The Syndicate

I read the posts and I know I played a few games where players here just gave up as townies. Not this year because I played just a game here but in the last 2 years I noticed people try here more when they rand wolf.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:28 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:19 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.
On the lime indeed
I couldn’t ping you with my question (i don't think I have the stars on phone) and I didn't notice your answer

Why do you town read me now?
I thought a lot about your pov over night and generally understand where you were coming from even if I don't agree with it I feel like it's just more likely to come from a towny frustrated by a push that makes no sense to them than a wolf.

I tried to like do JJJs exercise more in depth and tried to understand you better and it worked.

I wasn't frustrated by the push though. I don't get where this idea comes from.
Why you say your push didn't make sense to me? I explained my Pov more than once.
Your push if you are a wolf makes sense but when you noticed you can't in fact push me you made a step back and that also makes sense from a wolf.

If you are town the push is a wrong understanding of the concept of first wagon of 3 players contains a wolf, either the player voted or in the voters.

I think if Quin flips town you have high scum equity.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:56 am @Lime Coke do you have an initial impression of Wiml?
Neutral currently since I'm sort of afraid of reading him after failing twice spectating his Champs games.

This is aligned with his last vote.

dinner time bbl

Sorry I didn't quote the post, but it's too big already

That's a PoV we'll check first by flipping Quin

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:50 pm @Michelle Where's your head at currently with who's in your PoE?

I'm down to chat with you about it if we differ.

It's hard to tell. I didn't finish yet Brad's Iso.
I don't want to guess here.

Who is not in the Poe from what I think, it's Epi.
Falcon was killed overnight and looked probably spewed town from the other's wolf perspective and I need to reread his Iso as well to check his suspicions. I remember he was cautious about Jay and I don't like how Jay's Poe it's only low posters.

I don't know how much Brad's wolf play changed and Idk if he would interact more or less with his mate here. He has little interactions with everyone except Jay and you.

Can you link me his wolf game he had here you were talking about?

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:47 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:22 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:26 am Whom I THINK can be a wolf is...

....

....

THIS GUY!!!

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'd love to hear more about that.
Doesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.
I have a question here.
If Brad îs mafia with Quin why was he accusing Falcon for suspecting Epi for the Quin vote (interaction Falcon/Epi in spoiler)?
It's like 'Why you question Epi for voting my partner' and seems illogical from my PoV.
Because he should push Quin, distance, etc, and that didn't happen. Instead he was voting Wiml
Spoiler: show

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:29 pm I'm voting for [VOTE: Quin] aubergine.

Why?

If you want them to get engaged, wouldn't it help to tag them?
Is that what I'm doing?

Oh dear. I didn't realize.

I don't know what you're doing.

That's why I asked.
So being the above I wouldn't be surprised if Quin flips villager because what is the easiest for a wolf to do is to see and speculate villagers' mistakes from TMI position.
Falcon pushing Epi for a vote on a villager makes more sense than Falcon pushing Epi for a vote on a wolf.

I try to understand why would Quin give up as villager (because his last post looks like giving up)
And why would he give up as mafia?
The Syndicate has a history of not caring villagers I witnesed in past games and Quin is one of the veteran Syndicalists.

Feels too easy.
Sometimes it is just so easy though, idk.

I try to focus but it's hard, this summer day came with 40 degrees celsius and we evaded at country side, where is still 33 degrees but we can breathe. Tomorrow we are back home
By the point that Brad voted me he was already considered to be in antispew and it's hard to see a vote on Quin or any other potential partner of his (besides Abigail) having a significant impact on how townread they were after he flipped. At best, it would probably have been discarded as WIFOM from an already outed wolf.

I'm not sure if they've given up or not but Quin has an obvious reason to not have much WIM as mafia (there's almost no possibility of them winning the game as a wolf atp, the discussion is more about when we hammer Quin instead of if we hammer Quin and they would somehow need to scrape four miselims to win).

