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by Lunalee
Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 3]

speedchuck wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:36 am I'm going to crylaugh if speedchuck is the winning contestant and stays ahead of Kyle in the 2018 charts.
I picked the mafia team, tho
:haha:
Did I atleast give you some points?
by Lunalee
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Russtifinko wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:44 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:48 pm Are "infer" and "deduce" the same thing?
Inferring involves making an educated guess as to someone's intent. Deduction involves applying general principles to reach a specific conclusion by eliminating possibilities that do not adhere to those principles (essentially, a POE). So not the same.

@Lunalee , I was just starting to feel better about you, but...what?
Lunalee wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:44 pm I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?
I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.
Here you seem to be 100% discounting the possibility that you could die tonight. Admittedly, to me you don't look like you'd be a high-priority NK target, but no onw's immune. What gives you such confidence you'll be around tomorrow?
Lunalee wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:40 pm -Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts
You seem to be saying both JJJ and Colin are bad. We don't have confirmation yet, but speculation in the thread is that there should be 3 baddies in this game based on balance. Do you disagree? If so, why, and what do you think the setup is?

You're weirding me out with the direction of these posts, girl. I was just starting to solidify a town read of you.
Well lucky me, it looks like nobody died tonight! (Kudos to whoever the doctor is!) If I had been killed though, I don't really consider myself the most important player in the game, and I'm sure you could have pulled out a civilian win without me.

These aren't the first doubts I've had about Jay, but may have been the first I've voiced. And I realize I have probably thrown out more scum reads than we have scum left, but that's because I have a hard time town-firming anyone.

Sorry if my Colin post weirded you out. If you have any specific questions, I can clarify my train of though.
by Lunalee
Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

ColinIsCool wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:13 pm Oops — anything you want me to address, Luna?
Here's my list of things you've done that I think look scummy. Feel free to address any of them.
-Agrees with alien that MP looks scummy for town-reading people on day 0
-Announces he won't be voting for any new players and would rather lynch MP or Mac Only pings me because the two scum we've lynched were both new players
-Feels mostly good about infected alien on day 0, but also says if MP is bad, then Robot Nerd is probably his scum-mate :shrug:
-"Don't listen to me, I'm out of my groove" This just looks bad. So bad that if Colin were bad surely he wouldn't have posted it? But idk.
-Jay and Colin turn the suspicion away from Alien onto Aby. I'm increasing not feeling the best about Jay, despite his super helpful analysis posts
-Throws out suspicions on Marmot, TH, and myself for being mafia and hanging back in the thread. I just find it interesting he doesn't mention any lynched scum or anyone I seriously suspect right now in this list. Could be mafia throwing suspicions on a list of townies?
-Another reads list, this time Alien is listed as "could be bad" after others have started voicing suspicions
-Throws shade at Kylemii for asking questions about the new players
-I've mentioned it before, but I don't like this post where Colin says the Russ post on Alien looks good, but Alien still looks town for probing Aby, but he doesn't want to go after Russ for it yet.
-Colin and Kylemii's whole interaction. Colin tries to peg Kylemii as scum for doing things Colin would do as scum. I don't like the way Colin looks in this.
-Anxious to "just kill somebody already." This is an easy mindset for scum to slip into, instead of choosing a lynch carefully
-The "lynch me, I dare you" post

I just called out the things from Colin's ISO that pinged me. I did skim over a lot of it, even some redeeming posts he made, like joining the Alien and Robot lynch trains. But I give scum-Colin enough credit to believe he knows how to look pretty good in thread.
by Lunalee
Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:44 pm I appreciate your responses, Lunalee. If you've had any time yet to look things over for yourself, do you have any suspicions emerging?
I still think Colin is scum, but I'll get back on the ball with reads and stuff on Day 3. I don't feel a need to do too much right now.
by Lunalee
Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:02 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:57 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:44 am Because he was bad
What sold you?
I dunno if you know this but I'm very smart and the best mafia player probably ever, let alone on this site or even in this game. What sold me was me. I thought to myself "Self, Robotnerd is bad and you should vote for her"

And so I did.
I can relate.
...can I be a pro at mafia already so I can stop explaining all my actions?
by Lunalee
Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:48 am
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am Interactions of RobotNerd277 and Lunalee

Things Robot said to/about Luna

Spoiler: show
RobotNerd277 wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:40 pm
Lunalee wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:03 pm
RobotNerd277 wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:53 pm Whoops I kinda derped and MP reminded me of the existence of this game a few days ago but I still dropped the ball on checking when it would actually start but I'm here now.

Anyways, hi, checking in, gonna read the thread now.
Welcome RobotNerd! Pleasure to meet you. Good luck with catching up. For the highlights see DharmaHelper's posts :D
I'll iso them as soon as I at least skim the whole thread, which might be a little while (I'm heading out to donate blood soon)
Spoiler: show
I'm like 60% sure that was a joke but I really can't tell

Upon welcoming Robot to the thread, Luna directed her to DH's posts. My interpretation was that this was meant humorously (please clarify Lunalee), but Robot interpreted it seriously. That sort of disconnect is a decent enough thing for Luna, if only barely.
Yes, it was a joke, because DH's posts were amusing to me, and they followed the tone of the thread a bit. I think DH had a couple serious posts once things started turning away from the "we're all town, right?" circle-jerk.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
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RobotNerd277 wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:51 pm Lunalee's avatar is forcing me to trust her. Cannot resist! But actually, her comments on MP7 are pretty neutral.

