The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:09 pm Wolf-Nook's best plan wrt his claim would be to push for miselims in the (presumably both towns in this world) pool of Marmot/Creature.

Nobody has really pushed for that besides Mac and (very loosely) myself mentioning it. Nook even somewhat steered away that train of thought from me.

The fact that this is the case probably suggests that there's a wolf in the pairing even if Nook is lying tbh.

This is why I suggested we go for Deli first. If Nanook is bullshitting, it would take both Marmot and I to find out, while a Deli town flip would be enough to catch him if we just assume Esooa is town here.

If it is Deli + Marmot, Kami is likely the last one as their interaction with Deli seemed bad.

If it is NANOOK, Mac is probably a wolf here for flipflopping on NANOOK. Third I dunno. Maybe Gavial?

Deli wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:37 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:36 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:31 pm pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

That's what I felt too.

"oh shit I'm alive" yeah a fucking joyous entry, wtaf is going on.

Nanook/Syn/Creature probably the wolf team, possibly Nanook/Mac/? would make sense since we're getting railroaded.

If NANOOK is wolf here they probably just try to line two mislynches in Marmot and me.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:31 pm pinged by marmot and deli both entering thread with an "oh! what a cool turn of events!" entrance

That's what I felt too.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:14 pm I think Deli probably dies today but let's not have a bad early hammer?

Yeah, I think I'll wait for everybody to weigh in on what they think about lynching Deli first. Not sure if I can really do anything today until the PR claims have been sorted.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:17 pm Still hesitate because Nanook could be scum.
Thus if Deli flips Town I’m omega voting Nanook into a death tunnel tomorrow.

Yep, if Deli flips town NANOOK is probably always wolf here.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:20 pm Fwiw also, if Esooa was a wolf then Mac would probably be the N1K.

aka Deli's JK target N1?

[VOTE: Deli] aubergine

Unless someone thinks Esooa can still be wolf here. Though, in that case I'm way too tired for that scenario.

Still think the most optimal would be to lynch Deli here.

tbh, besides NANOOK, I don't really see any utility left in the remaining PRs as the Sceptre of Arduino seems to be some sort of strongman. If we can sort Deli today, we'll either learn NANOOK is telling the truth and there's confirmed wolf between Marmot and me or we may narrow it down to Esooa/NANOOK and if the latter flips wolf then Marmot and I could still be both town. Otherwise we'll still have to sort between the PRs tomorrow in a possible MyLo if we lynch the wrong one between Marmot and me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:40 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:04 pm Can we agree Esooa is likely town here?

If yes, then I think it may be more optimal for us to always lynch Deli here. If Deli flips jailkeeper then we almost always lynch NANOOK the next day. If Deli flips mafia then we can solve Marmot/me the next day.

Oh, you are voting for me.

But this post is... Odd? If you're town and you believe Nanook's claim, shouldn't I be obvious mafia to you?

There's a chance you might be town if NANOOK is lying here. Hence I want to sort into the PRs first.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:39 pm Well, the Marmot/Creature one is clear, esooa

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I'm curious why Creature isn't voting for me right now.

I'm voting you, but I think it'd be more optimal to lynch Deli first.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:36 pm I'm confused about how the difference is between me/deli and marmot/creature

what are your NAs?

NANOOK is claiming parity cop that got info that Marmot and I are different alignments.

There's also been a doctor, a jailkeeper and a parity cop claim while hollowkatt flipped tracker, so we know one of them is lying.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:33 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:26 pm I kinda just want to simplify things.

If Deli is the one lying then we can clear NANOOK, Esooa and potentially Wiml. We'll also know one of Marmot/me is wolf and the last one should probably be between MacDougall/Gavial/Kami/Syn.

If NANOOK is the one lying then by then we'll only be able to really clear Esooa (assuming we lynch Deli first here). Anyone else could potentially be wolf.

If Esooa is the one lying then this strategy is probably straight out losing. Hence why would like input from everyone.

Why would Wiml only be potentially cleared if Esooa is the doctor and Deli is lying?

