The Syndicate

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:10 am Poison Died, they were Uninformed Backup Cop it is now Exile phase and KZA has returned!

Holy sh*t

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:03 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:41 am Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.
My favourite post in this game

We win? Yryy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:45 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:41 am Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.
Youre dead lol

Sorry for the ghost appearance. I'll go look back at my death scene.

Thank you kind sir.

Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.

[VOTE: awut] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:33 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:16 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:27 am Poison's reaction to my suggestion that we don't just exile her every day wasn't great (because yeah I'm literally suggesting a strategy that close to guarantees we don't lose to exile regardless of any single player's alignment) but I think that the assertion from her that me not supporting a winning town strategy from her PoV makes me less likely to be town is probably towny? (Even though it's a very flawed assessment mechanically).

I was hesitant seeing how desperate she seemed to be to get exiled repeatedly but I think it's less likely that she immediately jumps to calling me a wolf without understanding what I'm suggesting if she's actually a wolf?

Not entirely sure on this yet but it was a thought I had.
Can you quote the post from where you interpreted "
Poison's reaction to my suggestion that we don't just exile her every day wasn't great"

@Wiml

If you are reading correctly and then coming to this conclusion then you are framing me without a base.

If you are reading it wrong and then posting so boldly then I would suggest you to take some time before making a conclusion.

Now, about your opinion and the whole exile thing,
1. I was against exiling the same person twice. I have talked about it in more than one post. I have even referred to Creature and said his plan about exiling the same person to win won't be a good idea at all. For that I asked Gavial and confirmed my doubts and clearly stated I am against exiling a single player twice, every day shouldn't be a question there at all.

2. Your strategy about exiling was what I was against not that I wanted to get exiled myself. Again just quote me. Cause you can't make up stories against me that never happened. The fact that you said I'm desperate about getting exiled is wayyy too much, I haven't even self voted or asked a single player to vote for me. I just didn't want you to be exiled because of my earlier concerns.

@MacDougall yeah traitors don't know who other traitors are but they are moving their wands and things would be happening like magic.
@Poison

I came to the conclusion that your actions were towniet and that I felt a bit better about you actually being town.

I don't understand what you're against at all then? My entire suggestion was never to exile the same person twice and then you went off at it? I absolutely agree that shouldn't be the case.

@Wiml It's not about the conclusion and you reading me town but the fact that you were wrong. You mentioned something about four other townies over a greencheck to be exiled + some wording with "exiling 1,2 traitors would be okay" I wasn't sure about that and hence I said in the thread I'll review it later, but you believed in a wrong argument and was bold about it. Generally seen as a wolf trait.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:15 pm KGMurphy was Traitor

Poison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:30 pm Guys, y'all are dumb.

The host has already declared one Traitor for us.

Look at voting poll.

The host says "I work with him"

And we know the famous saying, "If you know the criminal and keep sush about it, you are the equal criminal they are]

The host knows who the criminals are. The traitors. He is the criminal along with them.

But we can spare the host.

So basically he said he works with Murphy. So Murphy is the Traitor.

Ez.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:27 am Poison's reaction to my suggestion that we don't just exile her every day wasn't great (because yeah I'm literally suggesting a strategy that close to guarantees we don't lose to exile regardless of any single player's alignment) but I think that the assertion from her that me not supporting a winning town strategy from her PoV makes me less likely to be town is probably towny? (Even though it's a very flawed assessment mechanically).

I was hesitant seeing how desperate she seemed to be to get exiled repeatedly but I think it's less likely that she immediately jumps to calling me a wolf without understanding what I'm suggesting if she's actually a wolf?

Not entirely sure on this yet but it was a thought I had.

Can you quote the post from where you interpreted "
Poison's reaction to my suggestion that we don't just exile her every day wasn't great"

@Wiml

If you are reading correctly and then coming to this conclusion then you are framing me without a base.

If you are reading it wrong and then posting so boldly then I would suggest you to take some time before making a conclusion.

Now, about your opinion and the whole exile thing,
1. I was against exiling the same person twice. I have talked about it in more than one post. I have even referred to Creature and said his plan about exiling the same person to win won't be a good idea at all. For that I asked Gavial and confirmed my doubts and clearly stated I am against exiling a single player twice, every day shouldn't be a question there at all.

