The Syndicate

My only incorrect TR was Epi, who I said I wouldn’t lock in until d2 or D3

So I feel reasonably good about this game

True!

Lmao

Shot for TRing the vig smh

Boooooooooo

That’s pretty disappointing, reading scum chat after a game is interesting

Seems rude after I was unjustly shot for few good reasons

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:43 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:40 pm Did we win
Nope

True biking can suck it

Also is there a scum chat link

Did we win

I mean it would be cool if I was but

There’s like one person that might NK me and even they wouldn’t lolol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:39 pm Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

(I started writing this some hours ago. Hope it’s not outdated.)

Dude

It isn’t that hard to grasp, Hally got it almost right away for example, and I’ve explained it several times in several ways.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
Spoiler: show
In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.
I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.
No. Read it in the voice of HIM.
Who is he?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol
Why not?

Why would I ever be the N1 NK in this game lol

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:05 am radishes is probably just town here

Welcome to the club

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:16 am This stopped being funny a while ago.
This is fair. Sorry. Normally I give up the trolling after D1, but haven't really had the time since the flip to do anything else yet.

I'll shut up now unless I'm playing the game.

I support it ftr

I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol

Maybe seanzie idk

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:41 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:41 am I’d vote for a couple people over Tony probably
remind me who again?

Guillo and maybe LC

At least two

I’d vote for a couple people over Tony probably

He could not post again except to call votes between now and f3 and I don’t think I’d kill him

So I’m just keeping radishes clear for today, I’ll reassess after a guillo flip if necessary but I honestly just think he’s town regardless at this point

Regardless if made and radishes are partners that last minute push towards radishes makes ZERO sense to me

Mayyyyybe if guillo is the third scum but like

Even then they had to have a better option I think

It’s also easier to phone post on mu than here tbh, tho I’m not sure how much if at all that effects radish

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:57 am I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh
why not?

Much different environments and expectations ime

I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh

Radishes is pretty busy irl I don’t think his active participation level is particularly AI

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:32 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:25 am Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.
I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?
depends on if both are goons or guillo is a wolf pr

I don’t think it depends on that at all lol

In a world they’re both scum, made didn’t switch to make sure he died, he switched to make sure guillo didn’t die

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:20 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:32 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:25 am Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.
I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?
Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?
I think guillo would be a lot preferable to made in most teams, if one of them has to die guillo probably has a better chance of being in it for the long haul

How is this not a relevant question when we’re considering why made would switch to radishes
Are you suggesting Made switched to make themselves get yeeted over Guillo? If so, I’m not buying it at all. Madectried to survive by accounts of their last ditch effort.

Also, Made and Guillo haven’t played with each other. I don’t see why they would have a preference of one over the other at all. It just makes more sense that if it’s Made/Guillo with Radish as town, then it would be much more likely that Made would just keep their vote on Guillo to set up his team for success than do a switch to Radish.

I stand by my analysis that if Guillo is scum, it’s with exactly Radish. Radish could be scum without Guillo.

But I take it you disagree? Though I’m not clear on how your analysis go.

I mean, just look at the thread state and tell me scumMade had a better chance to go deep than scumGuillo. I think it was probably fairly clear that made was not going to make it to endgame in a way that can’t be said about guillo.

So yeah, if made and guillo are both mafia and are the two leading wagons (they were at 6-5 pretty late in the day I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), I think it makes perfect sense they’d try to push off of guillo. What’s the downside, assuming radish is town? Either made dies and guillo survives, an outcome I think is objectively better for most scum teams, or radishes dies and they tie up another day.

I don’t think there are many worlds where scumGuillo and scumMade are both up and push onto scumRadishes, fwiw.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:32 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:25 am Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.
I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?
Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?

I think guillo would be a lot preferable to made in most teams, if one of them has to die guillo probably has a better chance of being in it for the long haul

How is this not a relevant question when we’re considering why made would switch to radishes

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:25 am Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:32 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:18 pm There’s probably a difference check between guillo and radishes and radishes is probably the town
difference check how? also why do you think radishy is the town over guillo?
Don’t think there’s more than one busser

Assuming made wagon is at least five town, wagons being 6/4/3 is weird

If they’re both town it’s much more likely mafia coalesce around one, if guillo is town he makes more sense imo due to the parked vote(s) on him

And radishes doesn’t super make sense as partners with made given votes, unless mafia just decided to bus bus bus

So I think good odds that guillo/radishes are not both town and that radishes is the town
Continuing this.

I don’t have an overview of how close the wagons were as I wasn’t present. If anyone can be bothered to make one, that would be super cool.

There are some relevant questions:
Why try to make Radish the yeet over Guillo? Was it more likely at the time that Radish’s would go through?

I understand the notion of the “difference check”, though I’m not sure it has to be true.

Of course it doesn’t HAVE to be true, but I think there’s a good chance it is. Like 80ish %

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:11 am
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:02 am tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?
nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

It unironically is

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:03 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:02 am I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard
i don’t really think he was going full throttle D1

A lot closer to full throttle than recent games, if you feel like splitting hairs

I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:36 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:25 pm Epi hard for me

Nanook, we've been over this. I'm not attracted to you.

That’s only cause you haven’t played video mafia with me yet

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:25 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:25 pm Epi Jules Hally tutu hard town for me

Everyone else I’ll rethink
Dizzy also hard town

And marmot

Maybe this game is still easy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:25 pm Epi Jules Hally tutu hard town for me

Everyone else I’ll rethink

Dizzy also hard town

Epi Jules Hally tutu hard town for me

Everyone else I’ll rethink

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:18 pm There’s probably a difference check between guillo and radishes and radishes is probably the town
difference check how? also why do you think radishy is the town over guillo?

Don’t think there’s more than one busser

Assuming made wagon is at least five town, wagons being 6/4/3 is weird

If they’re both town it’s much more likely mafia coalesce around one, if guillo is town he makes more sense imo due to the parked vote(s) on him

And radishes doesn’t super make sense as partners with made given votes, unless mafia just decided to bus bus bus

So I think good odds that guillo/radishes are not both town and that radishes is the town

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:16 pm Oh grogu duh
No, the other one.

I thought Jules replaced snow?

Doesn’t matter they’re both town

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:18 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:11 pm
Not much of a bus then is it
More things happened in the day except for the final vote count.
Really? I never would’ve known
You're kinda oversimplifying things to justify putting me into your poe.

Some times things are simple

Also you’re not in my poe

There’s probably a difference check between guillo and radishes and radishes is probably the town

Oh grogu duh

Who did Hally replace again?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:11 pm
Not much of a bus then is it
More things happened in the day except for the final vote count.

Really? I never would’ve known

I’m not sure why I’m arguing marmot is probably town off that

I’m probably just stubborn and don’t want to reassess

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:10 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:08 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am
Made wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat
Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?
I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Made said this today. Made has used this phrase exactly one other time on this forum.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm
Hekkatown
Why?
I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

That was in Christmastime Mafia. Made was mafia in that game.
nook, do you think this is a bus?
Where’d his vote end up
radishy

Not much of a bus then is it

K

Why is MR the counterwagon to Made over guillotine

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