This is one of those things that at first glance makes the eyeball twitch violently, but at second glance seems better for Luna. I'll allow myself to remain torn and ask for other input. It's probably an unimportant moment.
Haha! I didn't even see this. :D
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
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RobotNerd277 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

This recalls Robot's random prod of Marmot based upon a similar strategic mindset, I think. Robot wanted to find something to talk about, and poking at the lower-content players who at the time weren't such a focus of discussion was an easy way to achieve that. Nice little moment for Luna.

Spoiler: show
RobotNerd277 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:36 pm I mean, I was the one asking Luna to force reads

fite me irl alien

fwiw, I have a similar take on the exchange to Luna. The swing and back-off paradigm is a bit aggro, and mac's reaction feels pretty solid and genuine.

linki: I am also curious as to what mp thinks of me

I'm missing context here and dunno what Robot is talking about. I think it's about sprityo/Mac more than it's about Luna.
Is this the context you're looking for?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
That's semi-affirmed here, with a positive remark for Luna to boot.

Spoiler: show
RobotNerd277 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:44 pm
Lunalee wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
this looks very upfront to me imo

I think you're digging where there's nothing to dig. It's really not that deep.

Lunalee

Robot directed this comment at her teammate alien, which might make it an insightful moment. She suggested that alien was digging where there's nothing to dig when it came to his handling of Luna. That might represent a sort of roundabout TMI.

There are quite a few Luna mentions in this post, including a dark green read in Robot's rainbow list. Also note in Robot's alien read, she gives him a little shit for his treatment of Luna and herself. I have a feeling Robot is tacking herself to a civilian as a meat shield here.

~~~

Things Luna said to/about Robot

It should be stated that Luna's take on sprityo/Mac was initially posted in response to Robot's prod. That's not a great look -- working off a mafioso's filler prod to jump into the dialogue.
Yes, because at this point I didn't know I was working off a mafioso filler prod. I was honestly more excited to be asked my opinion, so I freely gave it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
Spoiler: show
Lunalee wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:51 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm Luna what's your opinion on robot?
Robot's cool. My first impression of her is good, but I haven't done any digging on her posts other that our interactions. I find it sort of strange that she asked for my opinion on the Sprit/Mac thing, then said I was reading too much into it though.

I really like that this exists. If Luna is a mafioso, then this little exchange covers three of them at once (likely all of them). I think that most evil-doers avoid this kind of dynamic, but I have observed exceptions. Luna's actual read is positive for Robot, so that was wrong. The highlighted bit is a miscommunication (Robot was saying that alien was reading too much into things, not Luna), like I mentioned earlier.

Spoiler: show
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm Infected_alien8 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1
RobotNerd277 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1

:meany:

(This is taken from a larger reads list)

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Lunalee wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:50 pm Alien kept a pretty neutral read on Robot for a while, but then in this post Alien felt a need to point out that Robot was exhibiting town behavior. I'm inclined to suspect Robot as scum.

When Luna did some investigative work of her own, she came to the right answer on Robot. Decent enough look.

(Also taken from a larger reads list)

Spoiler: show
Lunalee wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:42 pm Luna, how do you feel about Robot leading the poll right now?
I'm okay with a Robot or Colin lynch. But I had to vote Colin because he dared me to.

Maybe I am stupid, but I kind of like this. I think Robot already had a pile of votes. I need to determine whether this was the first or second Colin vote (I think he had two at one point?).
I think I was the first Colin vote?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
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Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:43 pm Looks like Robot is getting lynched. I'm down.
[VOTE: RobotNerd277] aubergine

The late hop-on wasn't really necessary though. Luna, what compelled you to do this?
Since I was okay with either a Robot or Colin lynch, I decided to stay on Colin until close to end-of-day in case anyone wanted to join me. But when that was obviously not going to happen, I joined the Robot lynch. I know it wasn't necessary, but Mac gave me crap when I didn't join the Alien lynch Day 1 and stayed on him, so I figured why not.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:50 am
~~~

Conclusion

It's a bit of a mixed bag again, but not as confused as it seemed in Luna's alien interactions. This moves the ticker up a bit for her, I think.
Thanks for your analysis!
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:49 pm Great job DharmaHelper. To celebrate I am going to use my role check on you tonight okay?
You said you did that last night.


Mac is the third and final mafia


This game was fun.
Yeah but I actually used my cop check on Turnip Head instead because I'm just a crazy guy.
Oh? I might have missed it, but did you say what you found out about TH?
Several times actually. :shrug:

Civilian.
Oh cool. Hope you're protected tonight. Sounds like you're in a risky spot.
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:57 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:52 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:49 pm Great job DharmaHelper. To celebrate I am going to use my role check on you tonight okay?
You said you did that last night.


Mac is the third and final mafia


This game was fun.
Yeah but I actually used my cop check on Turnip Head instead because I'm just a crazy guy.
Oh? I might have missed it, but did you say what you found out about TH?
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:49 pm Unless y'all want me to role check someone else with my cop check that I have here?
I would check either DH or Colin. Up to you.
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:29 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:28 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:26 pm Dang, this game might not last too long. I don't think I've ever seen such efficient scum-hunting. Can I just high-five you all? Why is there no high-five emoji?
Image
Awww, that looks like one of my cats.
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Dang, this game might not last too long. I don't think I've ever seen such efficient scum-hunting. Can I just high-five you all? Why is there no high-five emoji?
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:01 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Kylemii wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:56 pm when do we find out if we are assholes or not
I think we already are. New Syndicate motto seems to be:
"Come play mafia on our site! New players get lynched first!"
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:46 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:39 pm I'm at a point right now where it feels very much like both of them are in this pile:

Robot
DH
sprityo
Marmot
TH
Luna

A lot hinges on the results of this lynch, and I'm not going to get comfortable, but the more I think over the state of the game the more clearly it seems to fall together. We probably need a 6-player POO and that's where I'm at.
How so? If Robot flips scum, who should we go after next? And if Robot flips town, who should we go after next?
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Looks like Robot is getting lynched. I'm down.
[VOTE: RobotNerd277] aubergine
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:19 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:18 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:17 pm
Spoiler: show
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 am DH, I would say you’ve reached the top of most POE’s right now because you have a lot of posts but most of them seem to be around the game and not really getting your hands dirty. I’m less confident in that read than I am others, though, and I think that most recent post about sprit puts him ahead of you in my mind at least.
My argument against that is like, why the fuck are you voting based on process of elimination and not actual evidence in the thread though.

I mean I know why I'm not doing that. I just don't have the time nor the energy nor the interest to devote so heavily into two games. Especially when this one ballooned 20+ pages before Day 0 even ended. I'm just *not* going to break my back reading 18 and a half pages of MP going "WOOO I AM A TOWN AND THIS IS A MEME" to get to the two pages of stuff worth reading.

Not to say that its only MP's fault, we've apparently got a lot of active players in this game that are comfortable in high post situations. I'm not. I won't not be. I'm also not worth lynching because I'm not bad.

If you want to win, don't lynch me. If you want to lose, go ahead do it I really don't give two fucks. :shrug:
Hi DH. I think very few of us actually read all the day 0 posts. I have just kept up with the more present pages, and it's good enough for me to see what going on (for the most part). That said, if you just look at the Day 1 lynch, and some of the Night 1 activity following it, who would you feel most comfortable lynching today?
I don't know. If I ever find the motivation to do that, I'll tell you.
I won't ask you to explain your decision, just give me a name of who you would vote if you had to decide right now.
Jay :noble:
Okay, thanks
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:14 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 am DH, I would say you’ve reached the top of most POE’s right now because you have a lot of posts but most of them seem to be around the game and not really getting your hands dirty. I’m less confident in that read than I am others, though, and I think that most recent post about sprit puts him ahead of you in my mind at least.
My argument against that is like, why the fuck are you voting based on process of elimination and not actual evidence in the thread though.

I mean I know why I'm not doing that. I just don't have the time nor the energy nor the interest to devote so heavily into two games. Especially when this one ballooned 20+ pages before Day 0 even ended. I'm just *not* going to break my back reading 18 and a half pages of MP going "WOOO I AM A TOWN AND THIS IS A MEME" to get to the two pages of stuff worth reading.

Not to say that its only MP's fault, we've apparently got a lot of active players in this game that are comfortable in high post situations. I'm not. I won't not be. I'm also not worth lynching because I'm not bad.

If you want to win, don't lynch me. If you want to lose, go ahead do it I really don't give two fucks. :shrug:
Hi DH. I think very few of us actually read all the day 0 posts. I have just kept up with the more present pages, and it's good enough for me to see what going on (for the most part). That said, if you just look at the Day 1 lynch, and some of the Night 1 activity following it, who would you feel most comfortable lynching today?
I don't know. If I ever find the motivation to do that, I'll tell you.
I won't ask you to explain your decision, just give me a name of who you would vote if you had to decide right now.
by Lunalee
Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:13 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:25 am DH, I would say you’ve reached the top of most POE’s right now because you have a lot of posts but most of them seem to be around the game and not really getting your hands dirty. I’m less confident in that read than I am others, though, and I think that most recent post about sprit puts him ahead of you in my mind at least.
My argument against that is like, why the fuck are you voting based on process of elimination and not actual evidence in the thread though.

I mean I know why I'm not doing that. I just don't have the time nor the energy nor the interest to devote so heavily into two games. Especially when this one ballooned 20+ pages before Day 0 even ended. I'm just *not* going to break my back reading 18 and a half pages of MP going "WOOO I AM A TOWN AND THIS IS A MEME" to get to the two pages of stuff worth reading.

Not to say that its only MP's fault, we've apparently got a lot of active players in this game that are comfortable in high post situations. I'm not. I won't not be. I'm also not worth lynching because I'm not bad.

If you want to win, don't lynch me. If you want to lose, go ahead do it I really don't give two fucks. :shrug:
Hi DH. I think very few of us actually read all the day 0 posts. I have just kept up with the more present pages, and it's good enough for me to see what going on (for the most part). That said, if you just look at the Day 1 lynch, and some of the Night 1 activity following it, who would you feel most comfortable lynching today?
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:23 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:09 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:58 pm His posts are snarky and lazy, and haven't added much to the game. Does town DH ever coast through to day 2 like this?
He doesn't play very often these days, so it's difficult to peg what he "usually" does. I wouldn't put it past him though to fart around all day in either alignment.

