and is literally only useful if he's a lone wolf trying to survive to endgame - and he's never w/w with MR, so he's never a lone wolf, so he's just town.

But anyways. If they're wolves, rabbit and tutuu acquired cred through a D2 powerbus, have killed mid-tier townies to lend feasibility their own survival, and are generally trying very very hard to get myself or Hally dunked. rabbit's wanted me dead from the word go; his tunnel's been occasionally justified by my lack of effort, but I think I've espoused some legitimately townie viewpoints to the degree that if he's legitimately a villager and hasn't found me yet, he has some ridiculous preconceived notions on how hard I'm able to project town as a villager. tutuu's posting... hasn't been wolfy, really. She's erratic in a way that's probably NAI for her given her general personality, but there's definitely some depth of thought. I'm just... not sure it's not fakeable, and I think she fits too well as a wolf in the gamestate. I think claiming a failed check on Hally was largely an attempt to bury me or them somehow, and I think the fact that they're still alive and none of their checks died until last night is the single biggest indictment of them.

There's a chance that I'm wrong, in which case it's like. Idk always nutella probably? nutella/hally would probably have to be it but. I honestly don't think it's nutella/Hally at this point, I think they're playing like villagers who have found each other. I don't like nutella's play that much in a vacuum but I'm really coming around on Hally here.

And I kinda wanna kill LC anyways. I'm willing to bank the game on there not being 3 wolves left and we can all loltsp in postgame if there are. I think another night of mechanics is good, and I think the opportunity for me to bounce off people in real time is VERY good.

Thinking further, I think the thing that confuses me the most is tutuu's insistence that Hally would be trying to bury me if they were a v, and vice-versa. Like... we know that LC's claimed 3p. v!Hally knows a failed redirect isn't w/w indicative, and I know that it isn't w!Hally trying to manufacture a redcheck because their reaction to LC's claim made it really fucking obvious that they actually expected their redirect to succeed. Neither of us has any reason to bury the other. The perspective that we should be? Is super off. Unless I'm bad and missing something. But I don't think I am.

I'm not voting until EOD probably. I want to discuss this in real-time and everyone except the 3p is out of posts, I think. Sorry for the monologue. I kinda think LC's the best bet for safety reasons ATM? But I think iaafr/tutuu's the most likely team. MR wolf makes nutella lock v and it makes Hally v make too much sense. You're sold on Hally being a wolf? Explain how they're w/w with MR, or explain why MR is v, and either way find a partner for them that isn't me, because I continue to know my own alignment and it continues to be town.

37/60

this makes.......so much sense

lol im sold on iaafr tutuu gj

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:43 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:28 amare you asking me to not give you the respect that you couldve come up with and roleplayed a town->3p role after seeing a scum role + the rules? are you saying youd never actually come up with that as a fakeclaim as scum, in a game where scum pretty much need to come up with ostensibly nonscum versions of their roles?

I think a planned roleplay would have played out much more smoothly, and the way things did play out objectively point to it being real, and not contrived.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 pm Doesn't change the fact that yeeting me in order to get more info that is, in part, coming to you from scum AND YOU KNOW THIS.