The Syndicate

i can't sleep lol ted what do you think about tsp

closing thoughts before i sleep:

a radish lynch is spicy and i'd be behind it if y'all do some substantial grilling before eod. i want to see him under pressure

i can't shake thinking that ted is town and i don't want him to be lynched, but if y'all do end up lynching him, that's some great info

epi isn't a d2 lynch

i think tsp should die still. someone tell me why he's town and why that's a bad idea

mac and ts are untouchable. sloonei looks pretty good

turnip honestly looks better to me. kinda looks like they don't know what they're doing. wouldn't want a turnip lynch

lc prolly shouldn't die. they should get vig'd though, or copped, or something

speedchuck could die, sure.

done with page 27. this is where i finish and try to get some sleep i guess. perhaps i'll get something done in the am. before i yeet off for the phase i'll post some thoughts

just so y'all know though, lynching me is a bad idea 'cause i'm not a wolf

i don't quite remember what the jjj read was about but this post looked pure and i'm giving lc townie points for it. especially for the last sentence, because emotion tells.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:14 am Also, I don't really know what Mac was trying to say about the comment on JJJ, and I don't really care to go back, but it was way off. When I said "I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay", I was referring to "He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going", not " I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.". And I'm sorry as fuck for trying to make a funny with the Schrodinger's Player thing, don't worry, you won't be seeing anything like that again anytime soon.

radish excuse me but what is this

did you just go wolf -> town -> wolf on me? why? what could i have possibly done to warrant this flip flop

scum points. no

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:29 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:27 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine
Why? Why not LC?
I want us to talk about something different. What has Funnygurl done that makes her town?
Her play style reflects that of a town than a scum.
Her play style is completely null.

I accept meta info from leetic, but that doesn't mean it's a bad vote right now.
No, I disagree. She's super casual and nonchalant in her posts. Everything feels natural, even some of the occasional awkwardness. She speaks her mind and doesn't care. A play style that reflects one of a town than a scum.
I disagree with your disagreement. Plenty of wolves can be super casual and nonchalant, and FG strikes me as the type to play similarly game to game regardless of alignment.

But this was many moons ago, when she had only posted a handful of times. Currently, I'm content calling her a town read now.

also what is this bold. yo radish is looking bad on pg 26

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:47 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:33 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:26 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am Good morning folks. Just spent an hour reading (er, some skimming) to catch up. AMA. My answer will undoubtedly be 'dunno, don't remember what was said'.
Why are you voting for a confirmed civilian?
Word your question fairly or don't bother asking it.
Why are you voting for tedxtr?
Early on in the game, I felt he was hedging his bets and trying to appear casual and such. This was a very early D1 read, and I didn't pursue it very far. As Ted progressed, I didn't find anything in particular that cleared him. He seemed to pick his spots and his posts continued to leave me uninspired. He seemed to be scumhunting to some extent, but I didn't see anything that made me think a wolf couldn't fake it.

I had moved my vote to FG a long while back and was looking to move off it. The other two wagons (LC, Leetic) were people I had also voiced mild suspicion of, but I decided to make it a 3-way wagon instead because (a) I hadn't yet revisited my Ted read properly and still felt him null at best, and (b) to see if that affected how others chose to place their votes.

It should be noted that now, as I've skimmed through the game since his outburst, I've been trying harder to read him as town!Ted, and I feel I can see him now. I hate using this as a rationale, but truth be told it's the fact that his frustrated feelings haven't abated that make me think he's a townie feeling wronged. Some people can fake emotion long-term, but I can only think of two (Eva and someone from my home site) who can do it properly.

this is a whole lotta nothing. radish had a strong early game yeah, but when things get heated we get... this?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:18 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:50 am How do you feel about leetic and LC now, Master Radishes? Is there anyone without votes that you think deserves some?
Having not properly thought about the last 9ish hours of posts:

LC - there's nothing he's said or done that clears him, IMO. I didn't like one of his opening posts, and I felt his analysis of leetic was fairly surface level. My other game with him was Inception, and he felt different there, so I'm not sold on him definitely being mafia here, but I agree with his inclusion in the PoE on the basis that in this game he's not done anything I can't see a wolf also doing.

Leetic - similarly to LC, there was an early post of his I felt was iffy based on its tone/phrasing; in Leetic's defense, he has continued to talk in the same way, so I think my argument there is invalid. Beyond that, I feel that I generally don't mind his posts individually, and I feel I see an attempt to gamesolve. But at the same time, I feel as if he's...on his own. Like, he's not really tussling with others, just sort of floating by on the fringe of what's going on. And that rings an alarm bell for me.

Both deserve to be in the POE; neither feel like a sure thing; both deserve my attention further.

