The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:04 pm who did you check

Esooa

I received the peek, she is not villager.
Either she's a harmful 3p, or she's mafia

Not yet

I don't have any answer at my check

You made Isos on 3 villagers and a mafia from the other team.


I said i will tell you what other wolfy things you did.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:08 pm What the fuck, seriously?

So it's either supertown Hally, supertown Michelle, or unchoppable Esooa?! The fuck kind of choice is that?!

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:09 pm If it's either Hally or Michelle, congratulations on an amazing scum game.

These 2 posts, one after another, showing fake surprise and a weak suspicion on everyone else with no serious stance on someone.
Like everyone can be wolf except you, but you got so far because dead villagers told everyone you are playing in town meta, using an old meta and ignoring that meantime you could change yourself and have a good tone as scum like you had as villager back then.

It's wolfy mindset to accuse everyone else and show yourself as town just because.

Sorry about that, i thought my phone freeze and i pressed post again (and again)

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:07 pm(snip)
Did you Iso a flipped scum to search for interactions with living players?

Not in the same way that Sloonei did, for instance, but with each player I ISO’d, I looked for their interactions with flipped scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:10 pm(snip)
I understand that Esooa was convincing in making you stop asking questions. Why are you affraid to be more confrontational and push her more if you have questions for her?

It’s not that I’m afraid to, it’s that she made it very clear even afterwards that she was not interested in the game anymore.

Can you link me your cases please? I am only phone posting today and I can only play
sporadically

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:07 pm(snip)
Did you Iso a flipped scum to search for interactions with living players?

Not in the same way that Sloonei did, for instance, but with each player I ISO’d, I looked for their interactions with flipped scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:10 pm(snip)
I understand that Esooa was convincing in making you stop asking questions. Why are you affraid to be more confrontational and push her more if you have questions for her?

It’s not that I’m afraid to, it’s that she made it very clear even afterwards that she was not interested in the game anymore.

Can you link me your cases please? I am only phone posting today and I can only play
sporadically

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:07 pm(snip)
Did you Iso a flipped scum to search for interactions with living players?

Not in the same way that Sloonei did, for instance, but with each player I ISO’d, I looked for their interactions with flipped scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:10 pm(snip)
I understand that Esooa was convincing in making you stop asking questions. Why are you affraid to be more confrontational and push her more if you have questions for her?

It’s not that I’m afraid to, it’s that she made it very clear even afterwards that she was not interested in the game anymore.

Can you link me your cases please? I am only phone posting today and I can only play
sporadically

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:53 pm Ever since my red-check, yeah, I've been defending myself because there was something to defend. And if I didn't engage enough with Esooa and Oddmerta, it's because they've both seemed disinterested in engaging in conversation. Esooa even got cross with me and told me to stop asking her questions, so I did.

I understand that Esooa was convincing in making you stop asking questions. Why are you affraid to be more confrontational and push her more if you have questions for her?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:31 pm(snip)
You couldn't town case yourself, that's one of them.
Wolves don't have the ability to explain why are they villagers because they are not.
No matter what villa game I am playing, I know in every single moment of the game what I did villagery and I can explain why am I villager with quotes and votes. In other words, with facts.
Especially in day 7 of the game

I did though. Maybe you and I have different definitions of town-casing oneself. I don't really know how to do that other than what I wrote in that post, and, 'Look at my tone and how towny it is.'

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:35 pm The second is your lack of real scum hunting Straw, you only defended yourself and didn't really try to find scum.

I wrote up ISOs on several people, have been asking people about posts they made, what they thought of certain players, etc. Again, maybe we have different definitions of scumhunting, but I feel like I have been.

I can have a pretty good tone as scum myself, you know? If you don't have something else, just tone so late in the game is not enough.

Did you Iso a flipped scum to search for interactions with living players?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:33 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:23 pmlol this game

I just checked you have 1500 posts, when on Earth did you post that much?

the first few days when i actually had the will to carry on

What took your will away from you?

this game being ridiculously long and impossible to solve

There is never such thing as impossible to solve.

The second is your lack of real scum hunting Straw, you only defended yourself and didn't really try to find scum.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:23 pmlol this game

I just checked you have 1500 posts, when on Earth did you post that much?

the first few days when i actually had the will to carry on

What took your will away from you?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:26 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:24 pm Straw, it's you for reasons i will write down in the morning, is a general pattern of wolfy activity, but is 1 am and I don't have now the mood to explain you what wolfy things you did.

You get some rest, don't tire yourself out for the likes of this game.

But I do honestly look forward to your reasons why I'm a wolf. It'll be something to liven up discussion, at least, because I'm 100% not a wolf.

You couldn't town case yourself, that's one of them.
Wolves don't have the ability to explain why are they villagers because they are not.
No matter what villa game I am playing, I know in every single moment of the game what I did villagery and I can explain why am I villager with quotes and votes. In other words, with facts.
Especially in day 7 of the game

@Esooa how come did you know is not Odd?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:23 pmlol this game

I just checked you have 1500 posts, when on Earth did you post that much?

Straw, it's you for reasons i will write down in the morning, is a general pattern of wolfy activity, but is 1 am and I don't have now the mood to explain you what wolfy things you did.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:16 pm I think you should check Hally tonight. I know it'd be insane if there was a v/w mason team, but I think we should be sure.

No matter who is the last wolf it would be insane to let me alive so my check doesn't count

Either way, it's you.

Please kill me overnight, i am busy this weekend, is Easter for me and i can't play.
I was busy all this week because of this, the week before Easter is a nightmare at job and very tiresome irl. This is the reason i didn't Iso and I waited only an answer, any answer, from Odd.

Now is impossible to win if Esooa really doesn't have a vote.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:09 pm If it's either Hally or Michelle, congratulations on an amazing scum game.