Only way Wiml could be mafia here is if wolves decided to nokill N1. Doubt that is the case so would say just cleared.

I kinda just want to simplify things.

If Deli is the one lying then we can clear NANOOK, Esooa and potentially Wiml. We'll also know one of Marmot/me is wolf and the last one should probably be between MacDougall/Gavial/Kami/Syn.

If NANOOK is the one lying then by then we'll only be able to really clear Esooa (assuming we lynch Deli first here). Anyone else could potentially be wolf.

If Esooa is the one lying then this strategy is probably straight out losing. Hence why would like input from everyone.

Can we agree Esooa is likely town here?

If yes, then I think it may be more optimal for us to always lynch Deli here. If Deli flips jailkeeper then we almost always lynch NANOOK the next day. If Deli flips mafia then we can solve Marmot/me the next day.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:15 pm enough people have showed up

being confirmed town is fun

I'm the doctor and I protected wiml. I can self target/consecutive target so I have no real qualms with claiming rn

I doubt Esooa has any mafia motivation to claim doctor here. Esooa seemed pretty good D1 and claiming doctor is probably a death sentence here. The PR lying is probably between Deli and NANOOK. If Deli is the one lying, that means Wiml is probably cleared atp.

We'll prob have to solve Esooa (doctor), Deli (jailkeeper) and NANOOK (parity cop) soon. Considering it is 7v3, unless a kill is prevented, two mislynches should win wolves the game. If NANOOK is the one lying here then Marmot and I could easily be both town set to be mislynched.

Out of those claims I still trust Esooa's the most. Tempted to trust NANOOK's as I can believe these checks.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:14 pm Wish we could've gotten Marmot over yesterday lol

Same tbh. I was thinking they could be wolf last night.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:09 pm Heh

So, scum are pretty fucked

I'm the parity cop i have a difference check between Marmot and creature

HK's flip means there's also a difference check between esooa and deli


Dab

Plausible.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:59 am

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:58 am Wished postcap wasn't a thing, but whatever.

Wot

You're not even close to your cap lol

I know but I self-restricted too much as a result.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

I'd disagree with you until you provide a reason.

the reason is I think deli is lying

That has already been attempted.

Wished postcap wasn't a thing, but whatever.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move

what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

If the claim is false we should find out soon.

How boring.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:14 am [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

I think the VC is off.

The poll is very off.

I am against lynching hollowkatt or Wiml.

I can do any of Syn/falcon/NANOOK. Probably in this order of preference.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:58 am Alright guess we gotta vote elsewhere.

I don't think this clears Mac exactly, but given he's post-cappedn I'm not ready to yeet him

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Yeah, I wouldn't want to lynch him today.

Agree it's weird to see Wiml and Syn as wolves together. Like why?

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:23 pm What’s sad is Syn made a bad read d1, didn’t stop to think about the game setup, and has just tunneled ever since. Is this a wolf trying to seem consistent or a villager who consistently plays anti-town?

I don't think Syn has been consistent this game at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:26 pm I also think that big wall by HK is excessively scummy.

Thought it was pretty towny and agreed with plenty of points there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:46 pm Yeah this game is probably just a town loss.

Mood.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:51 pm kinda wanna kill mac but also won't be caught dead on a wagon with deli and/or kami so that kinda sucks

I think they're all town tbh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:14 pm My problem is that everyone not named esooa or hollowbutt looks scummy, and I'm having a hard time differentiating townies messing around and wolves messing around.

Same. This day is a huge mess.

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:17 pm id be down with nanook/mac/hollow

ordered in preference

Are you still up for NANOOK?

Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:23 pm I mean maybe we resolve the wagons and lunch falcon, but I actually think he has been villagery today in tone,

I dunno.

and Marmot has spiraled downward.

I have the opposite view.

Creature seems fine for lunch, but his tone has also been fine today.

How am I fine for lunch?

The only thing stopping me from saying 100% Syn is that if it is some kind of softed claim we always need to lunch outside of it.

Feels like bullshitting for me, but whatever.

Gavial also seems fine to lunch, they were wolfy d1 the entire time and haven’t improved at all on tone.