I'll think about your second question. I'm making breakfast/getting ready/etc and so this post took 20 minutes to finish typing as it is.

at least he's self aware here. small town point.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:44 am Ugh. My POE is full of low posters, upon reflection. Seems too easy.

i think these retorts look natural

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:53 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:18 pm I'd rate my confidence on Sloonei, Tedxtr, TS Account and Funnygirl being town, right at this second, as 9.9/10 on all four. So it'd be nice if y'all spent the time to find each other so we can dominate this shit.
convince me on the gal and the ted. I've seen nothing from ted that would be incompatible with the version of him we just played with in the goc.
Really? He seems completely different to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:06 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:25 am speedchuck -

Tbh his ISO left me uninspired and his last post with the readslist is like "Yeah so we lost ted as a lynching option, I'm gonna put LC at null and keep TH scum as those are two viable wagons"

I get that the last 2 people (except for leetic) are being analysed based on pre-flip. Individually, I really have no idea what speedchuck is, could be anything. He does read more...tense? I guess?
Did I ever suspect you this game? I don't think I did. You're reverse tunneling a bit here.

so this is... better. but it's a reads list that he's had time to compile
i think a good exercise for reading radish is to make him do stream of consciousness type reads. i probably won't be around to do that, but that's an idea for you guys.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 am I'm re-reading properly and got through pages 17-20.

Thoughts before I take a break:

*Turnip's reaction to his wagon was just a 'my voters are suspicious' quip but without actually making an effort to properly defend himself. He strikes me as someone who is never very talkative, but I'd sort of expect a wolf to give even a half-hearted defense. I think this reflects well on him.

*What's up with Speedchuk piling on the TH wagon by selecting a few TH posts and saying 'This is bad' to each? It looked like work, but it wasn't much work, and it essentially just served to nudge the wagon along, like he wanted it to gain more momentum.

*I've decided TSP is not a baddie. His reaction to gaining a bit of heat was one of unconcern.

*Already mentioned my growing townread of Mac.

*Drago...I don't know. I thought I liked him, but when re-reading his defense to Mac I do feel he was being...careful...mildly aggressive but without going over the line...taking care with what he was saying and how he was saying it. That sort of thing.
Slight side note: I find it interesting that there's been a fair bit of chatter about Drago over the course of the Day, yet there's never been a proper wagon for him. I...don't know what the book of Mafia says about that. Someone smarter than me can jump in and inform me.

*I like TS Account during these pages, where he's not the focal point; I forget which now (I went to get a cup of tea in the midst of writing this post) but there were one or two posts that made me think 'a wolf doesn't say that'. I think I'm willing to shift him upwards to Mac/Sloon level town read.

*Funnygurl is just...hanging around during these pages. She's there, she votes, she asks basic questions like why Mac is switching back to LC. But she's not doing anything much. GTH this is a townie thing, though.

knowing that leetic is town, this looks like posturing and therefore looks bad

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:28 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:20 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:00 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:16 am Let’s maj leetic
Since I cased you, could you at least have the decency to case me? Your current case stinks
There's no world where you believe in your scum read on me as a town here.
To jump off of this, a long while back I noticed my two early mild suspicions (you and leetic) did not seem aligned. It's D1 so I wasn't concerned about that, figuring it would sort itself out as time went on, and in the moment I decided you were more suspicious so voted there first.

But I do feel like leetic has stuck to his scumread of you and I don't really remember why he thinks you're scum. Basically, his read feels static. I know to you, ted, this must sound rich coming from me, but I didn't actually keep harping on about you the entire time - it only came up again once I re-voted you later and you asked why. (And I've already said I'm shifting away from that read.)

When I read leetic's posts I like them well enough, but then later (like now) I can't remember what he's thinking. That might be my own failing, but it's also something I'm a bit uncertain about with regard to his presence in the game.

I hesitate to lynch someone who's been on the lynch list for most of D1 - in general, I prefer some movement as the day evolves - but of all the ongoing wagons this is the one I'm still most okay with existing.

(Feel free not to respond to me, ted, since you made clear you don't want to play with me. And FYI my vote is coming off you at some point, I just haven't found a landing spot yet.)

this is cool but without action to back up your words what are you tryna say

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm General comment prompted by ongoing discussion around me:

What concerns me with this game so far is how static it's become. I think we started pretty standard, but with the exception of the sudden TH wagon that sprung up earlier, the main suspicions have sat still for a long while now. I realise my vote still sits on Ted too, but I'm also talking more generally about who is being cased in thread and who is not. Discussion continues to revolve around the same couple of people.

This means a lot of civs are sitting on a stale vote and not really looking elsewhere properly. So, I don't know, I challenge everyone to shake their worldview up and see what happens.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:42 am Holy shit funnygurl is still going.

