The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:15 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:12 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:06 am Oh, Role targets,

how do you know they were boring and NAI? Do you know my role? This seems like a perspective slip to me
Assuming things before knowing what I meant and I talked yday about it as well
Do you even care?
In the grand scheme of things? No its just a game.
In the scale of this game? Sure. But Its still a game and I am going to have fun. Plus you are reacting which I am enjoying

So sweet of you

Enjoy silence, I go back read.

Nook is scum because he avoided me until I voiced a suspicion on him and then he jumped with Omgus, he has zero impact on the game and town Nook regardless post count is a force, and that's only the logical part, for a solid case based on posts you have to wait

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:14 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:11 am You are ready to lose the game for a vanity read.

You think you played a solid town game? You have infos and shared them but your play was weak all game
Why Jack died and you are alive?
Jack said he can prove himself, but if you are town you live because you have a wrong perception and you push in the wrong direction, like when you voted Mac after Sean died
lol this is bad. Ive already said this. There was no world where I was actually voting Mac out. There was only the chance people think I actually think he was bad and keep him around for me to push later.

The moment you did it was the worst possible

Giving mixed signals to town is not helpful. Mac couldn't be kept alive, he became a deadly force against scum already

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:12 am Vanity read? Arent all reads vanity reads?

No. I have a solid reason to suspect Nook.

You just throw mud at the wall

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:06 am Oh, Role targets,

how do you know they were boring and NAI? Do you know my role? This seems like a perspective slip to me

Assuming things before knowing what I meant and I talked yday about it as well
Do you even care?

You are ready to lose the game for a vanity read.

You think you played a solid town game? You have infos and shared them but your play was weak all game
Why Jack died and you are alive?
Jack said he can prove himself, but if you are town you live because you have a wrong perception and you push in the wrong direction, like when you voted Mac after Sean died

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:05 amRTz?

Reaction test, like when you asked what Ender would read me

That was totally meaningless

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:03 am [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

You didn't deserve my attention, I will go read some Isos

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:57 am boing? NAI? ME? From you doing nothing all game and just coasting in the mid range. I know michelle can obv town themselves. You have chosen not to

I have a life and I am busy.
I wasn't coasting. I played as much as I could.

Your never explained what was with the RTz and what's the conclusion and thinking process

Also if JD can switch between sins, and the former shell dies, doesn't this mean it was Epi JD yday?
I don't know if Epi was in such dangee to make the jump.

Also he is one of the top tier players, he could endgame as JD, I think this theory doesn't hold water.

And it doesn't add up if you put together all the roles. JD is a distinctive player

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:45 am So in the Nook vs Michelle fight I am likely picking Michelle

If you wanna pick town, i agree you should pick me

Your RTs were boring and NAI, where this suspicion comes from?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:35 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:32 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:30 am Seanzie had a chat with Kate, Kate was sold that Seanzie was sin, kate said SVS is likely not sin, Kate is inscentivised to tell other sins who other sins are and are not. Seanzie flipped green. why would he lie? Kate is the best SVS reader that I know
Kate was a sin, would she tell the truth about SVS?
You're asking the wrong question.

Why would she lie to another Sin? She throught Seanzie was a sin.

Conclusion is, sins don't know each other.
I can accept that Kate gave a honest read for SVS. But it's just a read. I don't remember if Svs suspected Kate, because I presume also Svs can read Kate well

Michelle
1
14%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Nanook voted me just in the poll.

I know he said yday he will vote me, but he doesn't have any explanation for his sudden urge to kill me.

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

Come talk to me if you are town, if not do whatever you want @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:30 am Seanzie had a chat with Kate, Kate was sold that Seanzie was sin, kate said SVS is likely not sin, Kate is inscentivised to tell other sins who other sins are and are not. Seanzie flipped green. why would he lie? Kate is the best SVS reader that I know

Kate was a sin, would she tell the truth about SVS?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:09 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:07 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:14 pm ok so SVS + Wilgy + Me + ? + ? fmpov

Mata? Thunal?
Why Svs?
why not?

My own impression is that she can be a sin. That's because she put me low in reads but I disliked the reason. Too much meta in it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:32 pm DrWilgy - Town
Dubz - Sin(John Doe?)
falcon45ca - Sin
Matahari - Town
Michelle - Town(John Doe?)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Sin
RondoDimBuckle - Town
S~V~S - Town
Thunal33 - Sin

What do people think about this?