I understand that. There's a big distance though between Brad's vote on Falcon and the vote on you. He could do something to fight unless he has a mate who is town cored and he didn't want to put them in any danger.

That's my fear, that the eseist chop is not the one, and I am willing to debate the Quin is villager route regardless the fact that today we have to clear the Poe by voting him out.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:19 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.
On the lime indeed

I couldn’t ping you with my question (i don't think I have the stars on phone) and I didn't notice your answer

Why do you town read me now?

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:59 am Smh you really made me put my dignity on the Lime that EoD.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:26 am Whom I THINK can be a wolf is...

....

....

THIS GUY!!!

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'd love to hear more about that.
Doesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.

I have a question here.
If Brad îs mafia with Quin why was he accusing Falcon for suspecting Epi for the Quin vote (interaction Falcon/Epi in spoiler)?
It's like 'Why you question Epi for voting my partner' and seems illogical from my PoV.
Because he should push Quin, distance, etc, and that didn't happen. Instead he was voting Wiml

Spoiler: show

So being the above I wouldn't be surprised if Quin flips villager because what is the easiest for a wolf to do is to see and speculate villagers' mistakes from TMI position.
Falcon pushing Epi for a vote on a villager makes more sense than Falcon pushing Epi for a vote on a wolf.

I try to understand why would Quin give up as villager (because his last post looks like giving up)
And why would he give up as mafia?
The Syndicate has a history of not caring villagers I witnesed in past games and Quin is one of the veteran Syndicalists.

Feels too easy.
Sometimes it is just so easy though, idk.

I try to focus but it's hard, this summer day came with 40 degrees celsius and we evaded at country side, where is still 33 degrees but we can breathe. Tomorrow we are back home

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am JJJ probably town this game the dude feels way different from his mafia game solve wise.

Michelle I'm actually leaning town on a tad bit.

Annnnd can toss a townlean on Kate and Abigail.

I know his read on me is exactly like he did it when he was town last game. That was ok-ish from my Pov at the time of the post and now because it's not a solid read I don't think it clears me like Brad used TMI.
In this playerlist Brad is the player I played the most with and he is my friend, I don't like to mischop him ever so I wanted to give him space, poked him to play but his silence was damning.

But

He gave an easy TR to Jay. Everyone who saw how gracefully Jay is wolfing can't give him a GTH town read for meta like that so that is a TMI take.

The TRs on Kate and Abigail look like pure TMI as well.

Thinking at these at Wifom will be a sane thing to do if Quin flips town and none of these clear anyone.

I think Brad played in antispew anyway but that doesn’t mean I don't want to analize his posts during the day when I have time to post

Good morning, I read until Jay's walls but I don't have much time before work today to read them through.

I looked only at some tl;drs and I saw Quin is a consensus for today.

Waiting for him to post and also after work I have to go outside town so my time is short all day.

I have one curiosity @Abigail why the change of heart?

I waited to see who's the NK.

RIP Falcon, he became IC and couldn’t live

I've been thinking a lot at Brad's antispew attitude. I will talk about it in the morning.

About Eod, I woke up one hour after the day ended... I enjoyed the flip!

It's late for me and I have to sleep.
If I can wake up in one hour I will be here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:37 pm If I was mafia I would have zero posts. You can trust me.

I don't TR the highest posters because they post a lot, btw

If this game wouldn't have just 2 mafia I would say the current wagons are too frozen to be a hit and that the wolves are happy with the gamestate.
But as long as both top wagons are in a consensus Poe I don't think that idea is valid

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:18 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:08 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:40 pm Interested in hearing from anybody who has a strong read on Wilgy / Epi / Quin, particularly if you think that they're villagers.

They're players who I don't know very well and all tend to fall into the category of "has towny moments but nothing conclusive".
I think Epi is town. It's not like he is out of his scum range or I have a big experience playing with him, but I liked his tone and solve.

