The Syndicate

In what world is sig a bad check

Its two checks for the price of one

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:10 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:21 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!
Urist is dead we can't use that meta anymore. Sad.
Don't think it matters when Urist claimed doc.

Urist is dead lol

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am Was looking through my old games and... I remember Urist was in a game on mafia451!

... you were in a game on 451?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:39 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:25 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them
the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.
I think you guys are making this game way more complicated than it needs to be lol
woah woah you think I am thinking?

No I'm thinking, i would never presume to make the assumption someone else is thinking, that would be much too bold for me

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:24 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:22 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:41 am I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh
what's the poe everyone is agreeing on?
Idk if everyone agrees on it, my poe is made/falcon/tutu/ruri
no wilgy?

Nope I think he's just town

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 am I wish we had a desperado still, or a night vig, or a day vig. So many people I want to kill and not enough time to kill them
the problem is, we have too many claims. we have too many suspects. we have too many complex connections. and we are just getting more and more confused.

I think you guys are making this game way more complicated than it needs to be lol

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:46 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:41 am I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh
what's the poe everyone is agreeing on?

Idk if everyone agrees on it, my poe is made/falcon/tutu/ruri

I could be wrong but I don't think this game is super complex atp (at least in the sense of what we have to deal with, the setup itself im sure is fairly complex)

I also don't think its super hard, tbh

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:38 am I still am in the camp that Wilgy’s wording is messy and not indicative of lying, but that’s just my gut

He could very well be a conniving carl

Its not even that messy tbh, if we assume epi is telling the truth about his wincon being compatible with town

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:37 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:33 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:32 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:29 am Ok no balls big balls

Mafia team is bo knows + falcon + tonystarkprime + sigurd

FINAL answer
This POE makes sense.

Guess we’ll see if bo flips red today!

If we’re lucky, both of you will
what do you think of wilgy according to BK's flip?
Not wholly related in interaction standpoint, IMO. Unless I’m misremembering.

Won’t have changed. Tho if Bo flips red today, we’ll all have the night to think about it.

Also there’s no freaking way I survive this night. I’m surprised mafia have strung me along this far.

Until recently there was a doc so

Ok, then make made viable and ill vote there instead

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:01 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:10 pm Vote tutu
No dont vote tutu she aint done nothin wrong ;-;
Get made over then
Alison townread made and i townread the treestump claim too

I think the game is tough. Coz i know im town. If ur town too this game is tough bro. Im going with falcon rn

I don't think this game is hard lol

And no made's claim is irrelevant

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:02 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:54 pm I have 4 votes on me when i poisoned a wolf and yall too impatient to see the flip
Bo's still posting lol

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:17 pm Yeah I passed TSP in post count. GG
Dude look at his posts lol

If he's mafia theres zero incentive to post at all or to vote pre eod

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:54 pm I have 4 votes on me when i poisoned a wolf and yall too impatient to see the flip

Bo's still posting lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:10 pm Vote tutu
No dont vote tutu she aint done nothin wrong ;-;

Get made over then

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:22 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:18 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:05 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:22 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:16 am Nook’s had a too-narrow-focused day so far.

I figured out tutuu and no one is talking about it except Rondo. Nook has avoided talking about tutuu. They’re probably partners.

Wilgy is probably just town.
Rondo is probably town or 3p.
Epi is 3p. I don’t have a reason to flip Epi today.
Poison is no longer in my top scum POE.
Ruri is on the line dancing between town and scum only because I don’t have a strong read. In no rush to lynch.

