The Syndicate

the level of my neuroticism regarding the conversations I anticipate in this phase is way too high but it is what it is

I currently suspect epignosis most but all the reasons are heuristic "I think scum do this more than town" reasons idiosyncratic to me that I hardly even want to bring up because the ensuing conversations will most likely be "well I don't agree" "I don't care that you don't agree" etc

i guess this is the ideal moment to reveal that I lied in phase 1

large posteriors do not actually excite me that much

also I am capable of deceit

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:06 pm if everybodu suspects me I will refuse to defend myself because I still am frustrated that I cannot defend myself based on interactions with flips etc

if we lose because of this so be it

it's not like I don't want to per se

it's that I suspect I'll be suspected in ways that I won't believe I can meaningfully defend against and just coming up with questions to me doesn't equate coming up with questions that I believe I can answer in a way that reduces suspicion on me so the entire dynamic is irritating

if everybodu suspects me I will refuse to defend myself because I still am frustrated that I cannot defend myself based on interactions with flips etc

if we lose because of this so be it

I spent the last 24 hours meditating so that you cannot get dickbutt into my mind.

I actually could see any of the 3 here as scum.

i cant tell if Dom and epi constantly antagonizing (Dom somewhat inadvertently until we started disliking each other) me is actually Towny.

Dom and epi also seem to have confidently read each other town most of the time? could those reasons be articulated?

lol this pool

BWOOOONG

well

look forward to seeing what happens next

hoping for the best but expecting the worst, as they say

not sure what i think.

hey epi

is any of that work stuff you couldnt replicate as scum?

should i consider the fact that you did all that work and it sounds good AI?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:55 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:31 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:00 am can you quote the strongest bits of insight from epi
@Master Radishes

would like to wake up to a mention with this, please and thank you

gn
I've seen it and will do it in x hours. Not doing it on phone, so I'll wait till I get home tonight.

i dont see that radishes ever got around to this but ill take his recent waffling on epi as an acceptable substitute

oh right that was it

I'm too unpleasant to be scum

I'll take that read tbh it's valid.

not to mention one of the first things that happened d2 was Mac questioning me on the no lynch and me answering the exact same way

which epi presumably read

he ultimately got to townreading me on some other logic having to do with my direction today but i don't remember exactly what

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:30 pm look if people are gonna keep pushing me on stuff I could defend myself against with quotes from d1 d2 I'm gonna keep acting annoying because I'm annoyed I cant

and like

I don't even agree with the whole protocol of accusing somebody directly to their face and asking them to defend themselves
I don't think you need to be defending yourself at this juncture.

I'm not saying I am I'm just reiterating why I felt the way at did at the earlier juncture where you pretty much demanded I defend myself in ways that I didn't even consider meritorious things to investigate

I still believe it's silly to think the best way of reading me was to question me on the reason for the no Lynch, which is evidenced by the fact that me telling the truth in response didn't help you trust me

my kryptonite is players who attack players based on what I consider misreadings

whenever I incorrectly tunnel town it is often for that reason

so yea that gives me pause on dom

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:19 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm your point 3 is misreading his point

he says frustration isn't ai in a vacuum but the context makes it towny
I don't find that true.

that's fine but you're wrong to treat it as an obvious self contradiction when it's clearly not

guess it seems kinda notable that epignosis and Dom both spend their posts closest to eod attacking pawns posts

if I'm in tunnel logic and I'm in accordingtoplan mode

this is what I would've expected out of them as scum after giving them an opening to attack pawn

your point 3 is misreading his point

he says frustration isn't ai in a vacuum but the context makes it towny

I've been settling on epignosis Jack sprityo tbh

yea it feels a bit played up perhaps

pocketing means trying to keep a townread by constantly townreading somebody and/or expressing sympathy and similar viewpoints

so yeah it's very similar to buddying if not identical

gn radishes

I appreciate your effort sprityo

and yes obviously I'm the most biased in that situation but idk man

I often see situations where a scum pushes a town, it gets into an overblown extended thing, and people just instinctually town/town it when its wrong

i mean

if you read epis entry on me d1

it looked like... town moments but with strong pause

I don't think he treated me like that sod

I think he was acting like my nolynch vote was some kind of smoking gun people should even consider policy lynching me for