;___;

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] when you get back, gimme a current read on tsp please. you townread him as of page 26 and i wanna know if anything's changed

done with page 25. not much to dump but here we go:

ok this is pretty townie. doesn't want to see someone hammered. h o w e v e r i don't really like either tsp or th rn so hmm. what could this possibly mean

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:18 pm I’m still catching up but I’m taking my vote of TH. 5 is dangerous in a hammer game.

this shows progression on speedchuck's read on lc. townie points

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:39 pm Are people pivoting back to LC, because he looks better now than earlier in the day?

tsp's reads as of page 21, which i already said that i had a gripe with:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

speedchuck's reads, which are fairly safe and fit in with the thread's hivemind

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:46 pm I am about halfway through my post, but so much has changed in the last two pages that it's now all outdated lol
That's why you gotta just spew
Hey speed, do you have any reads? Ever since you came back online you made several posts lacking substance.
Mac, Ted, ts account town. TH scum. LC back around null. Those are the ones I've been gnawing on.

I want to believe funnygurl is town because she seems like she's having fun, but I don't know enough about her.

i... actually kinda like this vote. easily could have gone for lc or someone else who was definitely gaining momentum, but they chose ted

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:55 pm [VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

This wagon has the purest votes from my POV. The other wagons just look trigger happy

turnip and radish are not together this game, even though they're root vegetables.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further
steady the boat that is already rocking then.
That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.

epi cast suspicion on mac. i think it's a fair point

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:21 pm MacDougall presented an idea in a recent game he was good in. He said I was bad because I refused to talk to my teammates. Mac didn't say shit about that here. There are plenty of people I've not engaged with.

another emotional post from ted
i can't help but town read these things ;___;

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm Like this is fucking ludicrous, everyone but me is getting pushed, Long Con is pushed, TSP is pushed, Speedchuck is pushed, and I’m still being top wagon, TH is pushed

Fucking read the game state correctly, MY WAGON IS A PAGE 2 THING AND IT HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT

i misremembered and thought mac was talking about th here for some reason... but this makes me hesitant to make a stronger read for radish, and i don't town lean radish anymore. perhaps a very tentative one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:16 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:10 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:04 am I also do not feel like this is the same radish we saw in the goc.
Wdym?
master radishes was scum in that game. he got lynched day 2. i think he looks different here. that would indicate a town read, but i'm not familiar enough with him as a player to say that with complete confidence. i'm not currently inclined to vote for him.
Radishes is an obscenely good player. He has levels. Getting lynched early in the GOC was an outlier for him.

tsp made a post saying he liked lc, didn't know what to do with radish, and thought leetic was scum. not linking it because i'm too lazy to find it. quick glanced at tsp's reads and i guess it adds up.

ok sorry i'm back: don't you think that ted would have died if he were town? and tsp just acknowledged ted's potential soft earlier in the game

did anyone take that seriously? i'd imagine wolves would want to take out a vig

@@@anyone who wants to answer

while i'm rambling i think tsp's a hit. anyway i'll go back into the thread. grumble grumble

reads as of page 20:
Epignosis- scum lean
Long Con- null
MacDougall- town
Master Radishes- town lean
Sloonei- town lean
speedchuck- null
tedxtr- town lean
ts account- town
TonyStarkPrime- scum
Turnip Head- scum lean

th and lc aren't on a team together
radish and ted aren't on a team together
epi and ted aren't on a team together
sc and th aren't on a team together

ted isn't a strong town anymore i just gotta be cautious

i'm on page 20. i'm losing momentum and i'm getting sleepy, but i'll push through for as long as i can

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] when you have a chance, could you give a current read on turnip head?

here dragomir shades th.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:17 pm Does anybody share my suspicion on Turnip?
Lemme go look. Can you give me your angle in a simple concept?
A backseat poster who lacks in assertive reads and only dips his toes just barely in a couple subjects as if he's trying to see if something is sticking.

then we see lc do the same thing bout a post or two later (though lc says it's co

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:33 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?
You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here
This post makes me feel grey. So tentative, that second sentence. Such a tiny prod, this barely even merits a response from Mikey. Does he follow up on this suspicion?

more shade.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:41 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:54 pm @ts account It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.
Starts out strong, then waffles out in the home-stretch. Lack of assertive reads strikes again.

this clearly contradicts his d1 eod play and really weakens my lc town read.
[mention]Long Con [/mention], what were you trying to do when you self-voted yourself? you said yourself that "dying sucks", but voting yourself into a kitb is like asking for a death wish.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

lc said the same stuff about turnip that i just did... so hm. perhaps i'll hold off on suspecing lc longer. mindmelding indicates towniness. i'm not dropping the quotes for those.