I want details about SVS.
Why do you tinfoil me?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:40 pm Second, whomever blocked me last night, youre a salty bitch

I didn't, but I appreciate the epithet so I wish I did it.
Why salty though?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:14 pm ok so SVS + Wilgy + Me + ? + ? fmpov

Mata? Thunal?

Why Svs?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:57 pm Nook or ANYONE if you could kill someone right now who would it be?

Probably Nook in this moment

What's your Poe Nook?

5 mins...

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:54 pm Intent to park on Michelle tomorrow

Bring it on Nook!

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:51 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:48 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 pm I am here, at work
Great!
What was the purpose to ask me about Ender's read? Do you have any conclusion?
who would you have yeeted instead of Dennis?

Always the outed scum goes first
But the wagon don't need my vote so I wemt with my second choice

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:48 pmMe too

Do you want to share anything?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:45 pm I am here, at work

Great!
What was the purpose to ask me about Ender's read? Do you have any conclusion?

No one is here

Dennis 9 DrWilgy, S~V~S, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Epignosis, Matahari, Roxy, RondoDimBuckle

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2 Dubz, Michelle

RondoDimBuckle 1 falcon45ca

S~V~S 1 MacDougall

VC

Spoiler: show

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:37 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:42 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm I have questions. Bear in mind, that I’m an ancient and come from the school of looking for evidence, as solving, rather than just throwing out suspicions willynilly and be accepted as town because of that.

@Epignosis you suggested the first night kill may have been redirection. I’m not sure how you arrived at that, or if it was just a suggestion, like a possibility in a role madness game. Can you clear that up?

@MacDougall I don’t know where to start. I tend to believe you are JD. After outing yourself, it’s logical that JD would want you gone, but you weren’t nk’d. When Seanzie said he was going to check you, you were trying very hard to change his mind. Then Seanzie dies.
Maybe you’re being framed idk. John Doe is supposed to gain mafia partners, but maybe John Doe is supposed to kill the sins, just like in the movie. He’s a lone serial killer who believes he is smarter than everyone else, so I could see that happening. When you said that you tracked Kate, maybe you ‘stalked’ Kate. In other words, maybe you’re just claiming to be a town tracker, but you’re an SK who stalks on odd nights. Idk. Or maybe JD is not supposed to kill the sins, and when you said you tracked Kate to Dennis, you didn’t think about someone else popping up with more info, like Seanzie did, so you had to sacrifice a potential partner.
Or maybe I just don’t trust players who lead the thread, thinking of Golden in the anniversary game here as a great example. I’m trying to be rid of preconceived inclinations, and trying to balance circumstantial evidence with a lot of maybes. It’s overwhelming in role madness games to try and feel sure of anything. But for now, I can’t help feeling you’re the big bad.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't find this post intriguing

@pretty much anyone, what was the sequence of events with the Kate/Dennis outting? Did Mac bring up the tracking before or after Sean outted Kate?
The best question itg
@Thunal33 do you know the answer?
Mac outed the track before Sean outed his BTSC stuff.

Cool!
My tinfoil goes to recycke bin!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:20 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.
Wilgy: Just much more quiet than I expect of him. He isn't even licking or anything at all. I felt Wilgy early on, I'm not feeling him anymore. He feels different to me than he did Day 1, and in a game where people change alignment, people who feel different will get my eye.

Falcon: He's posting but I haven't seen anything reads like from him since Day 1 as well. He's poked at Mata a bit, and he DOES have more posts than her, but she has more to say. As I said this AM, Zenon thought he sounded towny on Day 1. But it is Day 3, and I don't particularly think he does anymore. Again, in a game with changing alignments, this matters.

Mata: TBH, she DOES feel the same to me as she has all game. Maybe sin and unrecruited? She doesn't say much and when she does not very solvey.

Michelle: Early on, it felt to me like Michelle was poking people in a way that seemed a bit slick, since then most of her posts that I have seen have been poll posts etc., as she did in the Anniversary game, but to be fair, I haven't indepth read her since Day One. Also feels different to me, but in a better way. She is mainly here becasue I don't know what I think of her, and that is the function of the POE, right?

GTH if I had to vote one of these now, it would be Mata.

Posting VCs is Nai for me. I dislike the fact Syndicate doesn't have a votes track and counts.

Also good morning!

Roxy i don't care about self meta, i explained my suspicion on Nanook in that post

Also if you don't solve the low posters and you kill them all at one moment you don't have enough mischops if you're wrong about them.

I prefer to give time to people who warm up later in a game.
Wilgy is one of them. Matahari seems focused on solving. Do you think i am pocketed by them?