I still hated the push to the point where if he's town I'm considering killing him for taking such a bad direction to start d3

1. something's got to give
2. something's got to give
3. something's got to give

RÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

and yes I know you're just making a joke quip but I'm still a bit sore here and I'm not above using my own soreness to towntell except apparently nobody can read these sorts of towntells

ok exiting rant mode again

look if people are gonna keep pushing me on stuff I could defend myself against with quotes from d1 d2 I'm gonna keep acting annoying because I'm annoyed I cant

and like

I don't even agree with the whole protocol of accusing somebody directly to their face and asking them to defend themselves

I can confirm jack misspelled my name that exact way in his d2 readslist I remember this

alright mystery solved you both had reads

1. nothing wrong with me
2. nothing wrong with me
3. nothing wrong with me
4. nothing wrong with me

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:18 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:39 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm And I've now read your updated Rabbit case and that looks good too. Scales are definitely tipping towards Epi being the scum in your pair. I don't like that because it means Dom's probably town, but I can deal.
@Evenstar why do you have epi/Dom not w/w
I don't feel like any sane scumteam just completely commits to trying to body you through the floor today.

Dom and Epi have both been extremely agressive towards you, and I just don't buy that a pair of wolves would be that brazen.

I could be wrong and Dom could just have piled onto his scumleader's case without really thinking about it, but... Frankly, I think Dom actually does think through his actions better than that. Plus, he's been acting weirdly buddyish at Epi, which is additional evidence they're not w/w.

the very last part I had in mind already, and yea it'd be a bit weird because hed be trying to consciously spew his own partner town

but maybe Dom's just one of those powerwolves with a treat partners as obvious town and only shade town kind of philosophy

can't totally rule it out

noted though, thanks

alright well thanks for getting let the bodies hit the floor stuck in my head

will say that one of my strongest points in radishes favor is how strongly he actually seems to believe his own reads

I remember in d2 he reacted to my bottom tier immediately by telling me he had four town in there

and the lingering suspicion of Eva and wanting to do due diligence there is incredibly Towny to me

reads off reads off

post the reads you had d1 and d2, both of you

if it's pawn eva and I'm hard scumsiding this game

can't pretend I'd really regret it, all things considered

let's just say even if that hardclear is removed I have Eva easily in my top tier above everyone else

but ya y'all can start sussing her again I'm sure thatll help the gamestate XDXD

this is hilarious so I regret nothing

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:04 pm Jfc I just finally closed the Word doc I had all my scum!Eva notes typed up in.

wait what

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:03 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:11 pm I mean, ngl, I can't even be confident that the spiny flip that Eva posted was accurate, she could've forged it
Wait what

I can't even remember if I remember the actual flip

true story

overreliance on logical consistency and words rationally holding up lead to losses to articulate scum players

so I try to avoid using those types of things

when scum than when town*

people don't lose their faculties of logic when they roll scum, if anything, the avg player relies more on those things when scum as town

the type of depth of thought it takes to townclear somebody usually involves some level of sophistication or depth in the premises and perspective; the application of logic and reasoning itself is usually more a player thing than an alignment indicative thing

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:55 pm Okay, I've gone through your responses and I'm largely satisfied, so long as you actually return with that Epignosis case.

I have one additional follow-up before I get out of your hair: why are you placing Colin above Sprityo? I get that Colin got forced out of the bottom by Epi falling, and I also get that you don't feel that Sprityo's outburst last EOD is worth much, but my feel of the two of them is that Sprityo has done significantly more to help solve than Colin, especially today - note him pointing out the "but how would they know he was the doublevoter" flaw in my reasoning. That kind of catch takes real thought and analysis: I've seen little of similar depth from Colin. Sort by post count today also backs up my impression. Are you sure you've really thought your current PoE through?

does it really take that much though

that's easily in the realm of stuff any scum player could think about

things that only take essentially pure logic and reasoning are always things I can't give cred for

but yea I need pawn in this game to stay sane and if I voted pawn and it turns out he's town that'd be my unequivocal greatest regret of the game so gratz on the pocket hope you're town

current paranoid thought is that pawn created a bad push on his partner epi on purpose to reduce the chances epi gets voted off today

still also don't know if I can trust that pawn wouldn't be bussy in this situation when the mech seems to punish bussing less on multiple levels (no flip, no vote record)

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