The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:41 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:38 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 am whats reason for your unaligned read on pawn/radishes

i know mine and idk whether to trust it
Jackofhearts2005

this question was for you

you mentioned you think pawn tmi'd radishes town?

where?
He’s basically copy pasted all his reads from you and Radish.

I may not be about to back this up without going back to D2 but I’m not seeing independent thought from Pawn.

do you remember which reads specifically he got from radishes?

btw i think lld was town and i recall pawn keeping lld in his sus list when i sussed her for pushing epignosis

that mightve just been a tilted civvie on civvie push and pawn also looks like the scum who was trying to capitalize there

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 am whats reason for your unaligned read on pawn/radishes

i know mine and idk whether to trust it

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

this question was for you

you mentioned you think pawn tmi'd radishes town?

where?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:28 am i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

epignosis is like the rational voice the scum mostly townread until pawn was forced to flip on epig a bit...?
i don't know what this means.

i think if you are scum you have treated epignosis in a way that makes him very likely town

i also believe this is true of master radishes and pawn lelouch

i think the way their reads developed on epignosis all seem indicative that they know epignosis is town if they are scum

whats reason for your unaligned read on pawn/radishes

i know mine and idk whether to trust it

jack can we agree on pawn/radishes/dom and call it a day

i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

epignosis is like the rational voice the scum mostly townread until pawn was forced to flip on epig a bit...?

i feel like if im looking at a pawn/radishes scumworld then they tmi'd epignosis town

so pawn/radishes/dom still makes sense to me

they all kind of pushed each other a bit but i could see it still being partnery

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:22 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:21 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:16 am i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know
So like a OMGUS?
no that would involve me saying something about your scumread of me, which wasn't part of my logic in the post you just quoted

it is more about what you chose to focus on during your first catchup
I assume you’re referring to my dismissal of your theory then?

no the other stuff that wasnt me i didnt really like the focus

its not a strong case lets forget about it

whats your current read on pawn and why

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:16 am i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know
So like a OMGUS?

no that would involve me saying something about your scumread of me, which wasn't part of my logic in the post you just quoted

it is more about what you chose to focus on during your first catchup

conversely if im wrong on this whole flip on pawn then dom/epignosis/sprit/radishes still sounds plausible to me and thats where ive been the whole day

but i guess my new update is regardless of whether he's right or wrong, jack feels like nonconsensus town who actually believes what hes saying...?

which is actually pawns read on jack which should give jack pause on pawn imo but im really undecided if i should actually flip on pawn

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 am I don’t know how to make a 3 person dartboard. It’s 2 people or 5 people.

5 people is legal

i just found how you acted towards me and your first catchup this day a bit scummy

i think i mentioned that i didnt like that the only thing you quoted of epis was something that was unrelated to the giant thing between me and epi, which i think you shouldve commented at least something on, but idk

but im considering that you might be town now that im playing around with pawn scum worlds i dont know

the nature of epignosis's questioning of me and push on me rings more fake than jack's, now that ive just read them in short succession

and like

i see no reason why epi and pawn couldnt be hard "bussing" each other at this point if they're both scum

im going to assume youre asking about the second part

since votes arent public, scum have no reason to be honest with where theyre voting. they can distort traditional associations more by lying about where they intend to vote more.

idk if the scum in this game actually thought of that though. maybe whoops for bringing it up but whatever

maybe doms the pawn partner with his awkward reaction to flipping on pawn?

i just realized that the scum in these layers can scumread partners without having to back up their scumreads with a vote so maybe theres more distancing than usual

but the way radishes and epignosis both push pawn gives me pause and im not quite sure how to make it work in a 3 scum world but again i dont even know if its a 3 scum layer

evenstar iaafr jack
colin sprityo dom
radishes pawn epignosis

maybe this feels better after all

i like jack's read on me he can be town tier for today actually

evenstar iaafr jack
dom colin epignosis
sprityo radishes pawn

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:55 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:42 pm Generally anyone who was like “I strongly suspect Dom and Colin/Rej” sets off warning bells because those players barely said anything.

I asked for reasons for those suspicions and got one semi satisfactory answer from one out of the six or so players at the time who had those reads.

Several players going from “I suspect Nova/Colin/Dom for undisclosed or tinfoily reasons” to “I suspect Colin/Dom/Jack for undisclosed or tinfoily reasons” doesn’t make me want to flip my reads. Neither does a few “I guess Jack can be town for undisclosed reasons. Now I suspect yet another quiet Syndicate player in Sprityo.”
I 100% agree with you. I don't like that we're consolidating around the quieter players. (Before you go claiming I've done that too, I gave my reason for suspecting Nova based on his D1 vote, and I disagreed with Colin and Dom as options yesterday and early today; at the moment they're in my PoE but I'm not scumreading them per se. The only one I found scummy in his own right was Sprityo.)