I think it's a bit more concerning though that he has provided this post to suggest directions of inquiry -- but he hasn't done anything himself to pursue those directions.
Yeah, I noticed that post seemed like the most effort he had put in all game. And it is still basically a "to do list" for someone else to pick up. I don't know what to think about DH, but I would be okay with his lynch.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:51 pm
Lunalee wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 pm Colin is not a good lynch yet. The odds of DH or RN being Mafia are much higher.
Why is DH more likely to be scum than Colin? I didn't see much pointing toward him.
How do you think DH looks on his own, without considering his interactions with alien?
His posts are snarky and lazy, and haven't added much to the game. Does town DH ever coast through to day 2 like this?
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:45 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 pm Colin is not a good lynch yet. The odds of DH or RN being Mafia are much higher.
Why is DH more likely to be scum than Colin? I didn't see much pointing toward him.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:44 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:42 pm Luna, how do you feel about Robot leading the poll right now?
I'm okay with a Robot or Colin lynch. But I had to vote Colin because he dared me to.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:03 pm Luna put that vote on me and watch your fantasy owners shake their fists!
Okay.
[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]
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Views: 68517

Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

abyssum wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:08 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:30 am
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:08 am Has anybody made a post about whether Alien is similarly hedgey in other games?

The Russ post is very good. I like it a lot. However, I think Alien's probing of abyssum looks very townish too, but I'm not sure I buy going after Russ for making his post. Hmm hmm hmm
It's not very good, his analysis of my posts with the two colours is biased and misrepresents them, his point about me having many interactions with Jay means nothing without actually looking at the content in those interactions which he didn't do, probably because he doesn't need to because he's not actually trying to sort me, his insistence that I only have one read in M Plus 7 I don't understand how he thinks that at all but he's not the only one so maybe I am just coming across badly, and his insistence of my treatment of the slip being suspicious also makes no sense to me and it feels like he's just trying to push an agenda on something that isn't really there
@Lunalee tyty for the big post! how do you feel about exchanges like this between Alien + Colin--does it read like two teammates talking to one another to you, and why?
Thank you abyssum!
First thing I notice here is Colin is very indecisive. He goes from "The Russ post is good" to "but Alien looks town" to "but I don't want to go after Russ for his post". That looks really scummy to me.
I don't see anything note worthy in Alien's response. He's just confirming why he thinks Russ's post is bad, and claiming Russ is pushing an agenda over nothing. I could see this as a teammate interaction.
I am definitely okay with voting Colin.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:57 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:11 pm Lunalee, I'd really love to hear any response you can provide to this. You're an extremely important player in the current scenario, and sorting you out could make all the difference.
Did you have any specific questions you want me to address?
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:51 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

oops, random emoji made it into my post.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:50 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Okay, I'm going back and reading Russtifinko's case on Alien, and the Alien lynch makes a lot more since now. I didn't keep up with what was going on end of day 1, and was only noting Alien's constant probing on other people's posts (including my own) which is why I gave Alien such a strong town-read. That aside, I'm going to analyze the lynch and some of Alien's posts, and give my thoughts.
B :noble: ased off of the Alien lynch, I give Russ a pretty firm town read from his effort to call Alien out. It also convinces me that MacDougall is town because I don't believe Alien would have tried to form a case against a scum-mate.
Now for all the fun WIFOM in Alien's read lists:
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:36 pm Colin - light Town although I don't remember why I have that in my head
Kyle - I don't remember any of their posts, null read
Marmot - Same as Kyle
Robot - Null, nothing alignment-indicative so far
Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually
Spirit - Same as Kyle and Marmot
Turnip - Same as Robot
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:16 pm COLIN TOWN
JAY TOWN
LUNA TOWN
M PLUS 7 SCUM
RUSS SCUM
SPRIT NO IDEA NOBODY'S TELLING ME THE CASE ON THEM
MAC TOWN
ROBOT TOWN
DH MAFIA
umm, give me more names
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:07 pm Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those
When I read JJJ's analysis of Alien and Colin's interactions, Colin didn't look very good to me. Add that to the fact that Alien slaps a TOWN on him at the very top of both read lists, and I'm pretty convinced Colin is scum.
Jay's in-depth analysis of Alien's interactions makes me think he's town. Regardless of what ever WIFOM may be going on in Alien's posts.
MP has to be town. I have been convinced by his effort in this game, and also by Alien calling him scum.
If Sprityo was Alien's scum-mate would Alien really do him the disservice of not giving him at least a tentative town read? Perhaps Alien didn't care about the sprityo case because sprityo is town (Complete 180 on my previous sprityo read, but that was a forced GTH, and I'm allowed to change it).
Alien kept a pretty neutral read on Robot for a while, but then in this post Alien felt a need to point out that Robot was exhibiting town behavior. I'm inclined to suspect Robot as scum.
DharmaHelper has a rough, devil-may-care approach to mafia, which makes it easy for someone who hasn't played with him before to peg him as scum. This may be why Alien thought he could drop an easy scum read on DH. But he also ignores DH in the rest of his player read posts. I think DH could be town.
Kyle, Marmot, and Turnip are all listed as null, and are only mentioned on one of the above posts. I'm inclined to think Alien gave three townies null reads because he didn't want to put in the effort to peg them as scum if they weren't posting things obviously questionable, but that opinion seems too easy, so off to JJJ's analysis posts I go.
Kylemii/Alien: I couldn't find a [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] analysis here?? Alien remembers none of Kyle's posts and gives a null read. Could be genuinely ignoring a townie, or deliberately distancing from a teammate. Kylemii's references to alien seem just as distant, since he doesn't know who alien is and asks other players to characterize alien's gameplay for him. Kylemii just strikes me as town. idk
Marmot/Alien: Alien seems to have a hard time grasping who Marmot even is. However it could be an act. Marmot may be scum.
TH/Alien: this analysis leaves me with a very blank read on Turnip Head. Their initial interaction originated from TH posting "Luna is bad. Anybody want to fight me?". The rest of their interactions give me nothing. TH did vote for Alien, but didn't give a reason why. TH could be scum.
Okay, Alien defended me and Aby in almost the same way. We both stuck up for him, and he gave us town reads for it. That gives me reason to think Aby is actually town.
Tsaiah doesn't get mentioned until Alien's legacy post. At which point Alien gives her a "town" read for seeming really genuine. I suspect Alien might have done this because he knows a scum read on an "obvious" townie player won't get him anywhere. Tsaiah may actually be town.
I apologize if my thought copy what others have said. I didn't exactly catch up on the thread before diving into this.
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:28 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