Wilgy is relaxed and his jokes are funny - I tend to give town reads for players with good sense of humor. Also I liked his focus on Quin's vote and the way he talked about it

Quin is fluid in votes and reads, things I consider to be villagery. I don't remember meta, last time we were wolves together and I remember he was more stiff.
Alright, thank you. For reference, how would you order those reads in terms of confidence?

Epi>Wilgy>Quin

Wiml your talkative mood is contagious, I forgot I promised to myself to be low poster

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:40 pm Interested in hearing from anybody who has a strong read on Wilgy / Epi / Quin, particularly if you think that they're villagers.

They're players who I don't know very well and all tend to fall into the category of "has towny moments but nothing conclusive".

I think Epi is town. It's not like he is out of his scum range or I have a big experience playing with him, but I liked his tone and solve.

Wilgy is relaxed and his jokes are funny - I tend to give town reads for players with good sense of humor. Also I liked his focus on Quin's vote and the way he talked about it

Quin is fluid in votes and reads, things I consider to be villagery. I don't remember meta, last time we were wolves together and I remember he was more stiff.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:09 pm
Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:12 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:06 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am Jay, I think the way she is self content for posting town reads and tries to present herself as solvy is not towny

It was implied when i said mafia prefer to post town reads to not argue with the townies they are pushing that she is mafia for doing that.

If you noticed she didn't say I am a wolf for suspecting her, she said I played wolfy or something.
Again I can prove that this is how I play the game AS TOWN if you would like
Look, the way you tell me I saw you playing has the reverse. You saw me playing as well. You saw me being right and also wrong.
You know my play is unusual and my suspicions are often poor explained (coming from weak english skills), but also I always push what I consider wolfy behaviour. You can't just say I have bad faith in my push when I talk about it since so long.

I asked you questions. I waited for answers but I didn't receive things who could show me you have genuine thoughts regarding your suspicion on me. The fact you don't make scum cases in general has little importance for me.

You want me to believe you because you say so.
Sorry, I can't.
Yes, my vote is on you regardless the fact you posted because you don't gave me a reason to change my mind and I explained why.

We seem to talk past each other but I am sure I answered at your posts while you mostly AtEd and provided self meta.

If you are town, you have to show it in other way than self voting when the wagons are tied.

Self voting is bad regardless alignament.

The first condition for town is to find scum, not to suicide to prove wrong some people.
The second is to show themselves towny in thoughts and behaviour.
If a townie fails in these both aspects that doesn't mean their life is meaningless and they should die.
A game is won by town by teamwork more than by individual performance. And another force of town is in numbers. Keep town number respecting your own TMI on your alignment even if no one believes you and self press because you never know for sure the alignment of your cw.

If you are town, make me see it.

I disagree with a lot of your method.

The first priority for me as town is to find town
Than I want to get the rest of town to see what I see so that my town reads are safe
Than I want town to find me if they can.
If they can't I will willingly sacrifice myself if I have provided town with a winning town core than I've still done my job
Often town performance is better when I commit die.

You didn't answer, you accused me saying we played before so I should town read you. I can say the same.

The playstyle difference is not AI and about self voting you can't convince me is useful.

I reached a moment when I really need the flip of one of the 2 wagons.

Idk if I posted, Quin gave me the impression of villagery intent, so I will add him to my villagers.

I hoped Brad can pop up and say useful things for the game. Didn't happen, so wolf equity is increasing.

Re: [D1] Cool Bug Mafia This one falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:48 pm

This one

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 7:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:04 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:26 pm Falcon is town, Wiml feels good

I can sleep, I have a town core

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:16 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pm Hi everyone, I waited for this game to start with so much joy and excitement!
Maybe because of the bugs, or because the playerslist is so cool, I let you guess!

Let's have a fun game
Good to play with you again Michelle.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pmLinki: we don't murder people in cold blood, sir, we analyze facts and eliminate the suspects
Well exactly two of us murder in cold blood, unless of course we want to argue that the civilians are the bad guys for killing someone first. We can disregard the moral implications of our actions though. Everything we do here is for the greater good.
Thanks, likewise!

