The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 4:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 12:05 pm N1: Jay is jked and there’s no kill
D6: Jay is not being lynched for some reason.

Gg mafia. You earned it.

He was also doctor protected, but yeah, I should have revisited it. Wasn't there also a roleblocker in the game somewhere, but they didn't claim, or I don't remember them claiming. oops

Jailkeeper would have protected him regardless.

My point is if the mafia tried to kill Jay N1, why did they not try to kill him on the following 4 nights?

Because they didn’t try to kill him N1 either.

Yeah, when he didn't die night 2, I guess part of me wondered if mafia was afraid that the kill wouldn't go through again or JJJ wasn't looking in the right spot. But sometimes it takes an experience like this to really bring it home that jay should not be alive on those later days.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 12:05 pm N1: Jay is jked and there’s no kill
D6: Jay is not being lynched for some reason.

Gg mafia. You earned it.

He was also doctor protected, but yeah, I should have revisited it. Wasn't there also a roleblocker in the game somewhere, but they didn't claim, or I don't remember them claiming. oops

I'm disappointed/frustrated sure, not really "sad", Mac; I didn't play my best. I feel better about this game than the previous game I played here.

I didn't use a QT this game. Usually, most games, I do take a bunch of notes; that could have made a difference. But who knows?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:26 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Also, I plan on starting a sopranos game soon on The Millennium Forums. No exact date yet. If any of you would be interested in that.

Feel free to link us there. We've also got a thread for off-site games here, if you feel like advertising to everyone on the Syndicate. We only bite a little bit.

I may check it out, but I'm not sure I can sign up for this game right now. A) Because I'm not sure I can fit another game into my schedule at the moment, and B) because The Sopranos is near the very top of my Shows I Should Watch list and I don't want to risk exposing myself to spoilers before I get to it.

I'll have a large game coming up on PerC in a month or so. So I guess I'll advertise there when the time comes. I'm so glad I don't have to play mafia another day; I didn't have a plan going into today.

And feelsbadman, I'm always like the last mislynch before town loses the game.

Tracking JJJ did cross my mind; I don't remember the exact argument in my head as to why I landed on nova instead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:12 pm And I do agree this setup is shit.

The setup needs work or has a learning curve to play it effectively.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:52 pm I also think that the build, at least in this sites meta, favoured us. No night chat was a big deal.

I have mixed feelings. On balance, I don't like the setup. Randomizing alignments to this set of roles means that the game can be super skewed in either direction depending upon the dice.

In our case, I think the mafia team had one significant disadvantage: we couldn't kill anyone we wanted to kill until Night 5. Two jailers, two doctors, one JOAT, two trackers, and two watchers -- holy hell we had to tip toe around every damned thing to get anything done.

Locked nights were a huge advantage for us though. Just imagine if DDL had been able to rip us a new asshole on Night 5 before we killed him. That made a big difference in this game.

So Lux did block the kill then I assume? *hasn't looked at mafia QT yet*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:44 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart, I'm sorry for the way this one ended. I'm so glad we got to play a game together again though. You always make games better.

You were far too happy yesterday; it has been awhile since I last played against a scum who unconsciously showed or acted in a happy manner. I haven't played a lot this year. I have been kind off mafia lately. But I can get townie sometimes. But being confirmed most of the game isn't that normal for me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 9:55 pm I have a feeling many of the corpses and neutral observers knew that I was bad. I definitely played this one to my audience -- a game filled with newcomers. To people who don't know me, Diet Supertown Jimmy is still a considerable effort.

People need to learn there is a difference between physical and emotional effort.

ISOs and all the other busywork you did take a lot of physical effort. That's why I said I commended you for it regardlessly of your alignment. But what separates the civs from the baddies is the emotional effort. Actually lying and convincing people you are hunting with a straight face. I didn't feel like you were actually connected with the game like I did in the 10 times I played with civ you.

Welp, 2 out of 3 games I was right about lynching Jay. Not perfect but I guess I'm onto something.

I think before I claimed there was some posts where Jay was kind of shading me that didn't feel the greatest, or were more "pushy?" than reading posts, but I'm not to to sure about that. I think I'm better off in some ways when I'm not confirmed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm I was 100% certain of Jay and Nutella when I came back at the last second.

Still wouldn't have gotten Mac.

Sorry speedy..

Nutella's comment about it would be alright to vote for rdw I kind of read as nutella thinks or knows rdw is town. My head just didn't process this quick enough to call them scum.

And rdw voting on DDL, I figured kind of had to not be scum, as the scum qt would have made rdw put their vote elsewhere.

