The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:34 pm Long Con defended Mac in this last phase when I was suspecting Mac. That doesn't look good for Mac.

mm. I remember having the idea that he and Jack were w/t or possibly w/w. largely unhelpful thought maybe but idk

jack town, mac wolf?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:14 am How do you know what the Mafia thought?

this is such a 'gotcha!' question to ask and i question your motives in it

112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:38 am Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

mafia really should've seen this coming and just killed me

they took the gamble, fair loss

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Let's just lynch the wolf.

Owing to my lacking contributions, I will now undertake the role of Town Bard and compel the town to victory by means of inspiration and music buffs.

town, town, he's the best
let him win it, fuck the rest

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:25 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:03 am Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:24 pmI'm town lol

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:25 pm got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all
It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.
Jack this is what I was asking for, your thoughts on yesterday's votes. Thanks.

why is it a good look for me 'esp if iaafr is scum'? not sure why jack would qualify it with that, granted i haven't been following well

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:56 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:55 pmCFD TL?
That would be fun, but no time/not enough people.

ok

see you guys next round

CFD TL?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:09 pm I agree that this lynch should be between me, Long Con and TLib. I'm town and between TLib and Long Con I lean scum on Long Con. If you lean scum on me, vote for me. TLib, vote for him. This group of 3 needs to be sorted.

imo you're trying to protect epi

nah mac's actually probably town because he got angry at me for not playing up to my own standards- said he was having difficulty reading me and i don't see him being a douche about it if he's a wolf who knows i'm town.

galaxy brain 2

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:45 pm If you want me that bad, have me.
OMG just fucking ISO me. What are you doing?
I'm letting you get your way Mac. Isn't it nice to get your way?

w/w

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:02 pm I'm actually not going to be around much till EoD. Let's just stick on Epi please and not lose our minds.

'Corrupt Union Official'

hmmm

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:51 pm This is dandy, we’ve got like half the players here to vote. I’m sure a couple won’t show and we’re sitting precariously at these low vote lynches

I implore everyone I pinged to check out my big juliets/TL/LC post since it offers more than just that as well

Epi too since I think he’s just waved me under the rug on it

I read it.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[mention]iaafr[/mention] - thoughts on jack? not sure if you've shared them yet but would like an up-to-date opinion.

that's fair and looks really bad tbh- the 'see who switches to eva' thing reads as actual high-probability TMI, and his waffling then uncommentated progression through to voting for me is unnatural and resembles an attempted save more than any honest application of townthink.

juliets had a weirdish post i barely remember where she randomly brought up earlier scumreads on her as if it was seriously burdening her mind

dunno if i'm misremembering, but it put me off

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:06 pm That's my current opinion.

what are your thoughts re: wagonomics of d1 votes quoted above?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:42 am I won't get into finding scum 'per dream level' because we can't actually assert with certainty that there was x scum per level. That became heavily affected by choice of 'lynch' + 'kill'. The exception is the initial split (and 'Limbo 3') because of course it would be somewhat balanced to start with.

So I agree - and have for awhile now - that there are still scum amongst Juliets/Long Con/T Lib.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:03 am D1 vote count

[10] Dragomir - Benson, nutella, vanity., Long Con, Master Radishes, Hyena, Trustworthy Liberal, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Pawn Lelouch, juliets
[7] 112 - Creature, Evenstar, TonyStarkPrime, novaselinenever, Elephant, Epignosis, Jackofhearts2005
[3] Evenstar - Texas Cloverleaf, sprityo, Quin
[2] Hyena - Dom, Michelle
[2] No Lynch - iaafr, boo
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] MacDougall - Dragomir
[1] nutella - Lady LambdaDelta
[1] Trustworthy Liberal - 112
--------------------------
Two scum voting against Drago. Admittedly, Elephant was earlier in the round, but Eva was in the final minutes. So that suggests they didn't want Drago to die. Epi and Jack both voted 112 a few hours before EoD, so are not immediately suspect because of their votes, but fit the profile well enough. I don't think both are scum, though, and my thoughts on which one could be are pretty clear by this point.