There's no bad guy in this game, only good guys who received a villain role!

I don't feel I've done anything to merit a townread

What are you seeing that I'm not?
I saw you shouting I AM TOWN!
Reminded me of the vocaroo game and felt warm

Talk to me more about Vocaroo Maf...IIRC you were not in that game

I listened more than 90% of it - skipped some records of Mac's voice where I couldn’t get anything but I liked the concept and I would play the next one of I have time.
Epi's songs were the highlight of the game.

@Lime Coke you are top wagon where is your head at?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:06 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am Jay, I think the way she is self content for posting town reads and tries to present herself as solvy is not towny

It was implied when i said mafia prefer to post town reads to not argue with the townies they are pushing that she is mafia for doing that.

If you noticed she didn't say I am a wolf for suspecting her, she said I played wolfy or something.
Again I can prove that this is how I play the game AS TOWN if you would like

Look, the way you tell me I saw you playing has the reverse. You saw me playing as well. You saw me being right and also wrong.
You know my play is unusual and my suspicions are often poor explained (coming from weak english skills), but also I always push what I consider wolfy behaviour. You can't just say I have bad faith in my push when I talk about it since so long.

I asked you questions. I waited for answers but I didn't receive things who could show me you have genuine thoughts regarding your suspicion on me. The fact you don't make scum cases in general has little importance for me.

You want me to believe you because you say so.
Sorry, I can't.
Yes, my vote is on you regardless the fact you posted because you don't gave me a reason to change my mind and I explained why.

We seem to talk past each other but I am sure I answered at your posts while you mostly AtEd and provided self meta.

If you are town, you have to show it in other way than self voting when the wagons are tied.

Self voting is bad regardless alignament.

The first condition for town is to find scum, not to suicide to prove wrong some people.
The second is to show themselves towny in thoughts and behaviour.
If a townie fails in these both aspects that doesn't mean their life is meaningless and they should die.
A game is won by town by teamwork more than by individual performance. And another force of town is in numbers. Keep town number respecting your own TMI on your alignment even if no one believes you and self press because you never know for sure the alignment of your cw.

If you are town, make me see it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:37 am My god my posts are boring. I'm going to put myself to sleep.

I never had that impression. Playing with you is always fun

Jay, I think the way she is self content for posting town reads and tries to present herself as solvy is not towny

It was implied when i said mafia prefer to post town reads to not argue with the townies they are pushing that she is mafia for doing that.

If you noticed she didn't say I am a wolf for suspecting her, she said I played wolfy or something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:06 am IF Lime Coke is eliminated and flips mafia, here's how I feel about associations:

~~~

Most likely
Kate > Epignosis

~~~
To expand on these impressions:

They're voting for Lime Coke's counterwagon (Abigail), and I don't believe either of them has displayed much interest in seeing the town case for Abigail. They've both also essentially ignored LC's existence so far. I think Kate is more egregious.

Town case Abigail for me please

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:16 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:13 am Jay how you consider the fact Abigail voted Brad only after I said they're w/w wagons in a world where Brad flips mafia?
Of course if he flips town the question is pointless.
I don't think it means much either way. At this point in time they are counterwagons, and either version of Abigail is justified to vote for the counterwagon. I don't view the timing (with respect to your theory in particular) as especially important. I wouldn't clear her for it, and I wouldn't throw her in jail for it either.

Thanks for the answer, anyway if Brad comes back I think he will self press as well and the wagons will be tied again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:10 am @☆Princess Abigail☆ and @Michelle, I am generally leaving each of you to carry out your conversation. However, I think I might be able to help mediate some miscommunication or holes in the conversation, so say the word if you'd like for me to do that. I may do it on my own if I feel it's necessary, but for now I will just leave that offer on the table.

I would like your honest opinion.

If you think she ever made a clear stance about why is she suspecting me please show me where because I didn't find it.

