The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:28 pm All this game did was make me afraid to go outside.

So thank you for that.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:13 pm Thanks for the game everyone!

Syn thanks for hosting!

I loved playing with you again. Can't wait until next time <3

Great f'n gane Michelle.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:04 am michelle wonky around lime elim with humor

wigly votes

I trust wigly over michelle

but I love ya both

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:13 pm Why couldn't you have just killed me.

I don't wanna be in f3.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:54 pm Joined for the flavour and got some cool bug facts. 10/10.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:02 pm Wiml you've been great

Wigly calm yourself I probs took too many bong hits. I just decided to roll with my gut.

Michelle has brought humor

ExLight brought his power style of play

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:50 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:49 pm If Ex flips town then I'd almost always vote Roxy tomorrow.

If the wolf is outside of those two names then you can blame me and I'll take full accountability for the loss.

If the wolf is outside of those two names then you can blame me and I'll take full accountability for the win.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:45 pm Sorry it's a bad time for eod for me

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:59 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:57 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:40 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:34 pm @Roxy how did you come to me being 60% likely to be a wolf yesterday?

That seems like an insane confidence level on me being a wolf for it to come out of nowhere.

Why is 60% an insane confidence?

For reference, I'd probably say my confidence level on Quin flipping wolf was about 50%?

60% is a very strong scumread and yet the read seems to have largely popped out of nowhere. Seeing Roxy be suddenly very confident that I'm the wolf (in spite of attributing the Lime Coke flip to me + previously having me as town) while not really having the explanation to back that up and not seeming to act on that read at all is something that I think is worth at least probing into for further info.

I consider a probably of 50% a coin flip - goes either way. But maybe math is different at you.
A 60% confidence is mild, not strong imo, and it's a wishy washy read without the interntion to solve your slot.
If 60% is strong, how is 90%?

90% is my Lime Coke read.

For reference, I would use 25% for a player who I thought was =random chance to be mafia in this situation.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:40 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:34 pm @Roxy how did you come to me being 60% likely to be a wolf yesterday?

That seems like an insane confidence level on me being a wolf for it to come out of nowhere.

Why is 60% an insane confidence?

For reference, I'd probably say my confidence level on Quin flipping wolf was about 50%?

60% is a very strong scumread and yet the read seems to have largely popped out of nowhere. Seeing Roxy be suddenly very confident that I'm the wolf (in spite of attributing the Lime Coke flip to me + previously having me as town) while not really having the explanation to back that up and not seeming to act on that read at all is something that I think is worth at least probing into for further info.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:34 pm @Roxy how did you come to me being 60% likely to be a wolf yesterday?

That seems like an insane confidence level on me being a wolf for it to come out of nowhere.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 2:27 pm As for Ex, I'm just going to hold off saying much there for the moment still.

All I'll say wrt recent posts is that I think the frustration is real but I don't find it to be towny.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:59 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm Sorry yesterday was busy as hell for me and today relatively the same.

Granted I knew about today, yesterday's wasn't expected.

Anyways....

I'm way far behind so my reads have been messed up.

I see that Wiml at least is giving me a chance so I'll lean town there.

Idk who else I'm completely lost.

my ISO is short, read me and tell me what you think.

spoiler,

Spoiler: show

I've been mostly lazy until recently.

Also, this one. It's not w/w.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:31 pm A silly gamestate is 9 times out of 10 a pro T gamestate. See champs 2023 game 1 d1. We went full silly.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:59 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm Sorry yesterday was busy as hell for me and today relatively the same.

Granted I knew about today, yesterday's wasn't expected.

Anyways....

I'm way far behind so my reads have been messed up.

I see that Wiml at least is giving me a chance so I'll lean town there.

Idk who else I'm completely lost.

my ISO is short, read me and tell me what you think.

spoiler,

Spoiler: show

I've been mostly lazy until recently.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:53 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 pm

Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:03 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:52 am also I miss splints this game and also SVS.

I've got reasons to TR a few players, and as of now I'm looking at Epi, Lime & Kate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:26 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:28 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:26 pm Hi everybody

Hey Kate! Cool to finally play a game with you. I can't be certain, but I suspect we might have a decent yin-yang dynamic available to us, you and I. Your style is heavily intuitive, and it's a nice complement to, well, you'll see.

Only applicable if you received a town role.

I'm town. I'm always town!

Come be towny and do the Kate town stuff

@Kate Are you able to talk to me about some reads?





I've glanced at your argument re: Neon & her coherency as Maf v T, what else ya got?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:06 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:57 pm Why are yall voting for 7up?

Talk to me about what you find in his ISO

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:06 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:57 pm Why are yall voting for 7up?

Talk to me about what you find in his ISO

Carbonation, sugar and artificial flavorings.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:38 pm I just played 2 games with him.