You telling me that you could see some scum hunting from me was very heart warming, but I was truly afraid of the pocket.

And I think part of me also thought someone bussed Ultra. But somewhere I got into my head that Jay doesn't bus; I'm glad that next time I won't be holding back on that.

I guess thinking about the anti-trust fall that I did. I didn't have anything super strong on Mac, so I guess I might have a tell for him now. But I fell for the town DDL claim, as Soneji had previously said or supported that this was a town DDL.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Game Over

Mafia wins.

Congratulations to: JaggedJimmyJay, Macdougall, nutella, and Ultra.

And thank you to all of you who made this such a compelling, active, and competitive game. The scoreboard may not reflect it, but town was within inches of turning this thing completely around multiple times. I'd especially like to thank everyone who signed up here for this game from other sites. You all were great and you're welcome to join us for future games as well.

I'm glad. I pushed on Jay day 1. Last night, I was thinking that nutella was scum. Mac, I didn't have. I can't remember if I scum read him earlier in the game though.

But Jay and Nutella were on a bunch of wagons together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 6:55 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 6:53 pm but speedy saying "to lynch jay if he dies" sounds more like a plea to jay that jay if town should not be voting him?!?!? But I wish I knew them better.

That really doesn't mean anything to me. I've seen mafia members make leave parting ultimatums like that more than once.

Yeah, I've seen it too. I guess I'm scared of the reality where he is town.

[VOTE: speedy] aubergine

RDW's votes have him consistently not teamed with Drago...maybe he misvoted on DDL instead of Drago...but then I think he was reading drago in a more positive light.

but why is there less people around...that's worrisome

but i'm also more of a wildcard so someone would have to pocket me though, but epi didn't pocket me and I should have just trusted him...smh...idk...I want to be more sure of myself

Or maybe drago is town, but then the world is like RDW, Dr. Wigly, nutella or speedy instead of nutella.

but speedy saying "to lynch jay if he dies" sounds more like a plea to jay that jay if town should not be voting him?!?!? But I wish I knew them better.

speedy's approach to reading me town also worries me though...it has the potential to be pockety which people generally don't do that with me, but idk rdw voting on ddl is very weird...but then again wouldn't teammates tell me the situation and not to vote there?!?!? so what if he's town....and he did vote on drago earlier though

*dragomir's vote

I [VOTE: rdw] aubergine. That might change. Idk.

I can see a world with RDW and Dragomir

At this point, I don't think speedy is with dragomir; they could be distancing though.

But Dragomir's before puts him not with speedy.

jay's emotes worry me, can you be less happy 'cause I feel nervous..

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 6:33 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart the fate of mankind rests on your shoulders.

No pressure.

thinks back to mislynching jessie

*so much pressure* *so many worlds*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:47 pm Owner of a Lonely Heart, you left us a number of posts in sequence pertaining to speedchuck suspicion, and you left your vote on Dragomir. Where exactly do you stand on the two of them right now?

Dragomir is my stronger read. I'm not sure what to make of Dragomir putting a world with me with speedy. RDW liking Dragomir recently is not my favorite thing to read. But that could be a connection between them.

Speedy's "if I die lynch jay tomorrow does pull at some heartstrings"

I guess I have an alternate world with jay, nutella, and dragomir. Jay has been on a lot of town mislynches and is still alive. (sorry jay, but the thoughts are there)

But speedy's posts did kind of link to ultra's hmm.

sorry was exhausted when I got home last night, but now I have church and Mother's Day stuff.

I'll be sleeping then working then I'll try to be back in here.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

I wish I knew or understood who ultra is saying "defended him far too soon". I guess I wonder if he confused players or something. That's probably stretch...meh...I need to sleep soon...like I probably said an hour ago

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

but then speedy votes for Ultra...hmm

and leaves for a period of time

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scum do vote for scum too as it feels safe to do so with the potential benefit of getting town cred *I need to think more on this.*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:07 pm

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

Ah yes, this is kind of odd. Cause he was saying a bunch town pings about Ultra, but then completely votes him anyways. Nice job seeing that Gemma. And it looks like speedy was totally still there or ate fast...idk which.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 am

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 am are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

casual conversation

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meanwhile nova is doing good work. we can't all be like nova.
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:40 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:29 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:02 am What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

Day 0 is a courtesy phase to ensure that everybody has time to receive their role and check in before the start of Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:08 pm @Sloonei MP needs an ISO link

Added. People with spaces in their names defy my black magic sorcery.

Can i make a sad request to please stop using yellow i cannot see it on white background

FELLOW WHITE BACKGROUNDER!

more casual fluff

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:44 am

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:24 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:16 pm Alright I'm probably being too harsh. But explain to me why No Lynch is a good idea.