and it culminated in a turnip head vote:

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:59 pm My Sloonei vote is super-stale at this point. I'm going to switch to TH. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

th suspecting lc

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

and then weakens the read by saying they're confused. not a good look.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:36 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:26 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Would you consider voting for him?
I'm mostly just confused

speedchuck town reads ted. and a strong defense like this is not something i'd expect wolf buddies to make, so i think it's genuine. anyway it's important because it shows speed's worldbuilding.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:03 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.
I'm having trouble seeing your world building. You have quite the townreads, what's the PoE?
Ted is mafia.
I'm completely the reverse on you here sloon

epi places a vote on lc

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.
This is true.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

There is no reason you should have to explain this to Turnip Head. TH was around during that time.

lc is a wagon at this point if i recall correctly. then we have mac saying that an lc lynch is bad and voting for turnip head. but before that we had speedchuck give a quick case and a vote on turnip head. i'm not copying those. eh.

i'll dump this now.

ts account wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:29 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:10 pm since we're talking about ted rn, just came across this and i think it's very townie. emotion reads aren't my forte but yeah

what do you think about this mikey?
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:58 pm Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

There is enough room for it to be faked.

noted. i'll dismiss it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:13 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:01 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:59 pm i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.
What’s stopping you?
his early d1 was hella strong
Counterpoint: early Day 1 is the easiest stage to fake.

since we're talking about ted rn, just came across this and i think it's very townie. emotion reads aren't my forte but yeah

what do you think about this mikey?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:58 pm Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:01 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:59 pm i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.
What’s stopping you?

his early d1 was hella strong

i'm on page 15 now but not much has caught my attention these last few pages, so i'll dump:

he's kinda weakening his suspicion of me here (if he suspected me at all). hedgey. not good.

mac liked this post from tsp which is eh i mean i guess nai

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it
I do not understand what you like and dislike here.
I like the argument that spicy voting = town. But I think it’s a little suspicious that 1) voting for Leetic could be considered spicy and 2) she didn’t say anything about me, the other Leetic voter. Unless I missed something.

this is epignosis's first notable contribution. he also firmly town-read dragomir, which is important to note if we're gonna do nk analysis (do not recommend tbh lmao, but hey i'm doing it.)

nai. i mean it could be easily replicated as wolf but it's not wolfy. it does put distance between epi and tsp which is not important now

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.
Tell me more
The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred
From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

guess i should quote this 'cause it's a rEaD but not important

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:05 pm I won't be voting Sloonei today.

though i should add that upon further inspection i like sloonei again. his performance at the beginning of the thread was really strong and i'm reminded of why i town-read him in the first place. without meta i can't confidently give him a town read, because he could just be good enough to fake a power town playstyle, but ah well. TRUST. ;__;
[mention]Sloonei[/mention] here u go

i don't know what this post is but it's interesting. it would be indicative of a townie mindset if th actually incorporated this into a read of epi

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:28 pm The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

slank tho not rly important i guess

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:44 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:08 pm I'll admit, I do find it a bit weird how LC still has his vote on Sloonei after all this time without providing any further elaboration.
It's just a remnant by now, of a vote cast in a boring thread. Don't consider it to mean he's my top suspect... I put more focus in my other game today due to the 72-hour days in this one, and I need to get back in here and play.

spoken like someone who's never played with mikey. i don't like it. it's a safe read. negative points.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 pm [VOTE: tsaccount] aubergine
My concerns about ts have not been addressed, but I am now having a harder time reading his utter frustration with me as anything but genuine.
My vote stands. Convince me otherwise.
Why does your vote stand where it stands? Is this a social distancing thing?
I'll make this real simple for you. Ready?

I think ts is

Spoiler: show
mafia

If I were to ask why, would you give me a satisfying answer?
I don't know the answer to that. What would satisfy you? I've already said I think ts is engaging in bullshit discussion about mechanics and people who talk about mechanics. ts looks nervous. Like someone who bit off more than he can chew and is trying to make himself out to be the big fish regardless.

this on the other hand is good. if only epi were present more

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:00 am I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

this is spicy i guess

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:15 am May I interest you guys on TonyStarkPrime or TSP? Dawg hasn't done anything this game besides a few thoughts on me that haven't gone anywhere.

at the time that i'm posting this, epi is voting for speedchuck, so the evolution of this read is interesting. then again, i don't quite remember why epi is even voting for speedchuck.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:16 am
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:14 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:11 am
What's your issue with speedchuck?
He hasn't done much of note and what he has done (jokey posts, slight ts shade when the thread climate was against the former, going after LC (an easy target) is easy for scum to do.
That doesn't concern me. speedchuck has a new baby and new work from home shit. I'm not concerned.

this is actually interesting. i feel like dragomir would be pushing ted if he were still alive.

i wish dragomir were around to talk about this. i say that because if dragomir were around i feel like he'd be going after ted rn, and i wanna see a solid case against him now that my tr on ted is shaken

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:14 pm Why are Ted and Leetic voting for each other? That does not look v/v at all.

