The Syndicate

A) shoulda listened to me

B) my reads were amazing except for the ones messed up by lol multiball, which is obviously not my fault

C) now that this is over you should come play this: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 264&t=1857

Yesterday wasn't a waste of time, per se, BUT it was bad. The kill was obvious, entertaining anything else just gives scum info they don't deserve.

I say we return to jay tbh

*elipses

The elipsis consented

Wow sloonei took the exact exchange that is making me TR chuck and gave it a meh, might be partners

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:27 pm Nanook and Michelle defending Jay here is I-N-T-E-R-E-S-T-I-N-G.

I’ve been calling jay scum since D2, it’s just fucking stupid not to kill outed mafia

That’s another good point, killing sig means we have zero chance of killing a town harbinger

And sig isn’t even voting jay but he’s still leading, jfc

I don’t understand the way you guys play mafia sometimes

By the way, the reason this was bad...if he’s mafia and we kill Sig anyways, we gain nothing. If he’s town we’ve removed the chance for him to be sorted via NK (we’ve removed this if he’s mafia too).

In other words, we gain nothing by running up jay on a day we should just be killing outed mafia

At the risk of deepening chuck’s tunnel...I’ve thought jay was mafia since like D2, but today is not the day to kill him. Today is the day to kill 100% confirmed mafia.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:09 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.
If speedchuck is scum he’s a lot more comfortable open wolfing than most people are, so I’m going to keep playing the odds and say he’s town.
After I read the last page of Speed's Iso, thinking at how I felt interacting with him in the previous day I think the words Nanook used above matches my ideas.
Speeds effort today shows a civvie spirit imo.

@JaggedJimmyJay I can't make a wall case but the tl;dr is posted by Nanook.
Um, my thoughts pertain to two specific Chuck posts, neither of which especially recent, so....I kind of doubt we share the same opinion if you’re basing that off his recent stuff
Is ok i think. You keep your oppinion for old stuff, I am borrowing your words for latest posts

Fair!

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:05 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.
If speedchuck is scum he’s a lot more comfortable open wolfing than most people are, so I’m going to keep playing the odds and say he’s town.
After I read the last page of Speed's Iso, thinking at how I felt interacting with him in the previous day I think the words Nanook used above matches my ideas.
Speeds effort today shows a civvie spirit imo.

@JaggedJimmyJay I can't make a wall case but the tl;dr is posted by Nanook.

Um, my thoughts pertain to two specific Chuck posts, neither of which especially recent, so....I kind of doubt we share the same opinion if you’re basing that off his recent stuff

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:57 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.
ThAt'S a BaD rEaSoN tO tOwNrEaD mE
I agree that it's not great but it had such an impact on me. Anyway, as I said above I will reconsider you looking at your whole ISO. Is there a reason some of your letters are capitalized?

It denotes mocking sarcasm, it’s aimed at me!

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:15 am Looking at the sig wagon, aside from Colin I could see speedchuck as a possible addition. My town lean on him is stemming more from his sprityo post in our other thread than his entire ISO. I'll take a look at his ISO but I think that will probably be tomorrow unless someone see's this as urgent.

If speedchuck is scum he’s a lot more comfortable open wolfing than most people are, so I’m going to keep playing the odds and say he’s town.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:02 am Who is potential scum?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Nanook voted for nutella, Mac, and Mac but ignore the nutella vote because he was Nanook 1.0. He was doubtful about Radish early on. He argued against voting sig Day 3, saying he would TK many people over sig that day, then later that there were 4 better than him that day, defended him saying he's probably lassie. Saw S~V~S as mafia. Argues that his level in the split should be about finding Mac's teammates. Nanook posts a lot but I don't see a lot of deep analysis. Maybe this is just his style and I shouldn't fault him for it, anyone know? He appears to be compatible with Mac's team but I'm open to arguments against that.

@Turnip Head - I just ISO'd Turnip Head and I think I made it clear why I leaned scum there.

@tedxtr - voted Radishes, G-Man, Mac. Early on I didn't like his refusal to answer Dom, telling him to look in his ISO, after specifically telling people to @ him with questions. Early scum reads Colin and G-Man which is ok. Hard defends Mac as town. Scum reads sabie which is positive if he's not on Macs team. Doesn't see the Dizzy sig slip item as a real thing. Reads me as scum because I pushed it hard. Doesn't remember me saying anything about G-Man when I had posted about him and voted for him. Calls people scum who think he's not posting with the frequency of his civ game (he's not). Votes for Mac, says he would CFD me. Shades me for not giving rebuttal to why I pushed sig's case, said I have tunnel vision.(Split) Argues for sprit lynch but so do others. Still scum reads me even though I was right about sig. Why? @tedxtr have you even read my posts? ted's fixation on me (I think he's posted more shade at me than anyone else) is scummy to me because he only talked about one reason (I pushed dizzy theory about sig) I'm bad and I turned out to be right about that. He has indicated I'm wolf since but not provided any reasons. I'm sure he will attack me for this read but oh well. For those of you seeing ted as town please tell me why.