Astronomical post in progress. Please stand by...
by Lunalee
Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:51 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:11 pm Lunalee, I'd really love to hear any response you can provide to this. You're an extremely important player in the current scenario, and sorting you out could make all the difference.
Okay, will do. I also want to do some analysis today, but man Jay, I don't know if it's necessary after all of your posts. :P I'll help fill in where I can.
by Lunalee
Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:54 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Tsaiah wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:42 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:09 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm I don't feel good about an Infected Alien lynch today. He has been engaging the thread and seems to be trying to learn the tone of this site while attempting to figure out who may be bad. And I don't blame him for it. @ M Plus 7 , @ JaggedJimmyJay @ Russtifinko do you have any suspicions other than Alien?
Not gonna lie this defence of me wins you over a bit to me lol
That wasn't my intent, but thanks. :hug:

Just been staring at this for the last few minutes

This is when alien flips his read on Luna

i think

maybe

i can hear the echoes of alien's mind yelling AN ALLY! I'LL TAKE IT from the edges of this post
You're correct. Alien "suspected" me as scum until I stuck up for him. I guess I was just too nice for him to keep lying about me like that. :p
by Lunalee
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:15 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

M Plus 7 wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:10 pm *breathes fire everywhere*

LOCKTOWN SOCKFACE IN THE HOUSE
dang MP, things just got real with that avatar change.
by Lunalee
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:17 am
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:07 am
Lunalee wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:36 am Interactions of alien and MacDougall
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Things alien said to/about Mac

*first page of alien posts has 63 Macs* :why:

Mac maybe kinda slipped or something but I don't know because I read him town otherwise. We've talked about this at length throughout the game. I won't mention the extensions of the dialogue as they continue to appear in either of their ISOs. I'll reduce that discussion to this:

A mafioso initially bringing up this "slip", dubious as it was, inherently makes the target look better. Perhaps a mafioso might actually out his teammate in this way if the slip was egregious and awful, to get out in front of the shitstorm. This one wasn't egregious or awful. It wasn't a slip at all. So in that regard the accusation definitely appears manufactured, and I doubt alien manufactures a slip to tag on his teammate in the very first post he makes in a Mafia game on The Syndicate.

It became more conclusive as alien was forced to expand on and answer for the accusation, as he backtracked on it hard. He wanted no part of his own bullshit, probably due in no small part to the severity of the response he got from Mac himself.

Oops. :grin:

Alien continued to tinker with and explore this slip shit until it became clear that nobody was buying it.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:24 pm Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

Mac was the weakest of alien's three town reads in this post that also got him into trouble (mostly for the MP suspicion). I get the impression alien wanted to distance himself as much as he could from the failed "Mac slip" smear attempt, and he elected to turn that Mac read into straight up civilian with the necessary reservations to look like the right progression.

Alien lobs out a couple prods at sprityo about Mac and at Mac about Russ. Okay.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:11 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 pm Mac is HARD SHADING me in that post. That is not a thing a townie says about another townie. I also hate the way he talks about sprityo, It's SOOO scum. Like ooooh I don't know is he town or is he scum?

It's BULLSHIT.

I am SURE of it.
What do you mean by "That is not a thing a townie says about another townie"?

Also, so do you mean the way he's sitting on the fence with him is scummy?

Sorry, I'm very much struggling to understand your point

alien dug into MP a little bit when MP had his brief seizure against Mac. It tells me little. Perhaps he wanted to set MP up to look dumb later when Mac got mislynched.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:21 pm Tinfoil that M Plus 7 and Mac are partners planning a dispute here because I also don't feel like Mac is genuinely annoyed because he's calling him a nerd and telling him "Go away" and that seems drastically different from when he was angry at the slip shenanigans

Sorry if that's wrong though Mac, I don't want to like, discredit the way you're feeling or anything and I always feel uncomfortable making reads like that, but it's a tinfoil so I'll say it

This one is a bit more interesting. When a confirmed mafioso connects two other players as "possible teammates", I tend to be wary of a one-and-one scenario in which a real teammate is being falsely linked to a non-teammate. In this case it could be either MP or Mac, granting the tinfoil fun present in the former case. It should be noted that alien abandoned this notion soon thereafter.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.
That's the thing currently echoing back in my mind as well

Poop.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:24 am
MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:04 pm I would say that the most interesting thing that Russ has managed to capture is that Alien has failed to take firm stances on much (citation needed) and instead has consistently just pointed at things and said, this could be this OR that. Which at the scale that Russ has pointed out looks Mafia.

In isolation, this is fine but as an overwhelming majority of his content, it is suspect.