Heard something that might point Gavial town, but I have to re-check.

A gavial/wiml/Syn world actually exists tbh. Wiml shielding both of them now that it seems mechanically he is likely clear hmm and tbh not really seeing much gamesolving from wiml as of late, just quips to clear ppl.

I disagree on Wiml here. I think they're pretty towny regardless of Esooa thing.

Aw man this game feels like a chore rn. I'll see what I can do.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:21 pm I’m thinking that Mac/Nanook/Syn/Falcon can’t all be town from this game state.

I can do any of Nanook/Syn/Falcon tbh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:14 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:08 pm One would think that if the gamestate were "wolf dominated", as creature put it, that it would be relatively easy to say who at least some of the wolves are dominating the game.

It's apathy-dominated and some wolves bathing on half-assed pushes.

I don't feel apathetic, but I'm feeling extremely reserved in terms of participating in a long discussion about the game due to the post cap. Since we don't have the ability to rely on a lot of chatting, or even volume-clearing people, I'm relying more on mech information for voting atm (and when I have more time, I'll dive more into ISOs).

That said, esooa's claim and Syn's response is the only mechy thing we have at the moment.

idk the post cap ends making us post way below the actual post cap.

Syn's thing is really distracting for me because I can't tell from which place it comes. Also, why is Mac being wagoned?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:17 pm Tbh, Syn's response is actually anti-indicative of him being a wolf if I was actually the kill target. I doubt he goes down this route if he has TMI that Esooa is telling the truth.

I also don't think anybody will get any more from this Syn discussion now tbh. This is normal Syn behaviour lol.

Syn's normal behavior is to say "this is a lie", keep it as vague as possible and then not do anything about it?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:08 pm One would think that if the gamestate were "wolf dominated", as creature put it, that it would be relatively easy to say who at least some of the wolves are dominating the game.

It's apathy-dominated and some wolves bathing on half-assed pushes.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:54 pm due to the post limit the rest of my focus will be entirely on Falcon and probably who is the mafia with him. Maybe who is mafia is he isn't but I very much doubt that. I'll post again in 24 hours

this is to say, I'm not going to be around to direct people, but if falcon doesn't make towny posts he is dying.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Yeah, I can get behind this.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:54 pmMac prob wolf

Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:03 am still think HK is just town with good reads tbh

When?

Kami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:08 am Kami is laying it on way too thick to be town. At best neg util.

Okay then actually vote me instead of whining about getting caught wolfing

I think Kami is town.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:25 am [VOTE: Kreachur] aubergine

how about this

Really struggling to see Syn town here.

Esooa is town. Wiml is town. I know I'm town.

Leaves:

MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
hollowkatt
Gavial
Kami
Syn
Marmot
falcon45ca
Deli

I'll go from there and see what else I can get.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:39 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:04 am Vote Count 2.2

MacDougall (3) - Deli, Kami, Gavial
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - MacDougall
Deli (1) - hollowkatt
Syn (1) - Marmot
falcon45ca (1) - Esooa
Creature (1) - Syn

Not Voting (4) - Creature, falcon45ca, Wiml, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to execute.



Current Post Counts

MacDougall - 85 / 91 (6 left)
Esooa - 89 / 100 (11 left)
Syn - 61 / 73 (12 left)
hollowkatt - 70 / 90 (20 left)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 47 / 69 (22 left)
Kami - 46 / 75 (29 left)
Gavial - 65 / 96 (31 left)
Deli - 66 / 98 (32 left)
Wiml - 67 / 100 (33 left)
Creature - 52 / 92 (40 left)
Marmot - 42 / 83 (41 left)
falcon45ca - 45 / 91 (46 left)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: VOTE CREATURE] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:32 am I endorse a creature push

Yeah, this gamestate is utterly terrible and wolf-dominated.

The gamestate is wolf dominated? By whom? Who are the wolves dominating the game plz?

The Mac wagon looks really half-assed and I feel like there's enough town apathy for the wolves to handle things here.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:25 am [VOTE: Kreachur] aubergine

how about this

So I can safely assume your "Esooa is lying" was bullshit?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:26 pm I saw a post that happened to be hk that seemed wolfy. I said it was.

