The Syndicate

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:21 pm I had shot Drago in the night for backstabbing me xd

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:16 pm Best defence in the NFL don't even try me

That title goes to the Patriots my good sir.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:57 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:23 pm I'm kinda scared to play as scum on this forum after this game. Seeing how y'all so easily town read me, if I make the slightest meta change, y'all would catch me.

That’s been something I’ve had to work through for a very long time.

A suggestion if you want it: don’t change what you do as a civilian to make your life easier as a mafioso. Instead, work to elevate your playing energy as a mafioso to a comparable level. There may be bumps along the way, but the effort will make you all the better as an overall Mafia player.

You did a great job in this game. Getting out of mislynch range, making reads with confidence, and adjusting those reads as the game moves around you — that’s just about all you can do.

Thanks for the advice man.

I'm kinda scared to play as scum on this forum after this game. Seeing how y'all so easily town read me, if I make the slightest meta change, y'all would catch me.

Thanks for the game Speed. It was fun and yeah, it was total luck what exchanged between Epi and I with me targeting him.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:41 am Have the both of you voting for Jack even read the last page and a half?

MacDougall gave up?

Bruh. Just read the last page.

Have the both of you voting for Jack even read the last page and a half?

Sorry Speed.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:33 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:29 pm I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Uh wait what? This is illegal tho??

How? I never claimed. Didn't even hint at anything.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:58 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:37 pm If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

To be clear, I have never subbed out. When I sign up, I play.

This situation gave me the opportunity to snake my way to victory except that you claimed I was bad in a way that I was not coming back from. No need to waste anyone's time.

Ah well. I understand that I guess.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:36 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 pm Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?

I am doing the honorable thing and acknowledging when I am beat. There's no "throwing" involved.

But it's not like I put you in a situation that you couldn't get out of though.

If you're really mafia then this is disappointing. You could have subbed out if you can't play man.

Wait, what? Are you game-throwing?

I can't explain why. It has to deal with the claiming stuff. Just trust me.

Epi is scum.

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

Damn.

Considering that there's no restriction to claiming, I assume it's safe to do so right? If so, the person who's character is Morgana. Please claim for me. This is important. Don't ask why. Just do it.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:19 pm You may have a point though. Also I just skimmed through Tony's ISO again and very little of it makes any damn sense.

Back to [VOTE: tony] aubergine

This here my boys, is the bus vote. Or distance vote. Whatever you wanna call it.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:02 pm Mac is just piggying drago though which is not a great reason. I'm basically fine with a tony lynch but I just feel like it's the lukewarm option and lynching jay would be more interesting.

This is a bad post for Nutella. She opens herself up to lynching Tony as if to go with the consensus but wants Jay lynched instead. The soft attempt at trying to redirect and switch ppl's attention is off-putting. It's not too hard cause mafia just won't do that but it's soft and low-key which is what mafia would do. I know this is wifomish but you can understand right? Also, interesting as the reason for why we should go to Jay is super weak and I'm not liking it.

Tho, tbh, I'm feeling Jack more as TSP's buddy. I'm indecisive about who I should pick here.

Told you Jay was town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:48 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:45 pm I'm gonna lower it down further to Nutella and Jack.

Well that’s problematic.

Why do you trust Epi?

Why do you not trust me and Nutella?

Nutella having a post restriction (I think) makes her fall into her scum meta in a way that isn’t actually her scum meta. Like she coasts way more as a wolf.

Epi is calm, collected. Just doesn't give a fuck. I don't see that kinda approach to the game in a wolf who's all by himself and has to get the win against all the odds. He's very accepting of his lynch. Though tbh, out of all these players, I find him most likely to kill LC as that kill just to me didn't have any strategy involved in it and that matches with Epi's carefree tone.

I haven't trusted you since D1 and you haven't changed that lack of trust from me so naturally, it carries on to here. I just don't like Nutella as I used, I will iso her in a bit to explain more of my thoughts.

My experiences with Nutella as scum haven't been like this. She coasted in those games yes(usually after trying to contribute early on), but not this much. So this is kind of a bad meta read.