That said, there are almost certainly scum bussing, and 112 is not cleared.

Vote analysis to be continued.

if that's the actual votecount, there's almost certainly scum in epi/jack

>90%

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:00 pm That would be against the rules, I'm afraid.

oh. whoops.

i guess i distorted my interpretation of it thru all these wild dreams

iaafr is probably scum, right?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:30 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:20 am @Syndicaters - is Epi's reaction here normal for his meta? I mean his whole 'civilians are fucked, there's no one here, you guys are playing the game wrong, just rememebr this after I die' diatribe. Because normally when I see that sort of reaction to someone's impending lynch, they're mafia trying to fake emotion they feel looks genuine.
"Hello. I'm Master Radishes. I'm full of shit and not a civilian but trying to influence the outcome of this in my own best interest."
"Hello. I'm Epignosis. I can't argue against my accuser using logic and reasoning because I do indeed have connections to every single dead scum, so I'm going to attack his credibility instead."

You know you're losing an argument when...?
big gottem
I don't suppose it would be too much to ask you to...you know...do something.

Unless you're attending another cat funeral, then pardon me.

I am going to try.

Could you tell the thread who you visited last night?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:20 am @Syndicaters - is Epi's reaction here normal for his meta? I mean his whole 'civilians are fucked, there's no one here, you guys are playing the game wrong, just rememebr this after I die' diatribe. Because normally when I see that sort of reaction to someone's impending lynch, they're mafia trying to fake emotion they feel looks genuine.
"Hello. I'm Master Radishes. I'm full of shit and not a civilian but trying to influence the outcome of this in my own best interest."
"Hello. I'm Epignosis. I can't argue against my accuser using logic and reasoning because I do indeed have connections to every single dead scum, so I'm going to attack his credibility instead."

You know you're losing an argument when...?

big gottem

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:49 pm If Epi is lynched and flips green, I'll definitely reconsider the bunny.

lining them up?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:38 am I’d love some reads on 112. I feel like they’re spouting bullshit and I’m the only one who cares.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:29 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:20 pm Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.

Mongrels.
what rainbow?
viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290
nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped
So can I just say when you link that i can't see it at all.
Most likely Same for people that were on my level.

i didn't link it- was quoting jack, who linked

112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:20 pm Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.

Mongrels.
what rainbow?
viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290
nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

the point i made then still stands- everyone actually scummy is within your null tier

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:20 pm Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.

Mongrels.
what rainbow?
viewtopic.php?p=562203#p562203

viewtopic.php?p=562290#p562290

nobody you have listed as scum there has even flipped

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:20 pm Btw @112 @Pawn Lelouch if you guys wanna come back to that discussion about how much you hated my D2 rainbow now that we know there are probably no townies in Eva, Radishes and Iaafr and now that we know that Nova and DF are town and LC and Juliets are likely town as well...

I’m right here.

Mongrels.

what rainbow?

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:57 am
112 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:00 am epi's post against me was garbage
What was garbage?

You were cherry-picking quotes and misrepresenting what I said- and falling into the pit of describing an action without going into details on the chain of reasoning that implies it as wolfy.

he's saying i point things out without making judgment but he does the same thing to me smh

epi's post against me was garbage

nihilism is the bane of all existence; it is our duty to fight it to our graves.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:59 pm You're so transparent.
It's called laziness and apathy actually.

i feel that dawg and have tried so hard to fight it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:58 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:56 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:55 pm Honestly just lynch Hyena. He's probs mafia off of Elephant.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine
I don't like this.
Finish the thought.

It reads like a powerwolf post to me. It's a mild thought- if it were a bigger ping, I'd share more words. I post things like that to prompt people to reread things for themselves when I get a tingle I don't know how to phrase. Asking me to elaborate is antithetical to the reason I post it; I want to see whether others can see what I see in the post.