Gavial is different here to what I'm used to.

Nanook seems different here too.

I don't care about Kami. Kami can go off.

I don't think Mac is wolf. At least not while I mindmeld with their reads.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:04 am Vote Count 2.2

MacDougall (3) - Deli, Kami, Gavial
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1) - MacDougall
Deli (1) - hollowkatt
Syn (1) - Marmot
falcon45ca (1) - Esooa
Creature (1) - Syn

Not Voting (4) - Creature, falcon45ca, Wiml, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to execute.



Current Post Counts

MacDougall - 85 / 91 (6 left)
Esooa - 89 / 100 (11 left)
Syn - 61 / 73 (12 left)
hollowkatt - 70 / 90 (20 left)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 47 / 69 (22 left)
Kami - 46 / 75 (29 left)
Gavial - 65 / 96 (31 left)
Deli - 66 / 98 (32 left)
Wiml - 67 / 100 (33 left)
Creature - 52 / 92 (40 left)
Marmot - 42 / 83 (41 left)
falcon45ca - 45 / 91 (46 left)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: VOTE CREATURE] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:32 am I endorse a creature push

Yeah, this gamestate is utterly terrible and wolf-dominated.

Yawn it's quite a drop from D1.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:03 pm Gavial, knowing hk he's seriously just town here. His push on me wasn't fake. I can describe it with some choice language but ingenuine and driven to push a protective claim isn't part of that.

Okay, I'll take your word.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:19 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:10 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:57 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:49 pm I think Marmot's vote is the most justified here, although I'm not sure where to lean on Marmot. I voted igno mostly because of what Marmot pointed about igno and falcon. Esooa is probably my strongest townread rn. So if there's wolf in there, I'd look at Gavial and Wiml.

why me

I have wolfed with you and this game doesn't resemble your wolf game.

wiml is basically playing the exact same game as me. What do you think of that?

I'm not sure on Wiml. I had them as town earlier because of some of their unpopular stances, but Mac has been telling me Wiml can easily do that as wolf while I don't know Wiml's wolfgame.

I mean... not only is Esooa claiming a successful doc protect on me but if you read the conversation earlier properly between you and Mac it's clear that Mac has never seen me wolf lol. The only person who has in this game is Esooa I believe. That's not a good reason at all for flipping a read on me.

I have more stuff to say wrt my reads but I'll wait until the morning honestly.

Yeah, unless Syn specifies exactly where Esooa is lying, I'll suppose you're town here.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 pm If someone is being completely open about what happened and the other is being vague as fuck I think it's pretty obvious whose telling the truth

Yes, this.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:29 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:58 pm Oh god the logic here is painful

This is why we don't call un-cced claims liars unless we have actual mech reason to

esooa is lying

open your heart and accept the truth

If you have something just say it, therer's no point in hiding it at this rate.

I did say it

You only said Esooa lied, but you didn't bring why.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:54 pm I wonder what would happen if I went here...
[VOTE: Hollowcat] aubergine

Meh.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:58 pm Oh god the logic here is painful

This is why we don't call un-cced claims liars unless we have actual mech reason to

esooa is lying

open your heart and accept the truth

If you have something just say it, therer's no point in hiding it at this rate.

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:59 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

opps

Tempting.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:59 pm This is incredibly painful to read lol.

I know. It's so frustrating.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:15 pm enough people have showed up

being confirmed town is fun

I'm the doctor and I protected wiml. I can self target/consecutive target so I have no real qualms with claiming rn

this is a lie

???

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:39 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:37 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:36 pm syns basically claiming parity cop

How do you get to this

because there's no other reasons to believe my claim is a lie than a red on wiml + that tracks with his attitude today, opening with who is his town core

There's no red check afaik. There's the possibility of a parity cop that will probably only have a concrete result by N2.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:50 pm yes deli, i, a wolf, publicly in thread, said esooa is a liar because i tried to NK someone else and i couldn't let a lie stand

big brain time

Yeah, but why is Esooa a liar?