@sig and @TonyStarkPrime habe posted less than Bo recently, which is meme level lol

Get in here and help solve, fellas
The post where Ruri tries to pull focus off wiggly is interesting and I have been interested in flipping both wiggly and tutuu all day

I am town no 3p here. I wish I had Epi's role (If he actually has that role) which is why I am happy to work with him for a allied win
Wilgy claimed to have copped you though? That's quite ungrateful. I also don't see why we should be flipping a claimed cop who wasn't counterclaimed, when one of their red checks still has yet to flip. Come to think of it, I forgot why I ended up voting 112 instead. Bad memory, probably.
lol Ruri if Wilgy had said they green checked you, wouldn’t you at least be wary?
Wary, sure. But wanting to flip them? Nah. There's no cop counterclaim. There seems to be other ways of finding confirms, yes, like desperado/IC/treestump(?) but do they rule out a possible cop? Unless this site has some role meta I'm not aware of. Scum rolecop is possible though, I guess.
If it’s any consolation, I do believe that MR may have been exactly that
And is a main reason why I believe tutuu is scum
What is the point of a scum cop? they already know who is not mafia, sure finding poisoner and whatever epi is is important but really they can just murder everyone for a solution

They said role cop

As in checks peoples abilities

I mean wilgy was pretty forthright that 3p exists in a nebulous state and he doesn't get clear town/not town checks

Its not the gotcha its being portrayed as, it only makes him mafia if epi is non-town friendly

If epi has a wincon that doesn't clash with town's/town can win with him, it makes sense that wilgy would check him as not a threat

Ruri wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:10 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:59 am
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:32 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:40 pm i dont have another wish so theres that. i already knew 112 was the wish giver but ye
if you knew 112 was a wish giver, then why did you let the lynch happen? so you knew 112 was a 3p, and grants wishes, is not hostile, i hope not cause i haven't seen multiple kills, don't you think you should have talked about it??

i don't understand.

we are losing to scums mostly, and we have to find scum before we reach parity and if you knew 112 was 3p and not scum that is a valuable information and we could have approached the game differently ???

why let a wish granter die when you can wish for more actions to help town ?????????????
Based on flip color 112 was super likely to be hostile
3p have variations of flip colors on this site?

Theres no standardized flip color scheme on this site, im just making an educated guess/half joke--they have evil incarnate in their role name, lol, they're obviously not town aligned

Vote tutu

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:07 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:59 am
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:32 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:40 pm i dont have another wish so theres that. i already knew 112 was the wish giver but ye
if you knew 112 was a wish giver, then why did you let the lynch happen? so you knew 112 was a 3p, and grants wishes, is not hostile, i hope not cause i haven't seen multiple kills, don't you think you should have talked about it??

i don't understand.

we are losing to scums mostly, and we have to find scum before we reach parity and if you knew 112 was 3p and not scum that is a valuable information and we could have approached the game differently ???

why let a wish granter die when you can wish for more actions to help town ?????????????
Based on flip color 112 was super likely to be hostile
lol ok shit brown doesn’t equal hostile unless you’ve been having stomach problems

Not green means they're mean

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:13 am Bo has posts today so probably not mafia
Ok let’s kill tutuu then if she’s in your POE

Much prefer not made

I think made is a better place to go personally, but id definitely kill tutu over wilgy

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:02 am Made ruri falcon tutu is my working poe rn
So since Epi and Made have differing wincons,,,,

Couldn’t Made just be…town?

He could be, that's why I put him in poe instead of saying he's outed and yelling at people to vote him lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:17 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:13 am poison and nook both parity cops huh

ig i can see it with multiple 3ps
I'm explicitly not claiming parity cop. I have a difference check, I'm not a parity cop.
What is your current opinion/read on tutuu (independent from the Epi/Wilgy controversery)?

Exactly rand and in the poe

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:32 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:40 pm i dont have another wish so theres that. i already knew 112 was the wish giver but ye
if you knew 112 was a wish giver, then why did you let the lynch happen? so you knew 112 was a 3p, and grants wishes, is not hostile, i hope not cause i haven't seen multiple kills, don't you think you should have talked about it??

i don't understand.

we are losing to scums mostly, and we have to find scum before we reach parity and if you knew 112 was 3p and not scum that is a valuable information and we could have approached the game differently ???

why let a wish granter die when you can wish for more actions to help town ?????????????

Based on flip color 112 was super likely to be hostile

Bo has posts today so probably not mafia

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:09 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:05 am I believe wilgy's claim and his checks, I believe epi is 3p that's safe to ignore
Rondo town via wilgy green check
Tsp and sig mutually confirm
Poison town
Scotty ic via desperado shot

This game is just solved if mech doesn't fuck us
so tutuu first or who?