What /i/ don't like about it is that it's so directly suggestive- the confidence seems forced, like he /wants/ to be seen as confident in the read, like he's shooting for the TWTBW cred. when i want to make a vote but don't care to explain it i don't usually say antyhing- i just vote. but pawn felt the need to justify it somehow, to tack on those two sentences with nothing really behind them but base confidence that can't reasonably manifest in a town game

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:55 pm Honestly just lynch Hyena. He's probs mafia off of Elephant.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

I don't like this.

iaafr pls project town

off radish imo

Long Con is who i'd look at before hyena and nute tbh

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:32 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:40 pm Eva-- forget nutella and Epi for a second-- I'm not voting for either.

Who is bad and why?
Radishes, because of everything that happened in D4, plus compelling reasons that I can't share. Willing to let the vig get him though.
Quin, because they've lurked through the entire game and have a wolfy pickup today.
If it's not Nutella, Hyena is very likely scum. If neither of them are, look at Long Con.
112 could still be scum and I'm very tempted to resolve them today. They've felt weird this whole game and they had a wolfy vote earlier.

Never scum:
LLD
Rabbit
Pawn Lelouch

do it. resolve me. i dare you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:25 pm Oh, thanks for reminding me, Jack...

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:17 am On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. @Elephant I need to see more from you today.
This was such a wishy washy post. "I don't agree with everything she says but that's okay"? "I need to see more from you today"?

Juliets, as I recall your movement onto vanity stood out to me for seeming to just sheep others. Am I mischaracterising that?

yeah that's a bad post

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:10 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:08 pm wait just saw that apparently Benson was annoyed we didn't lynch TL. there could be something there- not so likely that he and i both screw up a read like that, even if it's early tbh
Yeah, I trust his reads, and I have a growing SR on T Lib myself.

There was a brief wagon on him that a bunch of people hopped on, then hopped off. I'm bad at in-the-moment wagonomics so I don't know what it means.

Do you want to make it a counter-wagon with me?

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

Yes.

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:03 am @112

hey 112 i've missed you

could you do some stream of consciousness on your thoughts on elephant and relevant associatives over the course of this game?

As far as associatives go, they're not something I typically pay attention to without more flips than we've had. I don't remember him being a major proponent of the Dragomir lynch and so wouldn't use that in any way to clear him. And I don't think I've read a single post this game and had an 'a wolf wouldn't post that' revelation, and I keep feeling like I'm detecting bad agenda, power-wolfy confidence and very forced reactions from all of the posts I've read of him. I haven't been in the same dream as him since D1, but the feelings I had on him then still linger because he was a very strong wolf read of mine early in the game.

wait just saw that apparently Benson was annoyed we didn't lynch TL. there could be something there- not so likely that he and i both screw up a read like that, even if it's early tbh

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:18 am I would like to kill Long Con more than I would like to kill elephant. Long Con is more classically scummy in my opinion.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:51 pm @Long Con
@Quin

Did ya’ll miss me? I haven’t seen you since I got back. Gimmie some #content.
Soonish. I'll give you my catchup hot takes, still reading up. Epignosis - Evenstar took a turn when Epi decided she's not scum but is actually town, for the Four Reasons. I was seeing Ep as the Civ side of things there, but this turnaround could be a calculated pocketing ploy. LLD and Eva voting nutella is not that cool, nutella has looked very town over the days, and the timing of Eva's vote wasn't the best. 112 maybe sketchy. Michelle maybe sketchy.
This is a very reserved style of writing and the post seems to follow a checklist.
112 captures part of the spirit here

i think ive said this w.r.t nut, perhaps incorrectly, but i dont feel a town undercurrent with long con's thoughts. on elephant, individually, i'm torn. i'd rahter kill long con than elephant.

very good post. thank you.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:16 am ill just stay on elephant for now because im torn here

hyena wagon building would be nice

would prefer @112 get off evenstar for today and talk to me more about hyena and elephant

i dont trust these animals

ok. i am about to catch up.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

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