That being said Alien has maintained a consistent scum read on MP which he hasn't wavered from too much. How that fits into a scum Alien profile alongside the other facts here is best answered by another.
I think for the most part I have had a clear opinion one way or the other. I think Russ' post where he gives two colours to things is misleading because it acts as though I'm balancing my arguments when in fact in some of them I'm just acknowledging other possibilities, not that I'm saying those possibilities are just as likely, and in fact I'm pretty sure in most of my posts I haven't even done that and I've given a solid "this is what I think of this", like with Luna, M Plus 7, Jay, some other random posts where I've specifically liked them or disliked them. I've not gone through my ISO to verify that but I'm pretty sure the notion that I'm just counter-argueing with myself is wrong

alien worked very hard to fight off this argument against numerous players, and add Mac to the pile.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:12 am Mac - mostly seems authentic and I don't see much agenda for the most part, but his 'annoyance' with M Plus 7 didn't translate into his posts at all for me so I wonder if it's fake, also his push on sprit didn't have any solviness to it but I can also see a world where he does that as an annoyed Townie who just wants to lynch the person. Not sure at all what to make of his 'I lied to fit into my meta' thing, it can swing both ways to me, but it keeps echoing in the back of my mind and making me paranoid. My gut says he's Town despite that stuff so I'm putting him here but out of all the Town reads I have this is probably the lowest.

Within alien's reads list, the Mac read was one of the most egregious waffles of all. That can be seen here in the color coding. This is one of my least favorite moments for Mac.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:10 pm Ughhh Mac's mindset makes sense but I disagree since I never like to assume people will inevitably be mislynched as a Townie because they can always bring it back, but I don't think it's necessarily alignment-indicative because I know people who favour lynches like that as Town 'they're gonna die inevitably anyway so let's kill them for info', but it is definitely scum compatible and the fact he suggested it to Jay after Jay's story makes me think 'hmm' and that in combination with my earlier points makes me inclined to lean that it's a Mafia sided thing rather than a Town thing (how's this for hedge!)

Can someone give me a run down on the sprito case since it looks like it's him vs me vs mac right now?

I have to go away again now, I'll be back in like an hour I think

He waffles some more here.

Alien: I hope you won't take it the wrong way if I offer some constructive criticism, because I genuinely think you did some great things in this game. One adjustment might do you wonders in your next mafia-aligned effort -- set the word "but" on fire. It ruined you here. It's a curse word. Tell it to go away. Put it in the trash can.

There is more content I could discuss, but it's too much at this time of night so I will proceed to Mac's ISO.

~~~

Things Mac said to/about alien

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:12 pm That post that said that post of mine was a scumslip was the biggest load of shit and Jay just ate from that load. Jay is either bad or has a scum read on me for poor reasons and desperately wants me to be bad to restore his lost pride when I and my fellow scum streeted him a few games ago.

What was it again?

It was a scumslip because I said that for me to know he is town means I must be Mafia ignored the fact that me as Mafia and he as Mafia would mean I also know he is not town?

I am sorry but either I don't get it AND it's stupid or I do get it and it's the biggest load of shit on God's green Earth. Infected Alien more like Infected Brain.

I actually like that when Mac initially states his grievances with that slip stuff, he directed his shit at me instead of at alien. That reduces the value of the distancing alien would have been doing if they're teammates -- Mac would have needed to reciprocate that distancing by immediately shitting on alien. He picked on me instead.

Mac wrote War and Peace to describe his behaviors and meta in response to alien.

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MacDougall wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:08 pm I am currently working on the assumption that the scum team is sprityo, Infected_alien8_ and russtifinko.

Mac stuck him in a Day 0 team of three.

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MacDougall wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:31 pm I'm gonna angle shoot and say that Epi would balance the team to not have two new players on it. I'm gonna say the combinations out of my suspect pool that make the most sense.

DharmaHelper OR Marmot
Sprityo
Robot OR Alien

The "OR" here is kinda suck. The entire angleshoot is bunk anyway.

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MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:48 pm That Russ wall on Alien is hot as fuck.

Word.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:04 pm MacDougall, what is your present stance on alien?
Seems like a nice chap

Not word. Shits pajamas.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:35 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:32 pm I still think I want to lynch Alien the most
Alien is a new voice on this site. When new players who are confident come here they always tend to get suspected for being themselves. On top of that he has offered a lot of content. I don't see how Alien is the best day 1 lynch.

Yet another about face but I feel that now, this close to ED, objectively the best person to lynch is Marmot. There is no overwhelming consensus person and Marmot has given us no ability to adequately read him. Plus we'd be doing him a favour. Marmot surviving day after day with no content is one of the worst case scenarios we would find ourselves in and it happens in so many games I've seen marmot play.

DharmaHelper would be the next best candidate imo.

The only reason my vote is on neither is because there has hardly ever been any genuine push to lynch either.

-5 points for Mac resisting an alien lynch with 3 hours remaining before EOD.
+5 points for Mac resisting the lynch of a viable counterwagon to his own destruction

It's a wash.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:45 pm COLINISCOOL
INFECTED_ALIEN8
Good
Good

Against the grain and wrong. :ponder:

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:31 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:29 pm I just want to know why I am still at risk of being lynched when the majority of the participants here have me as a strong to moderate town read? Can we just put all our votes on someone that we all agree is bad please?
Talk to me about why Robot over Alien.

Or why sprityo or anyone else really.

What's your POE? I just gave mine.
Alien has defended me when there was no cause to and I think that Russ's case on Alien was flawed, which remains the largest single reason Alien has votes. Alien has sounded pingy which is no surprise for a new player. Alien has been open and forthcoming with lots of information. I think Alien is a mislynch.

One hour to EOD and Mac is still voicing a civilian read on alien. I believe that Mac was the only viable wagon left at this point other than alien, so that's not too terrible. One must temper that though, because we've all seen huge vote swings in short time spans.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:34 pm I don't like that right now under pressure of lynch Alien appears to be circling around me looking for an excuse to put a vote on me.
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:36 pm Changing my vote to Alien

Mac turned it around abruptly here. The rationale is very limited within the full scope of everything Mac has said about alien through Days 0 and 1. For this to be authentic it'd have to be a total gut move, which isn't hard to believe. I don't know where Mac's vote was previously though, because one can also just call this a basic self-preservation vote if the wagons were assembled accordingly. I don't know why Mac wouldn't just call it that.

Player salad strikes again. Most reliable tell I have ever known when applied correctly (it usually isn't). Mac did it right though.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:11 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:09 pm

Why? If only so I can debunk that?
Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.
I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me
Your town read has gradually declined the more it looked like your lynch was gaining traction. Meanwhile the vast majority of players opinions of me have shifted the other direction. It's a scum mindset.

Mac reinforced his vote in the end during this conversation. I don't think it looks bad.

