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Same here. I am from Africa as well, but immigrating to the states got me saying the word in like every sentence.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 4:59 am @Dragomir what's up i'm black too
i don't feel entitled to using the n-word in any variation though because my parents and older sisters were born in africa. my roots ain't here (the states) man
That one vote could be used on her instead of Sabie.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:00 amMy opinion on her hasn't changed but I only have one vote.
If this was lights out, we'd be halfway to a win by now.
Wait what? You're admitting to being a cultist now?Ultra wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:52 amBut I was townie D1, right?Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:13 amHe's not in my scum reads, nor my town reads either so he's neutral.
Wait a minute.
The town Ultra I am familiar with is absolutely not this passive and he always had a presence in the thread. He was a town leader that interacted with a lot of the players and is productive. There's a severe lack in all that in this game.
Obv I got converted
Read the post on how I find how she approached the Sloonei lynch to be bad.Luxurious wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:55 am It’s a lot of words though and you’re not usually too Vocal about stuff so idk it’s not exactly but you were hard defending her and now that she’s not hard pushing Sloonei anymore because he’s not gonna be lynched there you really jumped on her for it.
Like why Isnt That Town? Because there’s not an opportunistic mislynch anymore? Because she’s suddenly aware of the gap sloonei would leave in the thread should he actually be town?
Expound
He's not in my scum reads, nor my town reads either so he's neutral.
Ok, first of all stop calling me Dragomir. Call me Drago.Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:11 pmLike why is Dragomir now town reading sloonei when he was so sure Sloonei was scum, argued with Mac about it (i say this loosely since he said “go look at my iso for why”) and then doesn’t elaborate on why the sudden switch when he has been more or less scum reading Sloonei all last day phase?
What happened here dragomir?
Yeah.Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:16 pmWhat does not properly read his ISO mean?Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:36 amI didn't properly read Sloonei's iso, then I did after Nutella talked to me.Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 2:06 amAnother thing I have to consider about this post specifically is that there was “no issue” with Sloonei’s ISO until nutella retorted to which Dragomir then went through his ISO and made comments on itDragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:44 amI first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.Like right here, not a single clue what he was trying to say here. Looks like like a bunch of words to look more in-depth with iso.The player called Sloonei is grilling nutella a little bit. Nothing serious, but the directness of the final question in this exchange suggests attentiveness on his part. nutella gives it a casual sidestep, leaning (it would seem) more toward the "General town read", but with enough resistance in the "roll of foil" comment to avoid rolling over completely. I would file this under "downplaying pressure".
Next we go to this here. This I believe to be a super trivial reason to say that you're going after the low-hanging fruit. I mean, one would really have to stretch out your sarcasm say the bolded part. Even with that, one really can't get the line of logic there. Also, at least from what I read, you made no push or any questioning/prodding directed at Sprit, going after the low-hanging fruit doesn't really work here as a reason.sprityo drops in and drops out. I don't object to keeping tabs on him and putting pressure on him to post more. What bothers me about this is the bluntness of nutella's response. She's being purposefully oppositional toward sprit. It looks more like she's putting a tab on future suspect than she is trying to wrangle content out of a quiet player. File this under "low-hanging fruit".
Only part of his post where he actually starts making sense imo. I can get how Mata falls into a low-hanging fruit category and the MafiaMenace part. But that last sentenced, the bolded I don't understand. @Sloonei what do you mean by that? So this is basically the only part of the post that I like, and it's pretty meh.I have no direct objections to her Mac suspicion here, so I've cut it out of the post. But it exists and I don't want to seem like I'm dismissing it.
Matahari and MafiaMenace are low-hanging fruit here. Mata falls into the same category as sprit. She goes after MafiaMenace for his focus on mechanics to that point, which is something I've already commented on. These are not particularly inspired suspicions.
So yeah, I can grill him more but you get the point. And about your response, I'll get to that soonish.
Dragomir, why were these specifically important to point out after nutella’s comment? Why werent they an issue before?
Like you skimmed it and went “wow that looks like a good post even though I didnt actually read it”
It's civ on wolf.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:47 am @Sloonei it's hard to describe, but it was this post here. Just doesn't feel like hot civ on civ action.
After sleeping on my theory, I'm not so sure anymore. I was thinking it over and realized that alternate team interactions may be in play if Lux or Hazlenut is also bad but on the other team.Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pmI said earlier today that I would probably vote Lux. But I tried to give her time to defend herself or point out other suspects.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:57 pmSaving Nutella I see. Or maybe Cooler? Might even be both.