What do you think about my tinfoils?
@Roxy

Yes, it's positive, tnx Wilgy

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm I have questions. Bear in mind, that I’m an ancient and come from the school of looking for evidence, as solving, rather than just throwing out suspicions willynilly and be accepted as town because of that.

@Epignosis you suggested the first night kill may have been redirection. I’m not sure how you arrived at that, or if it was just a suggestion, like a possibility in a role madness game. Can you clear that up?

@MacDougall I don’t know where to start. I tend to believe you are JD. After outing yourself, it’s logical that JD would want you gone, but you weren’t nk’d. When Seanzie said he was going to check you, you were trying very hard to change his mind. Then Seanzie dies.
Maybe you’re being framed idk. John Doe is supposed to gain mafia partners, but maybe John Doe is supposed to kill the sins, just like in the movie. He’s a lone serial killer who believes he is smarter than everyone else, so I could see that happening. When you said that you tracked Kate, maybe you ‘stalked’ Kate. In other words, maybe you’re just claiming to be a town tracker, but you’re an SK who stalks on odd nights. Idk. Or maybe JD is not supposed to kill the sins, and when you said you tracked Kate to Dennis, you didn’t think about someone else popping up with more info, like Seanzie did, so you had to sacrifice a potential partner.
Or maybe I just don’t trust players who lead the thread, thinking of Golden in the anniversary game here as a great example. I’m trying to be rid of preconceived inclinations, and trying to balance circumstantial evidence with a lot of maybes. It’s overwhelming in role madness games to try and feel sure of anything. But for now, I can’t help feeling you’re the big bad.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't find this post intriguing

@pretty much anyone, what was the sequence of events with the Kate/Dennis outting? Did Mac bring up the tracking before or after Sean outted Kate?

The best question itg
@Thunal33 do you know the answer?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:16 pm 8 vs 6 (ish)

Jack
Mac
Rondo
Thunal

Roxy
Falcon

Dubz
Mata
SVS
Epi

Michelle
Wilgy
Nook - mac says give him another chance

Dennis - mechanically outted

Explain the Poe pls
Don't come at me with meta, we played last time long ago

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:31 pm @Michelle can you walk me through what changed your mind on Mac from strong scum read to tinfoilable/not where you want to go today?

His claim.
Mac is competent scum, there wasn't a real need to expose Kate and Dennis in one move, he could do something else for town credit.

Tinfoil comes from the fact he saved himself with that move, and that means survivalism.
In a vacuum that's NAI, a good player have to be alive to win as either alignament, but in this game if he is John Doe if he dies it's a blatant loss.

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:43 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:38 am
Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over
was it so boring?
No pls I'm just adjusting to time zone change and one of my cats has been waking me up early too

Awww your cute kitty is town ^^
(I was teasing you tbh)

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:41 am Perhaps playing a multiball game where I don't even have meta to fall back on for anyone was a mistake

Anyway

@Michelle do you still feel like non-village would have capitalized on the opportunity for an early tutuu wagon?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 2:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:56 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:35 pm tutuu
4
40%
Voters: Zenon, falcon45ca, DrWilgy, RondoDimBuckle

Wagon getting even spicyer

What's so spicy about it?

Which vote is the spicy-est?
Idk.
There's a theory that the wolves would help in making an early wagon to show activity, or a wolf pissed enough townies to get a wagon.
But in this game things are weird.
Tutuu is weird, game mechanics are weird, so the theory remains just a theory.

Tutuu with a wagon is spicy anyway, I don't remember a wagon on town!tutuu so early

Sometimes it is a wolf in a 4 people early wagon, but that wasn't the only ome iirc. At least a wolf or sin should have a vote at that moment

Unfortunately i am on phone and digging in my spoilered VCs is hard now, and to understand the gamestate of D1 better, we need more flips.

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:30 am Where is Nanook anyway

I did in fact pass out while reading Michelle's ISO so starting that over

was it so boring?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:20 am This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.
Can you explain on Nanook? It's pretty hard for me to read him partly because I think his reaction posts at EoD2 were exaggerated regardless of his alignment.