Either own the vote or dont vote bro

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:26 pm I liked the vote but the comment afterwards just left a sour taste in my mouth

I want to town read this because I agree with it really hard.

Don't really see an issue with the rest of the content in this ISO. Lots of off-topic stuff but that's cool.

He's kind of wanting to town read lux before it was cool. But the key word might be "wanting". Kind of like Dragomir wanting to scum read me then actually doing so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:48 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:41 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

What do you think of admission of messing up? That doesn't looking someone trying to sound justified.

True. The quoted post is pretty decent. DDL's going for a hard reset there, not trying to sound justified anymore.

That's the problem. I DID set a trap. Traps can catch town too, and DDL often looks scummy as town.

He brings up the trap thing again. He's not afraid to mention it, so are these "traps" fairly common in his playstyle? But he also acknowledges he can be wrong.

I guess this is another declaration of meta or potentially townie behavior, even if from his eyes DDL doesn't deserve it, as he does look scummy to speedy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:57 am For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

Another playful comment to fill space? Or is speedy this playful in all his games?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 am Went over Ultra's ISO. Got a few town pings from it, as he's finding his place. I think he knows Nova, and the only scummy thing I've found is that he's sorta using that as a crutch? Conversing with Nova, biting at him, trying to drag reads from him.

Nova isn't your wall, buddy. Come out here with the rest of us or I'll scumread you for hiding.

Speedy still reading or seeing Ultra as town. [insert comment about link between them being possibly stronger]

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:35 am Dragomir is also too hesitant. Hesitance is more likely to come from being scum around new people than being town around them.

But what do I know about hesitance. I was a SK my first game here and it was a ball.

Potential slight distance from Dragomir and then tries to take it back?

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

Why would town want to trap? Or over my years of playing I saw more gambits or traps being playing from the scum alignment. I guess to me this could be interpreted as an agenda statement.

That moment when I realize Jack is a male...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 am So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.

This still felt awkward as ever; it's filler, as if something needed to be said.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:10 am DDL's knee-jerk reaction didn't look great, as someone who knows me. Ultra doesn't look bad for the reaction, though he/she seems a little focused on Nova for some reason when I look at the ISO.
JJJ reacted exactly as expected.

I'll just let everyone know I'm not going to be as active as you crazy devils. I'm in another game and I wasn't a top poster in that one either.

It's looks like we have a tangible link to Ulta.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 1:27 am Every time that post resurfaces I think of Wendy's

I see it too.

*puts music on*

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:23 pm As for the vote, speedchuck is obvscumming.

If he's playing suboptimal to try and garner reactions, well, it's only common courtesy to start a wagon so he gets them.

Sometimes, scum can be very critical of each other. But I'm not sure, I would promote this kind of statement on day 1, if said person was my partner. hmmm

Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:35 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:02 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:58 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:54 pm One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

What do you think, Dragomir?

*asks Dragomir for his opinion, also in non-threatening way or seems to be asking him neutrally*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:53 pm Upon further consideration I think they have some merit, but I want to hear it from other people. Mainly speedchuck

If you think they have merit, what's with the vote?

Speedy deflects DDL's interest about hearing more why the vote for a no lynch

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:39 pm This player doesn't look comfortable

Question: Do you remember why you voted DDL shortly thereafter this post, when it looks like you might have more suspicions on Drago at the time?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

It's kind of a joke, but then he still follows it up with an actual vote for it. It's like he kind of does want it to happen, but also kind of doubts it being possible.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm I voted for that just now

I see. This kind of just sits there or fills space. But it was kind of weird thinking back on it.

On one hand, yes we will always lose a power role, but truly knowing if our reads are in the right the direction is invaluable information.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:11 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

Are you being sarcastic?

An interaction with speedy and Dragomir, it seems casual and neutral enough. They aren't going at each other or shading or anything. It just seems like peaceful conversation between the two of them.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:02 am What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

Not particularly hiding blood lust well

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:54 pm One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Kind of indirect shade/slight skepticism of JJJ? It could been a potential setup for later.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:02 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:58 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:54 pm One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

Potentially townie skepticism like me being skeptical of Epi's town read on me. (also him reading DDL correctly (mac's check)), I guess that's why Epi died

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:35 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:04 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:02 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:00 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:58 pm

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:54 pm One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

scum!Dragomir interested in finding ways to potentially push on JJJ. Not sure, if I'd see this directly from a scum partner relationship, but who knows.

*keeps reading, but should sleep soon*

I'm rereading/skimming the game from the beginning keeping in mind the dead people's reads and interactions etc.
I'm not sure if I'll get all the way though.