Lack of wolf reads from her is a problem for me, for a wolf is easy to make town reads but they have a problem in pushing villagers directly because most of villagers are sensitive at such pushes and react back.

Jay how you consider the fact Abigail voted Brad only after I said they're w/w wagons in a world where Brad flips mafia?
Of course if he flips town the question is pointless.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:34 am But you simply do not care about me.

You do not care about how I play

You do not care about what I do

You've already decided my alignment.

I don't know what gives you that impression.

You know, any wolf can add town reads to their reads because they have TMI and they know their reads are correct. Put a good progression on it and those townies will be impressed and not vote you.

You voiced suspicion on me and you don't explain it and have no intention to do so from what I understand.

Why do you think I have to accept self meta on you?

You claim I don't want to reconsider my read but you don't give me anything in fact to help me understand if I am wrong.

Answer me please

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:03 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:02 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:01 am Nothing I do matters
What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?
Well you know genuine solving.

Expression of thoughts.

Being squarely in my town meta and being town.

Doing more than 60% of this game.

You can't express your read on me without generic mafia terms who can be posted in any game for any suspect you want to push.

I don't base a read on your self meta, I already said I know you have genuine tone as wolf and i know you try to mimic your town game.

If you do 60% then Jay is doing 20%, Wiml has probably 8%, Falcon has 3.78%, Kate 2.5%, Epi 2.5%, Wilgy 1.22%, Quin 1%, and I hope I did the rest of 1%?

Now really, isn't that a strech?

I am not a fan of making walls but I do them regardless but I hate unspoilered big posts because I have to scroll on phone too much.
Add some gifs and I scroll even more.

If you can spoiler them you receive thanks for being friendly with phone posters

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:01 am Nothing I do matters

What have you done in your opinion and I should notice and change my read?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:46 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:42 am It feels like we have w/w wagons
Very plausible, although I would at this rate have a strong preference for flipping Lime Coke.

I am not against it if Brad keeps avoiding the game thread

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:56 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:43 pm My first instinct with Epi/Abigail is that they don't fit together. Epignosis has a long history of avoiding bussing, especially if it is unnecessary (and I don't believe Abigail had received votes until he showed up if I recall correctly). I welcome discussion on that, because it is the only thing Epi has done to this point apart from a blind Quin vote.
Fwiw I don't know the game but I'm under the impression that the two were w/w in a recent game on this site.

Busssing or not bussing depends on mafia strategy so I wouldn't base a solid read on that.
Mafia will try to do something town don't expect regarding meta - at least that's my game experience.

I will be at work until late today but I will keep an eye on the game and answer at any questions when I have a work break

VC

Spoiler: show

It feels like we have w/w wagons

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:37 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:36 am Lime Coke dipping after getting pushed, not caring to solve and only coming back for a lolcat-style post gives me a good idea about his alignment atp.
same impression

Yes, sadly, for me as well.

Looking at Quin's posts I can't make a read based on them but also I don't feel the need to vote him today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:47 pm You're implying if Abigail flips town we have to flip Kate?
No. I'm saying that if people believe the dichotomy between the two is valid, then they shouldn't be alive together in the final phases of the game -- folks would be forced to make a choice that'd be similar to guessing.

The dichotomy may also be invalid. I hope folks will discuss that.

Ok

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:50 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:41 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:38 pm
Spoiler: show
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:27 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:38 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:35 am

He'll probably post.

Like this.

Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?
Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.
Yah I am playing mafia too I do not need that.

What is wolfy behavior that you see in this post?
Who in the post you quoted is wolfy?
Why are they wolfy?
Don't need what exactly not sure what you don't need. I responded to something I didn't like.

It was the second pockety ass last towards anyone and everyone who expressed a scum read on me a towny so yeah that's kinda wolfy fmpov as a town who's getting pushed weakly for something I do literally every game on other sites with great success.