My preference is made i think, really im fine with any order

I believe wilgy's claim and his checks, I believe epi is 3p that's safe to ignore
Rondo town via wilgy green check
Tsp and sig mutually confirm
Poison town
Scotty ic via desperado shot

This game is just solved if mech doesn't fuck us

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:02 am Made ruri falcon tutu is my working poe rn

(Plus bo but bo is poisoned and thus irrelevant)

Made ruri falcon tutu is my working poe rn

That being said I'm reconsidering a bit cause

If epi does actually have a wincon that aligns with town, he probably would scan as not a threat/innocent to wilgy, based on how wilgy says his power works.

Like if wilgy's ability basically scans for "wins with town" or "doesn't win with town," that would make sense for him to get "not a threat" from a 3p with a wincon that coexists with town's, given town's wincon is to eliminate all threats.

So. Wilgy back to probably town. And I no longer care about epi

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:51 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:49 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:50 am I would like to give wilgy 1 more night to generate a peek personally, could be useful

@DrWilgy (this might sound corny but believe it or not i will self-resolve soon. Could i ask that you please peek 112 or epi tonight? If u think im town - pls trust me. Feel free to hold me accountable yall if i dont self resolve soon like im promising)
Wilgy called me innocent.

Whatever that means.

I think Wilgy is a liar and should be lynched.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:11 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:09 pm Epi is innocent.
so like

i think wilgy + rondo + epi could be a team

another team i can see is tsp + sig (lovers specifically, so tsp claiming to save partner is understandable) + someone else. idk. poison? not on 112's team tho if 112 mafia. or idk someone else
Why am I mafia with Wilgy and Rondo here?
wilgy claimed cop in response to ender claiming a red peek on him, so i thought that his cop claim was in desparation to save his ass

then i thought he probably green peeked his second partner coz yolo / trynna be flashy / mafia close to winning

like i said fam if it wasnt for ur 3p claim id be voting wilgy rn

He claimed cop but didn't claim a red on ender lol

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:41 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:35 am It wasn't even a burn, wot

Epi's opinion in general is meaningful, it doesn't matter this game cause he's 3p

Like

It isn't an insult of him, its just cause of his alignment
You've been in my ass all game.
Yeah and you aren't town? You can't get mad at me for reading you correctly lol
I'm not anti-civilian. I'm a literal independent. You don't win by lynching me. You can be good bad or ugly, you get nothing from killing me unless you are mafia and want to waste a lynch.

That's it.

You didn't "read me." And you didn't get any traction on me until I claimed of my own will (traction = tutu).

Who is mafia Nanook?

Why're you so salty I read you right lol, you've fooled me before but this one i got right, get over it

Independent isn't town, I will basically always kill a 3p in a closed setup. Like yeah maybe you can win with town, but maybe you can't, or all your execution targets are town, or some other negative thing. I'm not going to leave a 3p just cause they're mildly rude and abrasive to me, lol

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:35 am It wasn't even a burn, wot

Epi's opinion in general is meaningful, it doesn't matter this game cause he's 3p

Like

It isn't an insult of him, its just cause of his alignment
You've been in my ass all game.

Yeah and you aren't town? You can't get mad at me for reading you correctly lol

It wasn't even a burn, wot

Epi's opinion in general is meaningful, it doesn't matter this game cause he's 3p

Like

It isn't an insult of him, its just cause of his alignment

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:19 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:18 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:14 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:58 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am

7. Please don't reference any communication with the host!

I am not going to argue vernacular.

My opinion is that my reference to innocent should be seen as non-threat as that is the understanding of my role. Again, I believe that you are not a threat to town. Same applies to Rondo. Does this mean you are town? No, but we do not need to yeet you.
Do you think I am town?
same question to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Epignosis
Yeah I still think you're town
that makes me feel worse about wanting to yeet wiggly because Epi is someone I have felt is towny all game and his reveal doesnt really change much for me and I have felt the same for you being lean towny all game despite the gimmick. However you and Epi are against the same target on opposite sides of the yeet so I am unsure where to land
Epi's a 3p, his opinion is irrelevant lol
see I dont hold that same opinion

Then you're wrong

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:14 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:58 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:53 am Did the host tell you "non-threat" or "innocent?"
7. Please don't reference any communication with the host!