~~~

Conclusion

There's more here to question than I expected to find. Good then. Talk about it, Mac. It's still hard to look beyond the slip episode which I think works clearly in Mac's favor.
@MacDougall See, you still look bad. I knew I smelt stinky yesterday.
This looks familiar. Someone else recently made a habit of tagging along with any little concerns I expressed. :ponder:

What do you make of the slip that alien accused Mac of?
It doesn't look like a slip to me. A slip would be Mac coming out with "Jay is civilian" without being prompted. You told Mac, "You know I'm a civilian," and he responded in the only way he could with, "no I don't because that would mean I'm mafia"
Alien's commentary doesn't make since with what just happened, because Mac is not assuming Jay is town. He made as careful a response as he could.
"Despite the rest of mac's post making me feel he's Town, this could be a slip here - he's assuming Jay is Town and not Mafia, because if he's Town, imagining being Mafia still leads to the possibility of him them being Mafia partners, but he ignores that scenario. "
THAT said, I really don't have a conclusion to draw from this. The whole conversation looks NAI, except that maybe Jay looks more town.
by Lunalee
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:02 am
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:36 am Interactions of alien and MacDougall
Spoiler: show
Things alien said to/about Mac

*first page of alien posts has 63 Macs* :why:

Mac maybe kinda slipped or something but I don't know because I read him town otherwise. We've talked about this at length throughout the game. I won't mention the extensions of the dialogue as they continue to appear in either of their ISOs. I'll reduce that discussion to this:

A mafioso initially bringing up this "slip", dubious as it was, inherently makes the target look better. Perhaps a mafioso might actually out his teammate in this way if the slip was egregious and awful, to get out in front of the shitstorm. This one wasn't egregious or awful. It wasn't a slip at all. So in that regard the accusation definitely appears manufactured, and I doubt alien manufactures a slip to tag on his teammate in the very first post he makes in a Mafia game on The Syndicate.

It became more conclusive as alien was forced to expand on and answer for the accusation, as he backtracked on it hard. He wanted no part of his own bullshit, probably due in no small part to the severity of the response he got from Mac himself.

Oops. :grin:

Alien continued to tinker with and explore this slip shit until it became clear that nobody was buying it.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:24 pm Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

Mac was the weakest of alien's three town reads in this post that also got him into trouble (mostly for the MP suspicion). I get the impression alien wanted to distance himself as much as he could from the failed "Mac slip" smear attempt, and he elected to turn that Mac read into straight up civilian with the necessary reservations to look like the right progression.

Alien lobs out a couple prods at sprityo about Mac and at Mac about Russ. Okay.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:11 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 pm Mac is HARD SHADING me in that post. That is not a thing a townie says about another townie. I also hate the way he talks about sprityo, It's SOOO scum. Like ooooh I don't know is he town or is he scum?

It's BULLSHIT.

I am SURE of it.
What do you mean by "That is not a thing a townie says about another townie"?

Also, so do you mean the way he's sitting on the fence with him is scummy?

Sorry, I'm very much struggling to understand your point

alien dug into MP a little bit when MP had his brief seizure against Mac. It tells me little. Perhaps he wanted to set MP up to look dumb later when Mac got mislynched.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:21 pm Tinfoil that M Plus 7 and Mac are partners planning a dispute here because I also don't feel like Mac is genuinely annoyed because he's calling him a nerd and telling him "Go away" and that seems drastically different from when he was angry at the slip shenanigans

Sorry if that's wrong though Mac, I don't want to like, discredit the way you're feeling or anything and I always feel uncomfortable making reads like that, but it's a tinfoil so I'll say it

This one is a bit more interesting. When a confirmed mafioso connects two other players as "possible teammates", I tend to be wary of a one-and-one scenario in which a real teammate is being falsely linked to a non-teammate. In this case it could be either MP or Mac, granting the tinfoil fun present in the former case. It should be noted that alien abandoned this notion soon thereafter.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.
That's the thing currently echoing back in my mind as well

Poop.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:24 am
MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:04 pm I would say that the most interesting thing that Russ has managed to capture is that Alien has failed to take firm stances on much (citation needed) and instead has consistently just pointed at things and said, this could be this OR that. Which at the scale that Russ has pointed out looks Mafia.

In isolation, this is fine but as an overwhelming majority of his content, it is suspect.