Can you explain me your thought process from being baffled at the suspicion against Luxy but now voting her cause no defense(even though she hasn't been put in a position where she needs to defend herself again).
I think you just went from town reading Luxy for town cred to trying to save your buddy.
She hasn’t.
Perhaps we kill them both (being dragomir and matahari) and I'll be content.
For shenanigans sake I'm swapping votes.
I refuse to explain reads that I have already explicitly explained last DP, so if you want to find out my reads on Wilgy, Mata, Sloonei, and Nutella go iso me. As for Long Con, he's been coasting too much for my preference.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:38 amSoz I mean why to all six. As in can you elaborate further on each of your reads please. I share your Lux town read so I don't give a crap about that. I am curious about your Sloonei read though.
Cause I felt like giving 6.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:36 amy6
I didn't properly read Sloonei's iso, then I did after Nutella talked to me.Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 2:06 amAnother thing I have to consider about this post specifically is that there was “no issue” with Sloonei’s ISO until nutella retorted to which Dragomir then went through his ISO and made comments on itDragomir wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 3:44 amI first I thought he made valid statements, but thinking about it now, I was rather fooled by his in-depth analysis. Now reading back on it, half of what he said doesn't make any sense.Like right here, not a single clue what he was trying to say here. Looks like like a bunch of words to look more in-depth with iso.The player called Sloonei is grilling nutella a little bit. Nothing serious, but the directness of the final question in this exchange suggests attentiveness on his part. nutella gives it a casual sidestep, leaning (it would seem) more toward the "General town read", but with enough resistance in the "roll of foil" comment to avoid rolling over completely. I would file this under "downplaying pressure".
Next we go to this here. This I believe to be a super trivial reason to say that you're going after the low-hanging fruit. I mean, one would really have to stretch out your sarcasm say the bolded part. Even with that, one really can't get the line of logic there. Also, at least from what I read, you made no push or any questioning/prodding directed at Sprit, going after the low-hanging fruit doesn't really work here as a reason.sprityo drops in and drops out. I don't object to keeping tabs on him and putting pressure on him to post more. What bothers me about this is the bluntness of nutella's response. She's being purposefully oppositional toward sprit. It looks more like she's putting a tab on future suspect than she is trying to wrangle content out of a quiet player. File this under "low-hanging fruit".
Only part of his post where he actually starts making sense imo. I can get how Mata falls into a low-hanging fruit category and the MafiaMenace part. But that last sentenced, the bolded I don't understand. @Sloonei what do you mean by that? So this is basically the only part of the post that I like, and it's pretty meh.I have no direct objections to her Mac suspicion here, so I've cut it out of the post. But it exists and I don't want to seem like I'm dismissing it.
Matahari and MafiaMenace are low-hanging fruit here. Mata falls into the same category as sprit. She goes after MafiaMenace for his focus on mechanics to that point, which is something I've already commented on. These are not particularly inspired suspicions.
So yeah, I can grill him more but you get the point. And about your response, I'll get to that soonish.
Dragomir, why were these specifically important to point out after nutella’s comment? Why werent they an issue before?
Nutella scum, Sloonei scum, Mata scum, Luxy town. Long Con maybe scum. Wilgy scum too.
You're here, what are your reads?sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:36 pmDifferent games sometimes do allow that. It depends on the host or the dynamics of the game.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:59 pmSure, but you guys are still playing similarly now with no info-dumping, role claims or night kills. But ay, I guess that's your forum's culture. Jutst gotta accept it.juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:54 pmYou are right Dragomir just keep in mind LC is talking about how we operated 10+ years ago. Things have changed a lot since then.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:49 pmIt's not like*Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:08 pmIt's not you can't make scum powerful enough to counter those cops. A couple invest immune baddies, framers, baddies that if investigated have it be redirected to specifically a townie. It doesn't ruin the game if you're creative.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 pm Much of where this site came from was birthed in Lostpedia Forums many years ago. One man brought this Mafia game to the forum, and a good group latched on and began developing games off the original formula, which didn't reveal the roles of nightkilled folk. This was just the normal way Mafia was played. We developed our Mafia methods over the years, across several forums, mostly unaware of the existence of a larger Mafia community on the Internet until a few years ago.
We developed some general rules, like no info-dumping or role-claiming, because such things were perceived to be ruining the game. A baddie team could spend the whole game masterfully crafting a sweet win, only to be tanked by Blurting Bob and his info role. It was regarded as cheap. Most games over the years have been open setup role madness, as well.