I am not going to argue vernacular.

My opinion is that my reference to innocent should be seen as non-threat as that is the understanding of my role. Again, I believe that you are not a threat to town. Same applies to Rondo. Does this mean you are town? No, but we do not need to yeet you.
Do you think I am town?
same question to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Epignosis
Yeah I still think you're town
that makes me feel worse about wanting to yeet wiggly because Epi is someone I have felt is towny all game and his reveal doesnt really change much for me and I have felt the same for you being lean towny all game despite the gimmick. However you and Epi are against the same target on opposite sides of the yeet so I am unsure where to land

Epi's a 3p, his opinion is irrelevant lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:13 am poison and nook both parity cops huh

ig i can see it with multiple 3ps

I'm explicitly not claiming parity cop. I have a difference check, I'm not a parity cop.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:58 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:53 am Did the host tell you "non-threat" or "innocent?"
7. Please don't reference any communication with the host!

I am not going to argue vernacular.

My opinion is that my reference to innocent should be seen as non-threat as that is the understanding of my role. Again, I believe that you are not a threat to town. Same applies to Rondo. Does this mean you are town? No, but we do not need to yeet you.
Do you think I am town?
same question to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Epignosis

Yeah I still think you're town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:31 am Nanook, I don't really care if I lose.

I mean, ok? Good for you

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:56 pm @tutuu
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Who are the mafia?

Gosh that must be a difficult thing to talk about right now.

Massive eyeroll

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:26 pm This is fun.

I kill a civilian = Epi must be good.

I kill a mafia = Epi must needs to go.

Wilgy calls me good = Epi must be good.

I call bullshit on Wilgy (for why? What purpose?) = Epi needs to go.

I'm happy with my play here. If I lose because mafia are running out of options, I'll consider that a personal victory.

You're losing cause you claimed lulz

Yeah you always kill the 100% confirmed not town first

Every fucking time

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:05 pm That's obviously false and did Wilgy dispute that verbiage?
he didnt and whats wrong with that? people use common / short words sometimes. wilgy also aint a man of many words

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:05 pm I doubt the host would call me "not a threat."
u also doubted how i woulda done some things in my magic the gathering game and the result was the opposite of u expectation, i think a healthy dose of skepticism is good when trynna guess how other hosts operate

Wilgy actually has said that his checks are threat/not a threat, and that he isn't told what 3p checks as, so

Theres also an ic and a modified parity cop, thats a lot of investigative power. Especially with the amount of protection evident.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:08 pm I nailed you d1 im so freaking good at this
You couldn't nail me if you were a horny magnetic hammer.

I had you d1

Anyways we kill epi and we probably kill wilgy and we go from there

As far as I can tell he's claiming no hard definition of what he receives (ie 3p could ostensibly come back as threat or not a threat), and epi is correct that 3p with kp coming back as not a threat is pretty weird, so.

I nailed you d1 im so freaking good at this

Like today is not a hard day, we ALWAYS kill the confirmed not town

Every single time

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:54 pm HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

now u convincing me to vote wilgy lmaooo

damn. this game is hard

It really isn't

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:43 pm I mean we're obviously killing the 3p today lol
Because you need me dead to win or mafia not good enough for you?
wait could nook actuall be an executioner? lmao i thought about it a bit

like epi have u seen the witcher? if u havent if u tell me ur flavor i can try to guess if nook's wincon is killing u lolol. nook could be another 3p

anyway i believe epi's claim

i wanna belive wilgy to be town too

and i also wanna believe that rondo is mafia

so what the fuck do i do lmaooooooo

Executioner is literally the role epi is claiming

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:43 pm I mean we're obviously killing the 3p today lol
Because you need me dead to win or mafia not good enough for you?

Cause you're not town

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