We should all pick our top 2 persons which we have the strongest wolf reads on. I've already listed mine. Interested in seeing what you guys got.

I'm gonna lower it down further to Nutella and Jack.

Epi, Jack, Nutella, Jay(just throwing this in here as you guys seem to love suspecting him) and Creature. The scum is here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:37 pm Kinda annoyed Rej lynched himself but we probably still can make a winning POE pretty easily considering my townreads on Nutella, Mac and Drago.

Probably 7 players in the morning which is probably 6 vs 1. 3 starting scum plus an indy means only 7 starting townies, which is pretty harsh odds to I'm assuming there is only 1 left.

So we should have 3 tries to find the baddie. That's totally doable.

Linki: Bad what?

Not too comfortable with Nutella being in there. I'd replace her with Jay or Sprityo. Or both.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:37 pm Kinda annoyed Rej lynched himself but we probably still can make a winning POE pretty easily considering my townreads on Nutella, Mac and Drago.

Probably 7 players in the morning which is probably 6 vs 1. 3 starting scum plus an indy means only 7 starting townies, which is pretty harsh odds to I'm assuming there is only 1 left.

So we should have 3 tries to find the baddie. That's totally doable.

Linki: Bad what?

As in mafia. As in Tony's partner.

So...she's not fine?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] congrats on becoming a father man!

I think Jack is our remaining mafioso here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:27 pm Imagine if both leading wagons were townies. I'd be mad.

What is your read on Epignosis?

Town.

Imagine if both leading wagons were townies. I'd be mad.

This is going to be fun.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:32 am How long does DP last? There is scum on my wagon.

You are correct. That scum is you!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:47 am [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Why change?

I gotta go to sleep now cause school and my laptop is at 2%. Peace. Lynch Rej.

Tbh, I don't pay enough attention to Rej's overall playstyle to have it embedded in my brain.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:11 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:01 am [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

What took you so long to get to this point?

I was calling for his lynch yesterday.

But your vote was on Epi

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:09 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:32 pm I believe that you believe in what you're saying Dragomir, but I think it's misguided. Rej's suspicion of you, which I find disagreeable and reliant upon considerable stretches, is still difficult to associate with some kind of mafia "agenda". If a mafia Rej is doing this, I think it'd have to be because a mafia Rej feels like doing it. Strategically speaking, spending his time and resources working against you is unlikely to net your lynch given your stature in other players' reads. If Rej wants to be rid of you for some reason, it's hard to understand why his chosen approach would be "kill Long Con and then pursue a Dragomir lynch" instead of just "kill Dragomir".

Why kill me? I'm pretty sure everyone and their mother thought I'd be protected. I don't think he actually wants to get me lynched. He's just trying to spend his time he knows ain't getting lynched to look contributive. He's trying to pull what TSP did and evidently by this exact post of yours, it's working. Why town read Rej? I don't get it.

I think I agree with you now. Regardless of whether you're lynched (highly unlikely), Rej's hunting efforts this phase have been almost exclusively low-probability tinfoils and WIFOM. In that regard the contributions, while novel, can be questioned for their actual value. I don't know him as a player -- do you view him as someone inclined toward unorthodox theorizing?

He does theorize a lot as both alignments but as town it's more on the setup and he does less tinfoil and more game-solving. I've never seen this much tinfoil and wifom from him before tho.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:39 pm yes drago changed in his playstyle, this is indiscussable, is there mafia abilities that forces someone to lead a mislynch for them? out of curiosity.

else based on my day 1 suspicion on Epignosis I feel free to enter the epignosis wagon whenever I please, I can always come back to it plus add my D2 thoughts and feels to it.

I would have no problems to vote Dragomir, as he could also provide info to the civillians, I am so torn and for me personally it is hard to find a new option.

[VOTE: novote] aubergine

My playstyle at its backbone is still the same that you are familiar with from OJ/TB. It's just got a different "mood" to it.