Why not congratulations for Esooa? I am curious

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:12 pm It sure as hell isn't me. I wish I had the ability to prove it to you, but all I have is a typewriter.

You didn't proove me any usefulness of your ability.

I hate myself for paranoia

At least now we know it's just one wolf left, because otherwise game would end

It's you and i didn't trust him because he didn't answer.

Don't.

Or is you indeed

If i was wrong, i am sorry.

Ok, idk anymore

I should let my vote, or vote Esooa, that means RNG between them

3 mins before Eod and no one is here.

@Hally
@Esooa
@Strawhenge
@Oddmerta

Where are you?

I hate this game.

Where is Odd?

[VOTE: Odd] aubergine
Talk to me my friend

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:42 pm Why Odd and not Esooa for eg, @Strawhenge?

I mean what makes Odd scummier than Esooa from your pov?

Why Odd and not Esooa for eg, @Strawhenge?

If Odd is scum that means he is enjoying tormenting villagers, because imo if he was Gerhard mafia he wouldn't let me have any peek and he would kill me long ago. Bo played well the first days and had a good image in the game since then, plus the distance JPIC made in his posts made harder to understand Bo is scum.
I don't think everyone would accept to chop Bo without the peek. And i had the peek with Odd's help, at least this is my impression.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:22 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?

I was hoping he would as well, but I would I love your thoughts on what I brought up.

I am phone posting now, maybe i can do this in the morning (is 10:30 pm for me rn)

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:00 pm(snip)
The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?

Sadly I can't link any games; the portion of the RYM forums that contained the mafia games were all deleted.

My experience with mafia was probably about 3-4 years or so from 2012ish - 2015ish. Only 3 games out of 25-30 games I was scum, and only one of those I won. And unless I'm forgetting, very few or none of those games included a miller role, and I definitely never had a miller card myself.

What are you doing when you have a role you didn't have and you don't know?
What is worse, to keep alive a slot who cannot be cleared during the game or to claim you are a weak spot for town?
Survival mentality is for scum, town wants to die in the search for truth, like Sloonei did for eg.

Me, I am reading about a new role and try to figure how to play it better.
I had a similar ability with yours in a few games and I had to write a text for Sod to appear in the write ups, and my only concern was to share my thoughts and help the village. What from your text helped the village, can you link them?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.

Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:43 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?

The only mechanical proof I have is the typewriter, which Hally can vouch for.

Voting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.

Other than that I have nothing else to point to as 'proof'. Though pale in comparison to the likes of you (Michelle), Hally, Bo (in his hunt for KC Mafia, at least), and Alison, I feel like my endeavors in finding scum have been evidently earnest. Even when I was wrong, like with LC and TSP, I've been trying as much as my real life will allow.

So now I turn the question to you specifically, @Michelle: other than my red check, do you have any proof that I'm scum?

The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?

In this game:

Esooa Me Nanook (his charismatic spirit is with us) Hally Odd Straw

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.

Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?

why does it matter lol

It does matter, please play, if you are villager,

Hally, we don't sleep.
The numbers doesn't confirm it's only one scum left, put your head in the game please, and find the best chop.
We are 5.

I am un-cc-ed town cop, and maybe I played bad this game but I am villager and for my reading and/or mechanical mistakes i will apologise endgame. I don't know why am I alive, ask the Gerhardt mafia

Essoa claimed unkillable tree stump, prooved to have at least one shot lynch proof. KZA said is safe to try a new chop there iirc

Hally was claimed by dead villagers mason and if we loose to wolf Hally we blame them and there is that.

Straw is claimed miller and typewriter but the miller claim came after my red peek. She puts soul into the game and i don't know at all his scum range.

Odd is very tinfoil-able, plays with just few words and don't share much. My knowledge of his play as wolf says the game would end already with wolves' victory if Odd would be mafia because he plans the night actions carefully and don't let room for mistakes like letting the cop alive just for sadistic wifom purpose.

Odd, why didn't you answer at my pings?

Step up and play more today please, i am extremely busy and I need you to explain your thoughts
I have the same request for everyone else, please play

From my POV the only logical chop is Straw, no matter his claim, because the role is illogically weak in this setup, and he claimed after i outed my peek.
I don't want sleep, i was fooled once by such an idea and i died overnight only to see a townie scum siding and chopping the player i logically cleared the day before.

I know everyone is bored, but now we have to see what KZA said in the last 2 days and understand why he died.

My peek was KZA villager

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:42 pm Aw man, I'm really not gonna have a whole lot of time today, I'm sorry. If I survive to D9, I'll put in some work then.

D9 is kind of too late

Your reason to town read Hally is genuine scumhunting, can you give me an example?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:05 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:28 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @BoKnows

As I'm sure you're both aware, I'm more than willing to test Esooa's unkillable claim. I'd be interested to knowing more about why you think she's the best chop today, over the peculiarity of SPF and, honestly, the red peek and what-the-fuck late miller claim of yours truly.

I've already talked about this

Oh, okay, I see it now. Yeah, those are good points.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:07 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:22 pm So the failed kill of N2 is Nanook's shot, i forgot,
So mafia don't have a vig

and last night was mafia factional trying to kill Nanook who has a vest given by SPF?
Why would SPF give a vest if she is mafia? This doesn't make sense.

Doesn't a super-kill go through a vest, though? I thought that was the whole point.

Its a two shot vest

Right, but does that mean it has two layers that a kill would have to get through? Or that you can just use it twice? I'm just musing out loud, really; I've never seen the potential combination of a 2-shot vest vs. a super-kill before.

why did you want to know exactly how NAnook's vest is working? This is super wolfy imo

Hally you're mason but do you have other role you can talk about ? @Hally