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

first of all there are only three slots in this readslist. also i didn't even go to "could be" on your list. i was just "scum", which is a new fourth slot.
that's why i was alarmed. you didn't even talk about me very much

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:42 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:35 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:24 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow
how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it
You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side
right but the jump from "probably not scum" to "scum" is still drastic and unnatural.

and now you're weakening your read on me. so what is it? what do you think about me rn?
drastic and unnatural seems a little excessive for moved down one or two names on the rainbow. The read was based on a play pattern, a sort of attempt to fake action idea. I think your recent posts aren’t in that pattern, but they don’t trigger a “this is definitely town” vibe and additionally I think you’re trying to steer conversation to other outlets. So I have to reconsider. You’ve probably moved up one or two slots.

Linki: @epi could be meta it’s some people’s thing but vacuum I agree

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:39 pm i just came across this, and i gotta say, great look for mac. this is one of the things that would make me soft clear someone so mac is good
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:47 am I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

alright i gotta explain myself before someone's like "wtf?"

dragomir was nk'd. mac seems like someone who'd yap in a wolf chat about who should die. mac would just let dragomir die on his own if he thinks this.

i don't expect it to be good information for anyone but myself, but if i maintain a mac townread, this is partly why

i just came across this, and i gotta say, great look for mac. this is one of the things that would make me soft clear someone so mac is good

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:47 am I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:24 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow
how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it
You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

right but the jump from "probably not scum" to "scum" is still drastic and unnatural.

and now you're weakening your read on me. so what is it? what do you think about me rn?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:25 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:29 pm he's also tryna position himself to vote me which is also... kinda... bad...

speed's name's been thrown around as a suspicion all game though. i'm not married to the idea, but i'm coming around to him being a hit
Who is he who is "also tryna?" Why is...it...kinda...bad... and not fucking awful?

i have to take information with a grain of salt if it involves me so i don't fall for omgus

anyway i would've responded to this in one post but i don't wanna lose the posts i've copied while i've been rereading

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:23 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 pm speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.
I have no idea what this means.

it appears like he's not trying to world build and is just throwing shit around. yeah i understand that the way i present my thoughts is suboptimal, but i don't think it's incomprehensible.

anyway, i'm beginning to rethink speed as i reread the thread, so.

ok so that's how it's gonna be huh

ok

...ok cya later

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:05 pmHi.

could u pls drop some thoughts

ooh. what do you think about lc now turnip?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
Disagree.
Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

well alright at least you're being honest LOL

who would you be voting rn if not for mikey?

but you change your reads without acknowledging that you do so. is it intentional? do you have a firm grasp on the game state at all?

i'm lonely

page 8 now.

notable lc read by radish

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:51 pm No one giving thoughts on my Ted suspicions, so I'll just pout and look at what others are looking at. .

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
I have to say, this vote by LC early on isn't a great look on him. I think what bothers me is it's mostly fluff, e.g. the jokey 'Schrodinger's player' and 'pay grade' bits, and the passive 'I'll join you'. He looks like he's trying to be casual. He didn't need to reference JJJ at all there anyway, so why bother? It's just filling out his post unecessarily.

The rest of his ISO looks fairly null to me, but yeah, I get the suspicion.

radish has voted me multiple times and then just... dropped it. not.. quite... good... i'm pretty good lynch bait so i'm wary of me-votes.
also mikey thought this wasn't good either so ayy there we go minus town points for you man

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine
Why? Why not LC?
I want us to talk about something different. What has Funnygurl done that makes her town?
I was going to go here a few minutes ago, ISOed her, and found nothing much to comment on. She threw a few reads out, but nothing that struck me one way or another.