1. Bad. Was quiet and evasive, but popping in and out and still personable.

2. Good. More involved in solving. Much more. Still personable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:59 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm Sorry yesterday was busy as hell for me and today relatively the same.

Granted I knew about today, yesterday's wasn't expected.

Anyways....

I'm way far behind so my reads have been messed up.

I see that Wiml at least is giving me a chance so I'll lean town there.

Idk who else I'm completely lost.

my ISO is short, read me and tell me what you think.

spoiler,

Spoiler: show

I've been mostly lazy until recently.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:00 pm Also Falc's ISO is short, maybe respond there?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:10 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:56 pm Sorry yesterday was busy as hell for me and today relatively the same.

Granted I knew about today, yesterday's wasn't expected.

Anyways....

I'm way far behind so my reads have been messed up.

I see that Wiml at least is giving me a chance so I'll lean town there.

Idk who else I'm completely lost.

Hi Brad, do you have an idea of how much you'll be able to read before EoD?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:14 pm I... sincerely hope that Lime Coke isn't town.

Will wait for his catch up.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:19 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:59 pm Let me guess, without reading, princess Abigail has used ATE to get yall to move off her?

Unnecessary shade for a wagon still sitting in self pres range without reading the game noted

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:07 pm careful to give me too much credit there Jay. Half my posts are about fettuccini.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:08 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:40 pm Interested in hearing from anybody who has a strong read on Wilgy / Epi / Quin, particularly if you think that they're villagers.

They're players who I don't know very well and all tend to fall into the category of "has towny moments but nothing conclusive".

I think Epi is town. It's not like he is out of his scum range or I have a big experience playing with him, but I liked his tone and solve.

Wilgy is relaxed and his jokes are funny - I tend to give town reads for players with good sense of humor. Also I liked his focus on Quin's vote and the way he talked about it

Quin is fluid in votes and reads, things I consider to be villagery. I don't remember meta, last time we were wolves together and I remember he was more stiff.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:28 pm Lime Coke's probably not coming back, is he?

(Appreciate the responses, taking my time going through them).

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:05 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:40 pm So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.

*solved*

How dare you.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:59 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?

If Brad is actually town, Roxy looks good for not immediately jumping on the "it's a difference check, Wiml looks bad" train that seems all too tantalising for a wolf to push in that scenario.

But I think Roxy's approach to Lime has been good regardless of his alignment (and unrelated to my alignment as well).

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:16 pm Wilgy, will you please move back onto a non-vanity wagon before EoD? Just to avoid shenanigans since Lime will probably self pres at some point.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:59 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

Hmmm...

If Brad is town, does W Roxy have the need to stack here sheeping the Wiml?

My first guess would be no, though it'd be less about need and more about character. I think mafia Roxy would probably be less inclined to forgive Wiml for being wrong in advance if LC is town. It's just a small hunch though.

Aye, unless it's a team assoc. I know W Roxy is very pro teammate. Wiml/Roxy has some merit there.

This is good to know.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:24 pm Aye, and Idk how much more I have in me to look at ISOs.

I feel that Kate is carrying more threadweight than they should.

PoE
Abigail/Kate, LC/(Wiml/Roxy), Quin

Gut says to trust the others, but I can't explain inherently why. LC going over this cycle is fine, but I don't think as resolving as Kate would be, but who knows, maybe we get Roxy and Wiml off this list.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:25 pm Oh that thing I was going to say closer to EoD.

Was just going to make note of the fact that Lime Coke left some pretty bad spew in Cyberpunk that let me correctly narrow down the last wolf as a spectator to exactly Wilgy without reading the game in great detail.

Spew reads from a D1 flipped wolf are something to be very, very cautious of as misclears there are often the cause of lost games but I think for Lime in particular spending a bit of time looking at how he approached people early on and how others approached him might benefit us. Just take clearing people on spew alone with a pinch of salt (especially later on).

Just stuff I wanted to out this in case we flip Lime and he's wolfing + I die.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:26 pm [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine

For fun.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm Wilgy might be one of my top town reads all of a sudden. I just thoroughly buy his hunt as real.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:31 pm A silly gamestate is 9 times out of 10 a pro T gamestate. See champs 2023 game 1 d1. We went full silly.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:35 pm A lot of my legacy is just under the assumption that we flip Lime Coke and he flips wolf which is the most likely scenario where I die.

Kate is the most likely wolf, followed by Epi/Quin followed a large gap then Wilgy and Abigail.

Falcon's almost always town. Michelle/JJJ very likely to be town but scrutinise if alive for too long. Roxy probably also just a villager but without quite the same level of confidence.