2. Your strategy about exiling was what I was against not that I wanted to get exiled myself. Again just quote me. Cause you can't make up stories against me that never happened. The fact that you said I'm desperate about getting exiled is wayyy too much, I haven't even self voted or asked a single player to vote for me. I just didn't want you to be exiled because of my earlier concerns.

@MacDougall yeah traitors don't know who other traitors are but they are moving their wands and things would be happening like magic.

If we are not letting me go to exile that's fine but I am highly against a wiml exile.

@MacDougall If you thought 112 is a traitor why are you voting the player she wants to exile?

I'll be down to send wisdom but not wiml

Probably too sleepy to understand wilm's point atm. I'll be free after tomorrow so that should be good?

Good night!

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:54 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:48 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:46 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:25 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:19 pm One thing I will suggest again is never exile the same person twice.

Suddenly... to lose via exile, we now have to be wrong and exile every single living traitor at some point during the game and even if we exile 1 or 2 traitors is doesn't matter.

I think this is much safer than the alternative of exiling anybody multiple times.
I'm starting to understand the pros of this strat.
Let's say we decide we want to give Marmot 5 peeks.

I would much rather bet the game on the four towniest players of our choice + 112 not containing all three out of three of the remaining traitors than I would solely on Poison being town.
I'm a green check. As green as the turtle in your avy.

Also, your opinion is faulty here, on exile thing.

And @Creature we can't be sure about exiling the same player over and over again without some confirmations.

@Gavial does it have to be 3 different traitors to be exiled at some point in the game or would you count it if a single traitor is exiled three times?
@Gavial
If at any point a traitor has been caught in exile and it occurred 3 times, traitors win.

Not exiling the same person twice. Thanks.

But iirc, I was in the anti cop pool too right. How can you trust me being a town after the greencheck.
Let the traitors think hard if they wanna try to save me or should we just 100% believe In the green check

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:03 pm I do have a green check, although I'm honestly leaning towards not exiling the same person over and over again, just in case it's wrong. Because as you say, even a green check at this point could be wrong.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:04 pm Poison is a green check. I feel fairly confident about it being right, but not 100%.
for the record, in the future unless someone is being voted, don't out your green checks anymore

i understand the sntiment about not exiling someone over and over, but that's playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. look at it this way: if we exxile someone three times in a row and do NOT lose the game, they are mechanically confirmed town. that is incredibly powerful. right now, there are 3 traitors and 9 townies excluding you. a good townread is likely to be correct. ultimately, when a nightless game comes down to endgame, you need to bet the game on one person being town for sure. what exiling 3x right now does is test your most confident townread right here and now, rather than waiting until we got down in numbers after several days to see if it's right

What why would we risk that?

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:46 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:25 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:19 pm One thing I will suggest again is never exile the same person twice.

Suddenly... to lose via exile, we now have to be wrong and exile every single living traitor at some point during the game and even if we exile 1 or 2 traitors is doesn't matter.

I think this is much safer than the alternative of exiling anybody multiple times.
I'm starting to understand the pros of this strat.
Let's say we decide we want to give Marmot 5 peeks.

I would much rather bet the game on the four towniest players of our choice + 112 not containing all three out of three of the remaining traitors than I would solely on Poison being town.
I'm a green check. As green as the turtle in your avy.

Also, your opinion is faulty here, on exile thing.

And @Creature we can't be sure about exiling the same player over and over again without some confirmations.

@Gavial does it have to be 3 different traitors to be exiled at some point in the game or would you count it if a single traitor is exiled three times?

@Gavial

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:19 pm One thing I will suggest again is never exile the same person twice.

Suddenly... to lose via exile, we now have to be wrong and exile every single living traitor at some point during the game and even if we exile 1 or 2 traitors is doesn't matter.

I think this is much safer than the alternative of exiling anybody multiple times.

This is a bad post. Never voting wilm for exile for sure.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:25 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:19 pm One thing I will suggest again is never exile the same person twice.