I need an essay explaining the awkwardness in my Rej engagements cause I 100% strongly disagree.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:01 am [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

What took you so long to get to this point?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:32 pm I believe that you believe in what you're saying Dragomir, but I think it's misguided. Rej's suspicion of you, which I find disagreeable and reliant upon considerable stretches, is still difficult to associate with some kind of mafia "agenda". If a mafia Rej is doing this, I think it'd have to be because a mafia Rej feels like doing it. Strategically speaking, spending his time and resources working against you is unlikely to net your lynch given your stature in other players' reads. If Rej wants to be rid of you for some reason, it's hard to understand why his chosen approach would be "kill Long Con and then pursue a Dragomir lynch" instead of just "kill Dragomir".

Why kill me? I'm pretty sure everyone and their mother thought I'd be protected. I don't think he actually wants to get me lynched. He's just trying to spend his time he knows ain't getting lynched to look contributive. He's trying to pull what TSP did and evidently by this exact post of yours, it's working. Why town read Rej? I don't get it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:10 pm If there is only one Mafioso left then your "There's mafioso on this wagon" post doesn't really hold water imo.

Why not?

If there's one mafioso and it's [not Epignosis], it could be anyone voting for Epignosis (or otherwise). Rej joining the wagon means little other than you already suspected him and now it gives you the willies. Do you suspect Rej more than you suspect Epignosis in isolation?

I don't even suspect Epi.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:39 pm yes drago changed in his playstyle, this is indiscussable, is there mafia abilities that forces someone to lead a mislynch for them? out of curiosity.

else based on my day 1 suspicion on Epignosis I feel free to enter the epignosis wagon whenever I please, I can always come back to it plus add my D2 thoughts and feels to it.

I would have no problems to vote Dragomir, as he could also provide info to the civillians, I am so torn and for me personally it is hard to find a new option.

[VOTE: novote] aubergine

Rej, stop bullshitting about it. You know I'm town. There's no info to be gain from my lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:13 pm Let's lynch Epi, if he flips town then we lynch Rej next DP does that sound like a good deal?

At this stage you were evidently happy to lynch Epi. That you also suspected Rej is known.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:25 pm [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

And as soon as Rej put his vote on Epi then you're off him and back to Rej? I do not understand why Rej voting Epi should alter your perspective there. You already suspected him. Either he is town and agreeing with your ultimatum (which is my opinion) or he's a Mafia going along with your plan anyway, so you should be happy? The sudden reaction doesn't make sense.

Your pretext for agreeing to the Epi wagon and your vote there was so flimsy that Rej simply voting there caused you to move your vote. That means you were never serious about being okay with Epi being lynched in the first place. Therefore it makes that post scummy.

Because I suspect Rej and him voting for Epi pretty much confirms Epi as town in my eyes. So why would I stay on it? The sudden reaction makes perfect sense and my post is not scummy. Yeah, I was never really serious with Epi being lynched. I was frustrated how y'all didn't give a shit about Rej so I wanted to propose a deal and if it worked out, we could start giving a shit about Rej.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:10 pm If there is only one Mafioso left then your "There's mafioso on this wagon" post doesn't really hold water imo.

Why not?

Can't see the image.

Rej's flip flop of reads on me does not feel genuine. He tries coming after me with nothing and then looking at how it picking up any heat, he goes back to a town read like he's scared of fully pursuing the idea of me being scum. Now he's going BACK to the idea of me being scum once Mac is questioning me just on this page. He's going in circles. He wants to come after me but needs support from townies to do it.

Add this to the list of reasons of why Rej is bad.

And Mac, I believe there's only 1 mafioso left.

Now I'm actually mad. Have you guys even been paying attention to my posts? If you have, you would clearly see and REMEMBER how I've been pushing for Rej and the REASONING behind it. I've made multiple posts calling Rej out for scummy stuff which only Jay has evidently paid attention to. I made one big post giving all my reasoning against Rej.

Now Mr. Tinfoil and No Reason is really trying hit me up with a lack of effort argument smh.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:25 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:15 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

How do you determine it? Time for your tinfoil dragoboi.

Simple. You're the scum on the wagon.

Yes? More please!

That's it.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 pm I'm not voting for Epi no more. There's a scum on that wagon.

How do you determine it? Time for your tinfoil dragoboi.

Simple. You're the scum on the wagon.