Maybe that, itself, is something to comment on. Let me join you. [VOTE: Funnygurl555] aubergine

why does turnip come out of hiding to post inconsequential things like this

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:43 pm sloonei and ts being w/w is my new favorite conspiracy theory

i'm never going to like someone suspecting mikey 'cause it's way too easy as a wolf

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:42 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.
You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.
I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

spicy and unwarranted take: one of speedchuck and turnip is a wolf. currently leaning turnip a lil' bit; could be wrong

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] you're gonna have to explain this one to me. you went to townreading sloonei earlier in the page and now we're here and idk what's happening

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

important slank. nai

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:20 pm Unlike yours truly who is still working two jobs six days a week

i didn't really care for this. i mean it's okay but also i mean i don't care. no points

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it

this is the first notable macdougall contribution. right off the bat i thought that mac was town and i don't have a good reason for why. he has a very villagery off-the-cuff type vibe. anyway this post is very good and perhaps i'm sticking to the read

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:25 pm My brain is trying to process the fact that Mac just announced an “exceptionally confident” town read on me on April 1st.
So when I started the game I immediately voted for Tedxtr for the kek. I later realised that Master Radishes voted for him and I observed that Radishes at that time had no votes. Given that Radishes was lynched as scum very early in the GOC I figured that he must have done something very towny to be skating, so I read his ISO and ... well found very little. But what I did find was a strong read that you are Sloonei the town as opposed to Sloonei the scum. I know Radishes is an exceptionally insightful civilian so either;

a) He is a civilian and made an insightful as fuck town read that I should probably assume is correct
or
b) He is scum and trying to pocket you

I then cast a cursory glance at your ISO in the few fleeting moments I had to do so yesterday and saw what he meant.

I was going to sheep your vote at the time, I truly don't remember where it was ... I think maybe on ts account? But while this was unfolding I also made a snap read that Tedxtr is likely town because he has a similar gear shift here to you, so I decided to sheep him instead.

Not April Fools.

i keep seeing read reversals for turnip, and i don't know what to do with it. once again i need META ON TURNIP HEAD who's online who's alive who's around has anyone else caught this?

turnip also answered mac's q which i will (very) roughly paraphrase as "what do you think about the game atm" and he answered (again rough paraphrase) "this game looks fun!!!" which was... dodgy. might be digging into a tunnel. don't like this. someone give me meta

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:57 pm What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

ok i'm on page 6. reached a point where i had some more quotes to dump so here we go.

once again this is... none of this is new. but my one gripe with just scum reading turnip head is that someone said they're a really good player. in what way? someone give me some meta please and thank you

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am
You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

this is actually good in that it's an against-the-grain read. and now we know that, for the record, tsp wasn't hella town-reading dragomir
i still don't like that tsp doesn't push reads but just lays them there and let's others do what they will

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.
Tell me more
The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred

he also liked a post that mikey made which isn't a big deal in terms of evidence to read him but why not? don't have many tsp posts to analyze

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:34 pm I like this post.

i kinda like lc making this post ngl but minor point. he doesn't seem to care about pressure, which is pro-town. but we also know that he doesn't really care about his life in this game, lmfao.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:44 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:24 am His entire premise for the vote is dumb. He assumes that you'll open the same way as you did in another game and since you didn't, it's justification for why you're scum. It's meta and it's stupid meta. Most people don't always open up the exact same way in games that they're in regardless of alignment. I'm confident that I could easily find a game in which he opened differently from this one and day that he's scum.

He's either...
1. Ignoring how dumb his logic is and is just trying to create something against you to contribute.
2. Not realizing how dumb his logic is.

If it's 1, then he's a lazy scum. If it's 2, then he's a lazy townie.
False dichotomy.

first contribution from speedchuck, so this is a notable add. it's a long con vote without explanation, which isn't like... bad on it's own.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:58 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

this is actually good, so town points for speedchuck. he's trying to pressure lc, but pressure him to do what? perhaps it's speedchuck's meta to be a reactionary poster, i don't know, but it makes it hard to know what exactly he needs to form reads. and it makes it hard for me to figure out if he's hunting x.x

and based on thread context, sounds like lc was gaining traction anyways, though i don't remember the precise vote count in that point in time. paired with other suspicions/town endorsements, this could be a more passive townie hoping others do stuff

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:29 pm Sometimes you have to vote without giving a reason. You've got to tickle their balls a little.

LC especially needs ball tickling. His first couple of posts looked fun, but after he voted for Sloonei and got questioned for it his energy just died. Ever since then each post has been ineffectual defense without any of that town spark.

on the other hand we have turnip head and tonystarkprime who spent the first four pages lurking and making very forgettable posts. but what's more important than hem being forgettable is that they're either weak or reactions towards the current thread conversation. it's very utr. it's very easily faked. it doesn't change thread direction into something more productive.

you might ask: "what about tsp's leetic vote?" there was no gusto to that vote. he wasn't one of the main pushers of leetic's lynch. why is that?

with that said, very unlikely that they're on a team together. i have some faith that a wolf team doesn't approach the game like this. like perhaps one wolf but not all of them.

but scum points to them both for their entrances

turnip:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:57 am Sloonei is some sort of hybrid Golden-JJJ monstrosity right now, is this his final form? He just played a dastardly villain in GoC so now he might be supatowning hard

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am Ts latching onto sloon for discussing mechanics felt a bit opportunist and now that they're actually discussing reads he's sinking his teeth in deeper

xxx
tsp:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:30 pm Vote leetic

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
This is perhaps worse than the Leetic but it’s heart is in the right place

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:08 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:28 am I approve of drago so far.
Really? Cause he defended you or other reasons

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.

hello from page 4:

i'm back here to say that based on early impressions, radish seems town. this was his first contribution to the game, which was fine on it's own as an early read

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:16 am It's early days still, but Ted is popping out to me as someone to ISO. Everytime I read his post I'm thinking along the lines of 'Can a scum make that? ...Sure'.