Suddenly... to lose via exile, we now have to be wrong and exile every single living traitor at some point during the game and even if we exile 1 or 2 traitors is doesn't matter.

I think this is much safer than the alternative of exiling anybody multiple times.
I'm starting to understand the pros of this strat.
Let's say we decide we want to give Marmot 5 peeks.

I would much rather bet the game on the four towniest players of our choice + 112 not containing all three out of three of the remaining traitors than I would solely on Poison being town.

I'm a green check. As green as the turtle in your avy.

Also, your opinion is faulty here, on exile thing.

And @Creature we can't be sure about exiling the same player over and over again without some confirmations.

@Gavial does it have to be 3 different traitors to be exiled at some point in the game or would you count it if a single traitor is exiled three times?

Auwt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:41 pm Sending Wiml looks like the best option imo.
[VOTE: Wiml] aubergine

Why do you think wilm is the best option for you?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:39 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:35 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:05 pm KZA/Mac/Creature/Wiml/Myself are the people I'm willing to exile today.
Why not Poison?
You and me are PoE smh
Marmot green checked you.

ofc I'M A TOWN.

@Marmot!!!!!!!!

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:36 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:29 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:21 am There has been 3 Traitor’s sent to exile
(Traitor Win)
Wait, do these have to be three different traitors? Because if so, then we'll never lose through exile if we just keep exiling 112 over and over again.
I assumed this wasn't the case.
There are so many things broken in this setup that I just assume it's the least broken option.
But there are 4 traitors tho, so even if we have elimed one they still have chances to win no?

Nvm you talked about exiling the same player over and over again. Well yeah then it should be good tbh, I need to read the op again.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:35 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:05 pm KZA/Mac/Creature/Wiml/Myself are the people I'm willing to exile today.
Why not Poison?

You and me are PoE smh

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:29 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:26 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:21 am There has been 3 Traitor’s sent to exile
(Traitor Win)
Wait, do these have to be three different traitors? Because if so, then we'll never lose through exile if we just keep exiling 112 over and over again.
I assumed this wasn't the case.
There are so many things broken in this setup that I just assume it's the least broken option.

But there are 4 traitors tho, so even if we have elimed one they still have chances to win no?

Aight Falcon was the traitor gg

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:18 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:06 am I learned that falcon is a traitor. I'm not sure what you're trying to figure out.
you got no other reads?

I think if he gives out his reads the anti cop might guess the target from it?

Nvm 6 am is not the ideal time. I'll go back to bed.

*them

Him/her

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:01 pm I feel kinda bad for the traitors as this is pretty close to a nightless cop game. I thought there was some real counter to cop claiming.
Yes their anticop kinda has to just guess right and hide or they're boned?

The anti-cop if guesses correctly, then knows marmot well. We will find him then.

Nvm I voted for th as well

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:02 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:59 pm lol us if both 112 and Gira are traitors and we were between them on who to exile last night.
112 has a very good bead on me when I am town and their weird turn on me surprised me. Other than that they've been ok. 112 is an s-tier wolf when on form though.

Who voted for 112 the s tier god? Catch them.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:59 pm lol us if both 112 and Gira are traitors and we were between them on who to exile last night.

That would be sad. Out of them who do you think is more likely to be a Traitor if you had to choose.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:58 pm We have three traitors left assuming falcon's a hit. Cruise control is not the way to find them imo.

My role will become less and less useful as the game goes (unless falcon somehow manages to be the anti-cop), so we can't simply rely on me the whole time.

Okay! But we still love you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:50 pm @Marmot where did KZA spew himself town exactly?

I gather that him bothering to post a million reads when he's on the chopping block and redpeeked is him saying "here's where to look when I flip town". Do you think he does this exact thing as a traitor? I don't

On the flipside, Falcon hasn't posted since I revealed my peek, and that's how I'd expect a peeked traitor to respond.
On the off chance that you were bluffing its a good move isn't it. I've seen so many fake checks on here lately it's become the meta. I somewhat expected you were faking and I am sure I am not alone.

I do think KZA is probably town but I wouldn't be clearing him just yet. Definitely strong town though.