*thinks back* hmm (was speedy pocketing when he was calling me?)

Mac, why the no lynch? Or is it just a placeholder?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:15 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:34 pm completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, this is something I'd like to see you address directly.

It looks like I missed this happening entirely. I don't remember these two being lead wagons. I know I did know what to make of them during the trust fall/anti trust fall thing, but I must have either not seen or wasn't paying attention if and when speedy and/or rdw were lead wagons.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:45 am

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:16 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:24 am I'm trying to figure out where Dragomir's head is at but its a blur. He was tunneling on me. Then he decided he didn't care anymore and only about Owner. The he made that horrible "today is a new day" post to explain it. Then he names three people and says he doesn't care who is lynched as long as it's one of the three. Then he ignores Owner's ability post and keeps tunneling on her. Then someone calls him out on that and he goes back to tunneling me.

It's a lot of "don't cares", and very little sign that he is actually trying to look at multiple people and solve the game. He pick a few lucky ones to tunnel and is trying to skate by the game on those tunnels. It doesn't feel town at all.

I agree with all of this

this convo

This one looks like Mafia pointing at two towns talking about a town they're wrong about imo. What goal does rdscum have as Dragoteammate here? The distance cred would be so unlikely to be acquired.

I don't like it for RDW in it's own right.

I can see the potential of this fair enough.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:16 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:49 am

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:40 am [VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Why?

someone's got to die today and it looks like he's the man

Not sure, if I would read this one as distancing.

I wish I knew what action Nova performed on night 3 on him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:33 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:28 am RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.

Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.

I wouldn't like put them on a team together.

You suggested earlier that you were inclined to put RDW in your town circle. Was that merely by dissociation from Dragomir, or because of RDW's own play?

Dissociation from Dragomir and remembering liking his posts day 1/don't remember anything pinging me about him...just wish he would post more or have more presence to him

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:26 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

I do feel that Dragomir has been fiercer in his convictions than would make sense for a civilian mindset, particularly now at this stage of the game. I recall the MU folks recently referring to this as a "gotcha moment" -- when a player jumps all over a case with a degree of confidence that may not suit the circumstances (and as such it's a tell). Dragomir's entire post history is a continuous gotcha.

How willing are you to attribute that sort of mentality to personality instead of to alignment? It's almost the exact inverse of where we were with Gemma, who couldn't bring herself to make concrete reads at all in many cases.

Are you saying he's more "pushy" than his potential town self or he's doing something else?

]I do see this with a lot of scum. But town can also get pretty passionate at times.

It's a lot harder to do when I don't know them personally or haven't x number of games with them to distinguish personality from their actual tells or playstyle.

And I'm not sure, I'm fully getting your point here.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. @DrWilgy how much have you read?

I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?



[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him

RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.

Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.

I wouldn't like put them on a team together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:11 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm With Speedy's claim, I would probably put you on a team with him. Even though he says you didn't make the kills, you probably wouldn't be making the kills in the first place as there was so much suspicion around you to begin with.

Is your theory of Dragomir and speedchuck being teamed specifically inspired by the claim, or does that strengthen some hunch you already had?

Dragomir's reasons for voting me today just feel like all kinds of wrong or the progression on me feels like an agenda to mislynch me.

Speedy's claim today is now an association read to Dragomir's flip. The way speedy's claim brings up or talks about Dragomir, pinged me. I had no direct connections with them before today.

*mislynch potential

#stupid mentioning thing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:06 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

@DrWilgy, you are summoned to answer.

I feel like you should have also quoted the other one, but semantics, anyways, I feel kind of bad. People shouldn't leave me alive to solve the game. Like it happens a lot of games, I stay alive to the near end, cause I generally have a bunch of mislynch po[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:58 pm
I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:56 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:51 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:47 pm Voyeur

N1 - Jack - no report - jailed by Lux
N2 - Epignosis - killer
N3 - nutella - nothing
N4 - DDL - no report - jailed by speed?

No, you were jailed by Lux night 1 not jack.

Right I think you misread that.

I tracked Lux and showed that they targeted you. I don't see how it can be more black and white than that. So please explain what you are trying to say here.

We're in agreement. I mean that I did say Lux jailed in that post just now. Check it in these quotes.

Oh!!! It's says Voyeur there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:53 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 pm I think final 3 scum are Speedy, DDL and Dragomir. And I think the votes can back that up. Or I see somewhat of a pattern there.

What does this theory tell you about Mac?

It's more of a connection I'm seeing with speedy and Dragomir. Mac's votes are split between voting mostly for dragomir and voting on the main wagon.