I'm supposed to be working right now (from home, so it's easy for me to get distracted), but next time I take a break I'll do a proper ISO.

but then he posts this and it's a well thought out and solid read, even though i happen to disagree with it. it's hunting. this is good

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:10 am Okay, here are a couple posts from Ted that pinged me:

Disclaimer: it's early D1 etc etc.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:46 am @tedxtr what is your read on sloonei?
Yeah I was gonna get to that, I think you're town and I'm trying to wrap my head around the mess.
This is a cop out to talking about the (at the time) ongoing Sloonei-TS debate. 'Trying to wrap my head around the mess' comes across to me as a scum uncertain how to slip into the predominant conversation.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:59 am If ts account is [NSM] Mikey I don't remember him being this jumpy actually.

linki : I liked how you reacted to ts account's push on you, particularly one post somewhere. I guess you handled the callout pretty well, it's maybe something to do with how bad the votes on you were that deceives me into it, but idrc for now, you're sloonei.

(Quote chain that I cut)
A light shading on TS (who I assume is Mikey), followed by a rather qualified reason for TRing Sloonei. Again, just reads as someone who is hesitant to lay down solid reads.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:51 am I kind of want the Sloonei and ts shit to stop, there's already information to infer stuff from and quite frankly I think they're both town.
For one thing, it had definitely petered out by this point. But mainly, it has the tone of a scum who is trying to appear frustrated, e.g. 'quite frankly' and such phrasing.

The rest of his ISO is uninspiring. Mostly null posts that don't really indicate alignment either way, and nothing that looks townie enough to overrule my suspicions. Some of the other posts that don't sit well with me include a minor mechanics comments, a seemingly random and unexplained vote on Leetic ('this feels good for now', really?), and some weird commentary on a Mac who had barely entered the thread at that point. Even his entrance posts look a bit questionable under this light, but admittedly by this point I may be tunneling a bit.

Ted sits at the bottom of my list at the moment. I don't normally vote this early into the game, but hey, sometimes it's fun to switch things up. [VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

lmk if me posting too much will be annoying for y'all

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:09 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:03 pm well this is boring. i'm gonna reread the thread
Don't do that! Talk to me about me instead. Am I still leading us astray?

ehh i mean perhaps but you're also not the one making the not-good wagon on me rn. instead of town you're null for me now 'cause i can't trust a big voice rn

i was paranoid when the day started because tvtvt wagons means we're fucked and it reminded me of my first mu game incidentally

instead of giving you so much credit for town's direction i gotta put my big girl pants on and form some opinions, so i'm gonna disappear back into the thread and keep reading. on pg 3 ayy

well this is boring. i'm gonna reread the thread

sloonei trying to wrap his head around my lazy af playstyle is making me grin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:38 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:36 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 pm speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:21 pm imo anyone who's suspecting speed is suspect because he hasn't done much and it feels like an easy suspicion to latch onto given what i've been reading about him. mac's been okay otherwise though

time has passed so what is your point here?
Just wanted you to comment. Why did you object on Day 1?

because it was early and i thought voting him for utr play (which i think was the argument) was premature. but then he came in with that turnip head suspicion thing and he's clearly come back to cast some shade on me and lc. so he's had time now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:40 pm I gotta say I haven't read much of D2 but on D1 I really thought I saw FG's town mindset shine through. I also do not trust a single person on her wagon. That she is voting for Tony is also wild, TH voting for TS Account is wtf to me?

There's a lot of WTF going on here.

i want tony to answer my q. his read on me did like... a 150 without any explanation

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am So, leetic... I'll do this like counting cards in Blackjack. Start at 0, +value for towny, -value for wolfy.