Now, we sometimes can claim, sometimes not. Some open, some closed. Some simple, some madness. Some janitored nightkills, some not. Some games are such offshoots that they barely resemble Mafia anymore.
Sure, but you guys are still playing similarly now with no info-dumping, role claims or night kills. But ay, I guess that's your forum's culture. Jutst gotta accept it.juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:54 pmYou are right Dragomir just keep in mind LC is talking about how we operated 10+ years ago. Things have changed a lot since then.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:49 pmIt's not like*Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:08 pmIt's not you can't make scum powerful enough to counter those cops. A couple invest immune baddies, framers, baddies that if investigated have it be redirected to specifically a townie. It doesn't ruin the game if you're creative.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 pm Much of where this site came from was birthed in Lostpedia Forums many years ago. One man brought this Mafia game to the forum, and a good group latched on and began developing games off the original formula, which didn't reveal the roles of nightkilled folk. This was just the normal way Mafia was played. We developed our Mafia methods over the years, across several forums, mostly unaware of the existence of a larger Mafia community on the Internet until a few years ago.
We developed some general rules, like no info-dumping or role-claiming, because such things were perceived to be ruining the game. A baddie team could spend the whole game masterfully crafting a sweet win, only to be tanked by Blurting Bob and his info role. It was regarded as cheap. Most games over the years have been open setup role madness, as well.
Now, we sometimes can claim, sometimes not. Some open, some closed. Some simple, some madness. Some janitored nightkills, some not. Some games are such offshoots that they barely resemble Mafia anymore.
It's not like*Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:08 pmIt's not you can't make scum powerful enough to counter those cops. A couple invest immune baddies, framers, baddies that if investigated have it be redirected to specifically a townie. It doesn't ruin the game if you're creative.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 pm Much of where this site came from was birthed in Lostpedia Forums many years ago. One man brought this Mafia game to the forum, and a good group latched on and began developing games off the original formula, which didn't reveal the roles of nightkilled folk. This was just the normal way Mafia was played. We developed our Mafia methods over the years, across several forums, mostly unaware of the existence of a larger Mafia community on the Internet until a few years ago.
We developed some general rules, like no info-dumping or role-claiming, because such things were perceived to be ruining the game. A baddie team could spend the whole game masterfully crafting a sweet win, only to be tanked by Blurting Bob and his info role. It was regarded as cheap. Most games over the years have been open setup role madness, as well.
Now, we sometimes can claim, sometimes not. Some open, some closed. Some simple, some madness. Some janitored nightkills, some not. Some games are such offshoots that they barely resemble Mafia anymore.
It's not you can't make scum powerful enough to counter those cops. A couple invest immune baddies, framers, baddies that if investigated have it be redirected to specifically a townie. It doesn't ruin the game if you're creative.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 pm Much of where this site came from was birthed in Lostpedia Forums many years ago. One man brought this Mafia game to the forum, and a good group latched on and began developing games off the original formula, which didn't reveal the roles of nightkilled folk. This was just the normal way Mafia was played. We developed our Mafia methods over the years, across several forums, mostly unaware of the existence of a larger Mafia community on the Internet until a few years ago.
We developed some general rules, like no info-dumping or role-claiming, because such things were perceived to be ruining the game. A baddie team could spend the whole game masterfully crafting a sweet win, only to be tanked by Blurting Bob and his info role. It was regarded as cheap. Most games over the years have been open setup role madness, as well.
Now, we sometimes can claim, sometimes not. Some open, some closed. Some simple, some madness. Some janitored nightkills, some not. Some games are such offshoots that they barely resemble Mafia anymore.
Nutella wasn't lynched.
You defended Luxy in one post, then completely contradict yourself in a later post. You first say that Luxy's defense was more civ like but then complain that she's not defending herself hard enough and need to do more town related things? The hell?Matahari wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pmI said earlier today that I would probably vote Lux. But I tried to give her time to defend herself or point out other suspects.Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:57 pmSaving Nutella I see. Or maybe Cooler? Might even be both.
Can you explain me your thought process from being baffled at the suspicion against Luxy but now voting her cause no defense(even though she hasn't been put in a position where she needs to defend herself again).
I think you just went from town reading Luxy for town cred to trying to save your buddy.
She hasn’t.
Saving Nutella I see. Or maybe Cooler? Might even be both.