So let's change that then, Jack. I've already stated my belief that Pawn could be a deepwolf. I have nothing on him, but if you want to interrogate him I'll back you. Let's shake things up if you don't like how it is going.

hm radishes and pawn maybe less likely together for this

i also read jacks iso just now and i didnt hate it

ill read more isos tomorrow probably

ok so jack has pawn radishes and me

i got pawn radishes jack

lets compromise with pawn radishes sprityo?

dont even know if there are 2 or 3 scum on this layer

it might from a scum perspective, which you should consider in general

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:37 am man whys it take a hell of a spoonfeeding to get people to consider that pawn, the guy confidently townreading me and agreeing with me on pretty much everything when all of you arent, might be scum here

is that realistic or fake i cant even tell

i continue to write posts ungrammatically

man whys it take a hell of a spoonfeeding to get people to consider that pawn, the guy confidently townreading me and agreeing with me on pretty much everything when all of you arent

is that realistic or fake i cant even tell

to life

than this

fuck ok bye

why do you guys spend so many posts catching people on minor technicalities man theres gotta be more than life to this

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 am Why radishes for you?

He left my bottom

thats my list if my heuristic is the friendliest and most agreeable people lol

pawn jack master radishes

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:17 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:16 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:14 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:12 am like i said earlier you should be concerned you're in his bottom 3
Why?
I don't give two shits.
because from my and eva's perspectives, locktown from my perspective, he is currently towncore and we all suspect you and he could be scum facilitating a mislynch of you

Sooner or later, you're gonna have to realize that you and eva are not the center of the universe in this game and not everybody spends all their time trying to play the game according to your standards.

If people want to lynch me, they can.

okay but im playing to win and if im playing to win im concerned about mislynches

and when i should say you should be concerned about that angle im not saying to just be concerned you might get mislynched

from my perspective if you are town it should make pawn look like the scum who is riding incorrect town sentiment on you to mislynch you

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:14 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:12 am like i said earlier you should be concerned you're in his bottom 3
Why?
I don't give two shits.

because from my and eva's perspectives, locktown from my perspective, he is currently towncore and we all suspect you and he could be scum facilitating a mislynch of you

i mean she went back to townreading him and i talked her down on pawn and up on you instead but if im wrong on you then maybe yeah it's him

evenstars similarly torn on him

he's like our stability in this gamestate

thats very likely a scum trying to pocket us both

its hard to tell from my perspective if his townread of me is warranted and natural because i know him well and i think hed get me right either way and i dont know how none of the syndicate players getting me right by now makes sense

i feel like ive spent posts bringing up clearing things like my process on spiny creature and on dragomir and on 112 but other posts of mine get focused on for reasons that i dont think tend to catch scum

like i said earlier you should be concerned you're in his bottom 3

he seems more rational to me than everybody else and his reads keep mirroring mine more than anybody else

as i said, he fits the profile of a town who could be pocketing me (and evenstar)

nothing he says ever irks me he is entirely uncontroversial and he's bottom 3ing you, dom, and sprityo?

i mean in my book bland is scummy but alright

then think more about him

reread his iso

do i need to tell you this is what i would want you to do when you hardly have any thoughts?

do you not get thoughts from isos?

and you guys refused to give me reads deeper than what you thought on them n1 / "yeah he's fine i dont see any reasons for a read either way"

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:13 pm im very torn on pawn because he fits the profile of the slot that could be pocketing me and i wanna see what you guys think

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:21 am i find it highly suspicious that sprityo was willing to talk to pawn and jack but when i ask him an easy question he's suddenly afk for 16(!!) minutes

and i find it highly suspicious that he pretty much ignores my existence in his catchup and asks epi about something that isnt epi's main push on me

if dom and epignosis are town then

sprityo jack pawn

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:58 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:58 pm Epi, my bottom three are:

iaafr
sprit
Jack?

I think the problem is that I'm liking too many people this round.
Also just with who is in our group. I'd love to engage with Mac and Hyena more and I'd love to know where nutella is at given I was really civ reading her.

can you remind the thread what you got out of engaging with mac and hyena when you did?

i missed those interactions

if you guys are town you really should be looking at the consensus townreads that arent me yea and i asked you to do that and you both said "pawns fine"

so thats where the gamestate is

i still believe eva is clear from spinys flip

and you critique my avg content/post ratio by taking a jab at it compared to one copypasted epi post that he wrote n1 when im clearly just trying to make the thread fun and enjoyable with fluff while holding a consistent worldview that i dont want to discuss that much for reasons that should be clear if you've read my posts

idk man

if you dont like my jokes fine but avg content volume is such a lame push to make man and it sucks that im in a d3 that this type of thing is happening

man.

yea i mean im stepping out of the game for now

if you had written anything resembling a meaningful critique of my posts we wouldnt be in this situation

alright so now i have to take that as spewing that slot town

which is good because i just removed him and put jack back down

so its {jack epignosis sprityo}

lookin good here

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:17 pm So.
Sprit keeps emphasizing how much I'm not participating.

I have more posts than he this day period.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:29 pm What's the best is that Epi's post contains way more content than any single rabbit post.

- Mafia Critic, Dom

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