First post (beyond guitar vid) is criticising the level of Day 1 activity in the thread. A valid criticism, we were 7 hours into Day 1, and not one player had tried to get serious. I liked this opener. +2 (2)

Second post votes Sloonei for having three posts, 100% dedicated to setup speculation. 4 hours AFTER telling the thread to get going, with still no serious responses. I liked this as well, which is why I decided to double down the vote. +2 (4)

Third post is a little sketchy. It's nice to see the genesis of the Mikey-Sloonei thing, but leetic's calling Mikey's post "weird" doesn't check out, because Mikey isn't "calling out Sloonei for setup speculation", he's criticising Sloonei's speculation with a hypothetcal designed to reveal the pointlessness of Sloonei's discussion. -1 (3)

Post 4:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
I quoted this one because Mikey's post is something I don't really understand. I don't see how that is, in any way, a response to leetic's question. It's a really weird response.

THEN leetic responds to Mikey... but in third person, like he's presenting Mikey's post to everyone else rather than responding to it. Also just weird, I don't really like that he specifically disengaged from the conversation, but it makes them look less than teammate-compatible, so there's that. Vote switch does please me, and makes sense, if Mikey's departure from previous town behaviour is accurate, it's a better reason to vote than Sloonei's speculation. +0 (3)... -1 for ts account.

Post 5 continues the meatiness that I am so far liking in leetic's posts. The "pocketing" discussion so far is just randomly generated by Mikey, and leetic's response to his pressing on the subject is the right response to the odd curveball.

Suspicion of tedxtr's early towncore feels good.

Radishes calls leetic out on the casual (too casual?) talk, leetic gives a reasonable response. Maybe Radishes is right, I wouldn't have noticed such a thing if he hadn't pointed it out. Slight minus on this post's score, a la Radish.

The tedxtr interactions, I don't agree with tedxtr's criticism of leetic's... whole game so far, I guess. +1 (4)

Post 6 leetic gives a list of reads with some explanation. Looks like genuine solving. +1 (5)

Post 7 Dragomir responded negatively to leetic's assessment that he was just sheeping Sloonei with no original thoughts. Dragomir's reaction to the accusation was mild defensive hostility, which is a -1 for him, and leetic's reply was a reasonable explanation and a prod toward fixing the apparent problem. Dragomir would have looked better if he had given original thoughts instead of just bristling at leetic's observation. +1 again for leetic (6)

Post 8 Dragomir doubles down on the idea that leetic is prodding him to "create random thoughts out of thin air so [he] could be original". Like, where do thoughts come from usually? Amazon? You have to, like, think about things to get thoughts. leetic shames Dragomir and casts a vote that I judge to be valid. +1 (7) Is leetic still in the lead for votes? He looks really town so far, where are the suspicions coming from?

ok let's real talk about this post y'all

i appreciate it, but it could've easily been faked, and it was a read on ONE PERSON, and i was expecting to know his opinions on the game state

so when i say i expected more, i did

anyway he was right about leetic so gj man

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:36 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 pm speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:21 pm imo anyone who's suspecting speed is suspect because he hasn't done much and it feels like an easy suspicion to latch onto given what i've been reading about him. mac's been okay otherwise though

time has passed so what is your point here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

he's also tryna position himself to vote me which is also... kinda... bad...

speed's name's been thrown around as a suspicion all game though. i'm not married to the idea, but i'm coming around to him being a hit

speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it
I've never seen an appeal to hypothetical emotion before.

Or at least, not one quite like this.
You got a read on the funny gal?
Potential to be scum with Long Con there. Like she doesn't like the gambit and she's begrudgingly using it to turn his gamble into a strong townread.
I'm not sure whether her vote ending up on LC d1 supports this idea or not.

uhhh no a me/lc team isn't exactly logical here. first of all i'm town. second of all lc's probably town

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:14 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome
Don't like this, it's a nothing statement. We can't know until the game ends. [VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

yeah i just realized that lmao. well theoretically... i'm not going into stuff like that in here. anyway i liked mikey's take on that and i think that's clear evidence that he's town

ts account wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:11 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome
I will not point out all the times you have looked into dumbtells too far.

Well, just one- Color Wheel mafia

my tell is correct here shhhHHHHHHH

anyway i have four votes

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:15 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:02 pm i have three votes. fitting. ooh this is exciting. you know what this means? sloonei and/or tsp is a wolf
I am responsible for 0 of those 3 votes

yeah i just realized that ted betrayed me

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:59 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine

She personified the que sera sera mentality of the thread last round, which right now is not a good look considering I really think we had v/v(/v?) wagons yesterday.

i guess i can see where you'd think this. i defended the (/v?) wagon though and deferred to mikey about another read. not to mention my voting pattern closer to eod was as dynamic as i coulda made it given i wasn't really present

idk if that helps you at all or if you're just set on voting me, which is cool

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:47 am
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:17 am Does ted play on mafiauniverse? What is their username there?
Sup mikey i’m insomnia

Feel free to lock clear me and move on

;_; i've played with you before too

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