Nanook is tunneling me as town when I low post because he is convinced I can't high post as scum so there's no other explanation for me to low post
I didn't notice a read on me in this game. We were itt in the same time, but he didn't try to talk to me.
That's very weak per se, but I started to add micro elements to it, like the post when he told Mac he has to die because he tunneled/ was wrong on Porscha. In the best case Mac should be voted as wolf/sin not because he was wrong. There are more for sure but I have just this one in memory.
Also it's the fact Sean just started to say he suspects Nook when he died. That's wifom, but we should talk about it

This is for myself, a kind of reads list, but in the poll order

Dennis - outed scum

DrWilgy - low impact, maybe a sin, if not please play @DrWilgy

Dubz - busy IRL, relaxed tone, idk

Epignosis - i liked the analysis of the setup but that's not really AI.

falcon45ca - good tone, low impact, in the upper part of the null

jackofhearts2005 - time will tell, maybe town, not on the chopping block but he should show his towny soul if that’s his alignment

Macdougall - tinfoilable unfortunately. Not today.

Matahari - not very towny, not really scummy. I didn't notice agenda, so I will put her also above null.

Michelle -

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - suspicious

RondoDimBuckle - self confidemt, making a reactionary play, RTs, meh. Idk, hopefully town

Roxy - towny

S~V~S - looked like she is solving but i don't get the Poe except Nook, please explain @S~V~S

Thunal33 - my top town previous days, gives me paranoia for her fear of dying yday, but still town.

Spoiler: show

VC

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:33 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:04 am Tutuu died 38 minutes after the day ended. That's not an end of day resolution that's a during night resolution.

I received my gift 17 minutes after day ended.

I think that Tutuu blew up cuz she opened a gift.
What was the gift?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:05 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:02 am I know Epi said that there's a chance Dennis is John Doe but like ... as if? He's been belly up for two days, he isn't gonna be John Doe and just give up. He might have BEEN John Doe but he sure as hell isn't now.
Or he's just greed?
Yeah we should just assume everything is as it seems and not think outside the box in a social deduction role madness game based on the film Se7en. That will surely help us win.
What happened with the level 1 world?
Well I felt differently at that time. I have layers. Like an onion lol.

Like Shrek

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:04 am Tutuu died 38 minutes after the day ended. That's not an end of day resolution that's a during night resolution.

I received my gift 17 minutes after day ended.

I think that Tutuu blew up cuz she opened a gift.

What was the gift?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:05 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:02 am I know Epi said that there's a chance Dennis is John Doe but like ... as if? He's been belly up for two days, he isn't gonna be John Doe and just give up. He might have BEEN John Doe but he sure as hell isn't now.
Or he's just greed?
Yeah we should just assume everything is as it seems and not think outside the box in a social deduction role madness game based on the film Se7en. That will surely help us win.

What happened with the level 1 world?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:02 am I know Epi said that there's a chance Dennis is John Doe but like ... as if? He's been belly up for two days, he isn't gonna be John Doe and just give up. He might have BEEN John Doe but he sure as hell isn't now.

Or he's just greed?

I have to go to work

Ttyl

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:50 am Maybe Seanzie was tunneling me because he was told to vote me the same way I was told to vote him.

Maybe this agent of chaos decided to turn us against one another.

Just a theory. Don't get mad at me Epi.

I doubt town Sean would need to voice a tinfoil to cast a vote. Just saying

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:42 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:41 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:36 am Michelle if Ender was here and I was Ender would you tell me if you were bad?
Ender would know my alignament by now, he don't have to ask.
Got it, bad.

I don't trust silly tests like these, idk what do you think you will accomplish

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:33 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:27 am Do you know if tutuu died for breaking an imposed unknows post cap?
I mean its the only thing that makes sense and with that in mind Mac is probably dead because he has been forced to be unable to vote for Seanzie

I have a tinfoil if tutuu was killed by this method

Thunal came into the day with a restriction as well and said she don't want to die if she posts much.
I have no idea how many posts she had that day, but I doubt they're many.
It's like she knew about the death sentence who came for posting over a number of posts and thought the action against her was similar with the action against tutuu.

I disliked the optimistic tone when she said we are in a good spot or something

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:36 am Michelle if Ender was here and I was Ender would you tell me if you were bad?

Ender would know my alignament by now, he don't have to ask.

I need everyone's opinion please

Do you know if tutuu died for breaking an imposed unknows post cap?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:09 am If Seanzie wasnt shot (by dennis) then obviously he would have faked the sus on Mac, myself and he might have ended on Mac, then dennis would go over (unless we needed to flip) Seanzie gets to live another night because lol he is checking Mac then maybe he checks Wilgy or something and BAM we get another 2fer.

What about his clear suspicion on Nanook?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:54 am Queef being a word I chose to use to imply he was bothering me.

Bothering like a town who''s trolling or like scum who's aiming to discredit?

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