@Tranq - oops, looking over Tranq I see he should have been in my "still needs sorting group". He voted Turnip Head whom he posted suspicion of with references to TH's posts, and then Mac. I didn't see any specific reasons for Mac. Since he was in the 3 person split I don't have any data on him from there.

Ok, so I'll take a look at the sig wagon and see if I think I missed someone I should have classified as scum. I'll do the "x is not bad with y" thing to the best of my ability but I'm not real good at that type of analysis and so I don't ever do it. I'll try though.

I don’t really believe in doing “deep analysis.” Not really faulting anyone that plays that way, but it’s not how I play.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:18 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 am The ironic thing is that people scumreading me think I'm the AM and my actions are more compatible with being on the Master team than the AM team tbh
So you're saying you're being suspected for the wrong reasons?
Yes.

You get it.
I still think this is a bit scummy, but I laughed at it too. I like you guys and hope you both get lynched.

I agree with two thirds of that!

Oh nice

Harbinger should absolutely rez SVS then, we can get either a red check or a confirmed town via them living

Actually [mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Black Rock[/mention] is the resurrected player guaranteed to have the same alignment as when they were alive?

Requisite shameless plug now that a bunch of people are dead: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 264&t=1857

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 am The ironic thing is that people scumreading me think I'm the AM and my actions are more compatible with being on the Master team than the AM team tbh
So you're saying you're being suspected for the wrong reasons?

Yes.

You get it.

The ironic thing is that people scumreading me think I'm the AM and my actions are more compatible with being on the Master team than the AM team tbh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts
You can disagree but saying it’s arbitrary is uh....not good
I mean, why pick those three names?

Read his post again. He said why

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:30 pm I have been keeping an eye on the thread though and have a few general comments.

I get skepticism, but Jack's suggestion that one of myself, Jay, or juliets must be bad feels arbitrary. I'm not totally willing to write them off as suspects, but I have no urgent reason to regard them as suspects and can easily envision a world where they're both town.

The case against ted is the most intriguing new development I've seen today. The Jay case is paranoia bullshit at the moment as far as I can tell. I'm not sure why nanook has votes, but one of them is from sig which is goofy.

RIP Ghosts

You can disagree but saying it’s arbitrary is uh....not good

I find it hard to believe there were zero mac teammates on the Mac wagon tbh

At a guess I’d say 2/1 or 1/1/1 Sig/mac/off both, respectively

You guys bus more than greyhound

Sprityo or dizzy are the clear and obvious choices to bring back imo

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.
Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.
omigawd nuance.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.
Find them yourself. It’s just as hard for me to find as you.
Hell no. At least you know what day that was. You have 11 pages of posts.

Lololol you think I remember? I think it was like D1 or D2, maybe you sloonei or dizzy? Fuck if I know where though

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:57 pm I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.
Why though.
Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.
omigawd nuance.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Find them yourself. It’s just as hard for me to find as you.

I’ve also already posted more than I wanted to today, fuck you guys for drawing me in

It’s like if I said “Chuck is scum because his name is speedchuck.”

You can’t really refute or address that accusation, all you can say is “my name is speedchuck, but I’m town.”

I argue against reads made for what I see as bad reasons regardless of whether I agree with the end judgment or not.

There’s not really anything to address in your accusation, you say “you did this, it’s scummy,” there’s nothing to say to that beyond “I did that, it isn’t scummy”

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:33 am People that are claiming sig has to be scum and aren't questioning why he couldn't have just TMI as a town role (which is the only thing dys' case can be even pointed to, but I don't think that's even a viable probability) is weird. Juliets' vote stuck out like a sore thumb. She went hard on him for no reason, just based off this nonsensical case, and her calling sig desperate so early feels really fake. Moreso, claiming she read his ISO but holding him accountable ONLY for this slip thing is wolfy.
I hate the entire premise underlying this dig on juliets. "You are suspecting sig for the wrong reasons" -- he gave her a bunch of crap for her focus upon the Dizzy-borne "slip" theory against sig instead of whatever other theories were available. I have three gripes:

1) juliets was hardly the only person placing heavy emphasis upon Dizzy's ghost theory. He pulled her out of a hat. She has had vaguely negative energy from various other players all game long, and it makes her a prime target for this kind of bullshit.