Now that's kinda whatever omgus I get it I get all defensive over people voting me early to but what I don't do is go around uwuing anyone who 180s their read for weak reasons

This is a total word salad and I don't consider it an explanation for the read or reasons for finding me wolfy

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:42 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.
I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc

Are you implying Falcon is town because he is thread spewed?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:36 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:28 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?
Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...
How did you read that content for Michelle and Roxy?
I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy

No, your stance are far from being clear, can you restate your reasons?

Good morning!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Why on earth you put yourself there?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
You know I'm very tempted to have you guys lynch me just so I could prove definitively that intuition is better than stats.

Don't be so tempted if you are a villager.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:45 pm POE something like:

Abigail OR Kate
Lime Coke
DrWilgy
Quin
Epignosis

That's still technically five names if two of them are mutually exclusive, but it implies that both should not be allowed to survive long together. If that dichotomy is viewed as legitimate by the field, then it's wise to resolve it sooner than later. I forget which one, but this was a grave mistake made in one of the champs games this year.

You're implying if Abigail flips town we have to flip Kate?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?
I personally think of you as a Medium Rare Steak Dinner with a side of Fondant Potatoes

This sounds like town Wilgy. I always linked sense of humour with villageriness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:56 pm Definitive proof that Kate is A WOLF.

O.o

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:57 pm I used to be scared as shit to post, as either alignment. Once I got passed that and decided it's just a game,, I got a lot better and had a lot more fun.

Once upon a time I didn't know what to post as well. :highfive:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:58 pm I'm always scared to post

I never noticed that...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:27 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:27 am I think I understand how Epignosis is playing so far, and if so that's a good thing for him. I don't want to expand on that yet.
No need to. I think I get it.

I have ten posts, including the one I just made. I feel like I'm not playing.

I think I explained my view. In this setup both wolves have to be active.
Of course Jay had another thought and we didn't really mindmeld there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:23 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:39 am JJJ being a wolf is probably the worst possible gamestate for us rn so putting current and future effort into solving him is a good idea.
I'm buying JJJ as good here. There is a palpable sense of "Hot damn, I'm not mafia this time." Being bad is more work. It just is.

But should he fake a red check on you, I'll get him for ya.

He almost did it when he said I have a different check with Wiml.

And I have to sleep...

VC

Spoiler: show

I know Jay didn't ask me about reads. But I will try to make my own list, mainly for myself, to see where I land if I have to voice an opinion about everyone

☆Princess Abigail☆ - I am not convinced about her play, she accused me of omgus and her self claimed towniness is not supported in reads and solving intent

DrWilgy - needs to take care of himself. I don't think his posts are really AI. Not today's chop anyway.

Epignosis - I think he is town. I don't think wolf Epi lets his mate alone to play in a mountainous. Also I like his vote, I have to admit.

falcon45ca - refused a free and easy town read and has fluid reads like he wants to really solve, not to fake a solve.

JaggedJimmyJay - the mastermind manipulator if wolf or top town, it's TBD.

Kate - Kate seems fresh and honest in her takes, probably town

Lime Coke - I am not surprised about his read on me because he usually can get my alignament right. I need more from him and I don't think wolf Brad would attack Falcon like that. Seems like an easy push rn.

Michelle - town

Quin - inactive. Can go either way.

Roxy - if I have to find a word for her, that would be solvy. I liked the reaction to the meta reads, I think we have similar opinion about meta.

Wiml - extremely talkative and an easy poster, Brad's joke about the fear of wolf Wiml speaks for his wolfing skills. However I am ok with calling him above suspicion for now.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:22 pm I'm very interested in opinions on Roxy from people who have experience playing with her.

We played but I can't say I can describe meta.

I feel good about the content she posted until now, treating her like a new player for me but experienced in mafia and skilled as both alignments.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:38 pm
Spoiler: show

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:27 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:38 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:34 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.
Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.
He'll probably post.

Like this.

Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?

Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.

What's the wolfy behaviour you noticed?

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