Hmmmm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:53 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:50 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:48 pm Why is marmot voting marmot!!!!
He pulled his vote off KZA to prevent hammer before.

You could just catch up. This explosion of activity is coming across quite low effort. You are capable of projecting town in your efforts to solve and this ain't been it.
Feels like Poison is just so disconnected from the thread and keeps bringing outdated shit from everywhere.
I dunno if its scummy though for her. I probably need to reread her other games I've played.

Ayyyyyyy

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:50 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:48 pm Why is marmot voting marmot!!!!
He pulled his vote off KZA to prevent hammer before.

You could just catch up. This explosion of activity is coming across quite low effort. You are capable of projecting town in your efforts to solve and this ain't been it.
Feels like Poison is just so disconnected from the thread and keeps bringing outdated shit from everywhere.

Honestly yes. I am not much invested this time around can't be till 6th June that's the last date of submitting all my assignments.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:48 pm Suspecting me because I'm not suspecting you mean enough doesn't move the needle in a positive direction for me at all.

I am not trying to prove myself with that concern though. That's a real question I had. And asking it should at least help me get an idea of you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:47 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:41 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:36 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.
So the two players suspecting u (ithink?). I’d have to double check Poison’s posts though
I hard town read mac.

Now I'm not. Probably.
You aren't town reading me? Why?
I am but I'm not hard town reading you like before because you can be fishing here. In previous games when you thought I was scum, you were hardly against me as if you'd catch me and put me in a box and sit on top it while eating a sandwich.

Very scary.

But here you are being pretty chill about it so far. Not scary Mac.
You didn't take a firm adversarial position against me when I suspected you so I felt no overwhelming urge to kill you. You also played day 1 similarly to me. I also have been either at work, hanging with friends or sleeping all of day 2 so far and haven't really been all that present.

That said I do think you're probably a traitor.

Ayy me too, mostly why I'm playing this at 6 am before the class. But I see.

Why is marmot voting marmot!!!!

Why is KZA not voting falcon?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:42 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:31 pm I really need to read the thread and try to figure out why in not a top wagon or have any vote against me, the player who started to divert away from voting me is 10000% a Traitor for mistaking me a Traitor and trying to save me.

Got ya.
Okay stop operating on level 3 this is at best a level 2 game.

But that's likely the matter here tho.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:41 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:36 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.
So the two players suspecting u (ithink?). I’d have to double check Poison’s posts though
I hard town read mac.

Now I'm not. Probably.
You aren't town reading me? Why?

I am but I'm not hard town reading you like before because you can be fishing here. In previous games when you thought I was scum, you were hardly against me as if you'd catch me and put me in a box and sit on top it while eating a sandwich.

Very scary.

But here you are being pretty chill about it so far. Not scary Mac.

[VOTE: falcontheredcheckedtraitor] aubergine

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:35 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:34 pm Oh sweet KZA spewed himself town.

I lied about who I rechecked. It was actually falcon, not KZA. Falcon is the traitor here.
why is everyone voting KZA then????????
He was fake red checked by Marmot until that very post

Oh then tell me creature, why did you not want me lynched before the redcheck?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:47 pm Falcon or Poison.
So the two players suspecting u (ithink?). I’d have to double check Poison’s posts though

I hard town read mac.

Now I'm not. Probably.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:34 pm Oh sweet KZA spewed himself town.

I lied about who I rechecked. It was actually falcon, not KZA. Falcon is the traitor here.

why is everyone voting KZA then????????

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:14 pm If there was no guilty, I'd probably go for Auwt today and maybe Poison the next day.

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

SMH

I really need to read the thread and try to figure out why in not a top wagon or have any vote against me, the player who started to divert away from voting me is 10000% a Traitor for mistaking me a Traitor and trying to save me.

Got ya.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:57 pm I feel like I accidentally put Poison on my ignore list. It's not possible Poison has like 80 or so posts and I still don't remember any from them.

Yee, mostly because the time zone, I hardly get time in day cause uni and then I'm a sleepy head I go to bed by 11 so I'm here only near the EOD time which is like 7 pm for me, when you are not here. Ez maths.

Wait why am I not the top wagon???

Good morning!

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