2) There is nothing inherently wrong with that theory being the focus. This mindset looks fake.

3) tedxtr insisted more than once that the "slip" could be explained via town-TMI as much as mafia-TMI. I frankly think that's incorrect.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:26 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 pm Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.
I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)
Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:29 pm To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:49 pm I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow
"Sig can be scum, but don't read that because of the slip."
"Mac is scum, but but don't read that for the self-vote."

The circumstances are different, as Nanook didn't go hard against anyone for it, but I still think this is scummy.

I guess I’m scummy for arguing with people that they were TRing me for bad reasons too

I’ll let you know when the day is over and the poll is final

Tbh I don’t feel that you’ve made a genuine assessment of me since D2, and I certainly don’t think you’ve done any more to drive this game than I have, so this holier than thou “nanook has nothing worthwhile to say and never has” garbage is pretty irritating

It’s been implicit in several of your pushes and defenses of people through the course of the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:12 pm That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.
I'm not interested in your guilt trip.

And I’m not interested in your “I say more than almost everyone so I get to pretend I’m working harder or care more about the game than them” bullshit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:21 pm The dead players are town, such a bold take

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:21 pm Also didn’t nutella replace drago?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:22 pm And sprityo is dead and still light green

Wtf is this list jay

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:49 pm Obvious sig vote is obvious

I likely won’t be talking much during this day, due to a combination of being extremely busy getting ready for a trip on Wednesday and a firm belief that talking more only helps the scum team when the TK is decided.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:30 pm Anyone that tries to kill non-sig today and isn’t on his team is playing disgustingly bad, fwiw

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:31 pm Also if he actually can’t be TKed today and claimed it then he should straight up be modkilled. And if he isn’t immune to TK today, then he should always be TKed.

Today is not hard.
Nanook's last six posts amount to a failure to get a joke and then three consecutive useless Captain Obvious comments. They elapse about 24 hours. Dude is doing nothing, and that's not just limited to today.

That is demonstrably not true. I didn’t do much yesterday due to time constraints, and I’m actively not doing much today for reasons I’ve already discussed. However, I have done a lot before that. I’ve put a good deal of time and energy into this game, so you can fuck off with your effort shaming bullshit just cause I don’t play the same verbose style you do.

Also if he actually can’t be TKed today and claimed it then he should straight up be modkilled. And if he isn’t immune to TK today, then he should always be TKed.

Today is not hard.

Anyone that tries to kill non-sig today and isn’t on his team is playing disgustingly bad, fwiw

Obvious sig vote is obvious

I likely won’t be talking much during this day, due to a combination of being extremely busy getting ready for a trip on Wednesday and a firm belief that talking more only helps the scum team when the TK is decided.

And sprityo is dead and still light green

Wtf is this list jay

Also didn’t nutella replace drago?

The dead players are town, such a bold take

I’d be pretty surprised if juliets was scum tbh

Gonna treat ted as cleared

No-claim rules remain stupid af

It’s likely balanced by being short term, I’d guess. Or maybe it hits at a predetermined night. Idk, I’m just speculating—I wouldn’t bank on it, but I enjoy setup spec so I’m doing it anyways

So the issue is that if AM team has control of division, neither of them will be in this level, and Master team will be randomly distributed. If they don’t then I’d assume one in this level, but sig in the bottom suggests they do cause it makes sense to stall being able to kill him for as long as possible. So this level should be about finding Mac’s teammates and hoping there’s enough here.

I probably should’ve realized this a lot fucking sooner but I haven’t really had much time. Will try to do better next game day, can’t make promises though cause I’ll be traveling

I think sprityo is a good choice. I dislike the role hinting, though I’m clearly bad at reading into roles here.

If I had to tinfoil where scum are, I’d say AM is probably someone here that wasn’t suspected much coming into the day, or on the middle level. Assuming that the AM team controlled distribution at least. I’m too lazy/tired to try and figure out who fits that the best, but I think Epi and sprit both fit the mold. Maybe TH or jack but I don’t really wanna kill jack tbh.

I’m pretty much just ignoring role hints at this point lol

Saito wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:18 pm I see from level to level, horizon to horizon. All of the dreams unfold before my eyes. Ask twice, and I may answer.

How many members of each team are on this level?

Saito wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:18 pm I see from level to level, horizon to horizon. All of the dreams unfold before my eyes. Ask twice, and I may answer.

Is sprityo a baddie?

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