If we don't flip Lime then my legacy is that he's a wolf.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:55 pm GTH legacy 2/2 would be Lime Coke / Kate

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:55 pm Anyway, fingers crossed this flips wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:56 pm I can't even poke at Wiml's desire for a safe EoD anymore Sadness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:41 pm If Lime Coke is mafia:

Kate is my top suspect. Epignosis will have to answer for failing to address Lime Coke at all. Quin is also fishy. Kate > Epi = Quin would be my top three.

If Lime Coke is town:

The game is in legitimate jeopardy. Hold everyone's butt to the fire and play hard enough to give town a chance. Mountainous is rarely easy, and I expect a difficult game ahead if this comes to pass. You can still trust some of your initial intuitions and judgments, but be sure to really think through things, talk to each other, and make decisions as a team to the best of your ability. Don't splinter and play in your own bubbles.

If Lime Coke is not eliminated:

He should have been.

If Lime Coke is town, I do think Wiml/Roxy becomes very real within the PoE, but I'd still like to see some Kate resolution. I think Kate is a perfectly valid LC teammate, but I think the only ones who aren't compatible are like Falc/Wiml/Jay/Rox.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?

It's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.

I just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:56 pm If Lime Coke is town, I do think Wiml/Roxy becomes very real within the PoE, but I'd still like to see some Kate resolution. I think Kate is a perfectly valid LC teammate, but I think the only ones who aren't compatible are like Falc/Wiml/Jay/Rox.

If the scenario comes to pass, you should certainly explore that possibility. At least ask the questions and have the conversation, and hold others accountable to participate in it.

Aye, but figured I should point it out before EoD. Who knows, maybe they'll kill me n1 (wouldn't that be somethin?)?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:59 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?

It's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.

I just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.

Good morning Kate! I hope the crap lightens up!

I think I quoted too many posts but Wilgy is not a wolf from his Eod 1.

Agree but likely for different reasons to you. Mind giving a short explanation?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:07 pm careful to give me too much credit there Jay. Half my posts are about fettuccini.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:45 pm you all deserve to lose and if i make into F3 I'll fucking vote myself again to make sure we lose

so go ahead and fucking mislynch me now because I'm not in the mood for playing this bullshit any further

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:43 pm of course i come back to being thrown shade and talked shit behind my back in the thread

glad to see that you're willing to interact with him but not with me

[VOTE: ExLight] aubergine
do whatever you want on F3 I'm tired of trying to play with people that are just gonna treat me like this

if you want to solve my slot do the fucking iso already instead of wasting time with pretending you know neon better than me

not gonna be around for EoD, going home earlier because today is dogshit in every possible and the sooner I go to bed the better

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:31 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:28 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:24 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 am I already said I think Brad didn't talk with/about his mate at all.
When Wiml (iirc) said that Brad's Iso was easy to analyze for spew he probably realised while he was pushed very vocal by Falcon, Wiml and Jay, that his chop is certain and it's better to not post more.

Roxy was present in the game but not very much, she was not really suspected, and her solve let the Poe opened to any outcome.

I think they fit together as w/w

ExLight, I skimmed your post but I wanted to read myself her Iso before looking in detail at your conclusions.

I agree with this but I wouldn't clear Brad/Kate since iirc Brad only mentioned Kate a single time in passing.

However, I would probably consider Brad townreading Kate so quickly to be a very mild point in Ex's favour.

Kate was TR by Jay and me at the time, not hard but still we agreed she sounds villagery, so Brad came with the flow of our reads and put her as villager. Probably.

That's probably true but Brad loves to townread his partners when he can get away with doing so.

If Kate was already townread when Brad made that post (haven't factchecked this) then I am pretty sure he would have put a townread on Kate as w/w.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:21 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:21 am We have one more day, isn't it?

8 hours

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 am ExLight, I skimmed your post but I wanted to read myself her Iso before looking in detail at your conclusions.

You're good. I'm mad at Wiml microblogging his volatile thoughts and ignoring anything I say, not you.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:24 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 am I already said I think Brad didn't talk with/about his mate at all.
When Wiml (iirc) said that Brad's Iso was easy to analyze for spew he probably realised while he was pushed very vocal by Falcon, Wiml and Jay, that his chop is certain and it's better to not post more.

Roxy was present in the game but not very much, she was not really suspected, and her solve let the Poe opened to any outcome.

I think they fit together as w/w

ExLight, I skimmed your post but I wanted to read myself her Iso before looking in detail at your conclusions.

I agree with this but I wouldn't clear Brad/Kate since iirc Brad only mentioned Kate a single time in passing.

However, I would probably consider Brad townreading Kate so quickly to be a very mild point in Ex's favour.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:09 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:24 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:02 pm @DrWilgy please remember that I'm on mobile and can't respond to very last minute vote switches like yesterday lol.

But I can, and it's fun!

I am sorry for the crap post but this is funny and is Wigly in their finest form.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:21 am Wait I was using a Wilgy town game for his wolf meta.

I'm fucked.