That being said Alien has maintained a consistent scum read on MP which he hasn't wavered from too much. How that fits into a scum Alien profile alongside the other facts here is best answered by another.
I think for the most part I have had a clear opinion one way or the other. I think Russ' post where he gives two colours to things is misleading because it acts as though I'm balancing my arguments when in fact in some of them I'm just acknowledging other possibilities, not that I'm saying those possibilities are just as likely, and in fact I'm pretty sure in most of my posts I haven't even done that and I've given a solid "this is what I think of this", like with Luna, M Plus 7, Jay, some other random posts where I've specifically liked them or disliked them. I've not gone through my ISO to verify that but I'm pretty sure the notion that I'm just counter-argueing with myself is wrong

alien worked very hard to fight off this argument against numerous players, and add Mac to the pile.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:12 am Mac - mostly seems authentic and I don't see much agenda for the most part, but his 'annoyance' with M Plus 7 didn't translate into his posts at all for me so I wonder if it's fake, also his push on sprit didn't have any solviness to it but I can also see a world where he does that as an annoyed Townie who just wants to lynch the person. Not sure at all what to make of his 'I lied to fit into my meta' thing, it can swing both ways to me, but it keeps echoing in the back of my mind and making me paranoid. My gut says he's Town despite that stuff so I'm putting him here but out of all the Town reads I have this is probably the lowest.

Within alien's reads list, the Mac read was one of the most egregious waffles of all. That can be seen here in the color coding. This is one of my least favorite moments for Mac.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:10 pm Ughhh Mac's mindset makes sense but I disagree since I never like to assume people will inevitably be mislynched as a Townie because they can always bring it back, but I don't think it's necessarily alignment-indicative because I know people who favour lynches like that as Town 'they're gonna die inevitably anyway so let's kill them for info', but it is definitely scum compatible and the fact he suggested it to Jay after Jay's story makes me think 'hmm' and that in combination with my earlier points makes me inclined to lean that it's a Mafia sided thing rather than a Town thing (how's this for hedge!)

Can someone give me a run down on the sprito case since it looks like it's him vs me vs mac right now?

I have to go away again now, I'll be back in like an hour I think

He waffles some more here.

Alien: I hope you won't take it the wrong way if I offer some constructive criticism, because I genuinely think you did some great things in this game. One adjustment might do you wonders in your next mafia-aligned effort -- set the word "but" on fire. It ruined you here. It's a curse word. Tell it to go away. Put it in the trash can.

There is more content I could discuss, but it's too much at this time of night so I will proceed to Mac's ISO.

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Things Mac said to/about alien

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:12 pm That post that said that post of mine was a scumslip was the biggest load of shit and Jay just ate from that load. Jay is either bad or has a scum read on me for poor reasons and desperately wants me to be bad to restore his lost pride when I and my fellow scum streeted him a few games ago.

What was it again?

It was a scumslip because I said that for me to know he is town means I must be Mafia ignored the fact that me as Mafia and he as Mafia would mean I also know he is not town?

I am sorry but either I don't get it AND it's stupid or I do get it and it's the biggest load of shit on God's green Earth. Infected Alien more like Infected Brain.

I actually like that when Mac initially states his grievances with that slip stuff, he directed his shit at me instead of at alien. That reduces the value of the distancing alien would have been doing if they're teammates -- Mac would have needed to reciprocate that distancing by immediately shitting on alien. He picked on me instead.

Mac wrote War and Peace to describe his behaviors and meta in response to alien.

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MacDougall wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:08 pm I am currently working on the assumption that the scum team is sprityo, Infected_alien8_ and russtifinko.

Mac stuck him in a Day 0 team of three.

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MacDougall wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:31 pm I'm gonna angle shoot and say that Epi would balance the team to not have two new players on it. I'm gonna say the combinations out of my suspect pool that make the most sense.

DharmaHelper OR Marmot
Sprityo
Robot OR Alien

The "OR" here is kinda suck. The entire angleshoot is bunk anyway.

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MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:48 pm That Russ wall on Alien is hot as fuck.

Word.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:04 pm MacDougall, what is your present stance on alien?
Seems like a nice chap

Not word. Shits pajamas.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:35 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:32 pm I still think I want to lynch Alien the most
Alien is a new voice on this site. When new players who are confident come here they always tend to get suspected for being themselves. On top of that he has offered a lot of content. I don't see how Alien is the best day 1 lynch.

Yet another about face but I feel that now, this close to ED, objectively the best person to lynch is Marmot. There is no overwhelming consensus person and Marmot has given us no ability to adequately read him. Plus we'd be doing him a favour. Marmot surviving day after day with no content is one of the worst case scenarios we would find ourselves in and it happens in so many games I've seen marmot play.

DharmaHelper would be the next best candidate imo.

The only reason my vote is on neither is because there has hardly ever been any genuine push to lynch either.

-5 points for Mac resisting an alien lynch with 3 hours remaining before EOD.
+5 points for Mac resisting the lynch of a viable counterwagon to his own destruction

It's a wash.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:45 pm COLINISCOOL
INFECTED_ALIEN8
Good
Good

Against the grain and wrong. :ponder:

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:31 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:29 pm I just want to know why I am still at risk of being lynched when the majority of the participants here have me as a strong to moderate town read? Can we just put all our votes on someone that we all agree is bad please?
Talk to me about why Robot over Alien.

Or why sprityo or anyone else really.

What's your POE? I just gave mine.
Alien has defended me when there was no cause to and I think that Russ's case on Alien was flawed, which remains the largest single reason Alien has votes. Alien has sounded pingy which is no surprise for a new player. Alien has been open and forthcoming with lots of information. I think Alien is a mislynch.

One hour to EOD and Mac is still voicing a civilian read on alien. I believe that Mac was the only viable wagon left at this point other than alien, so that's not too terrible. One must temper that though, because we've all seen huge vote swings in short time spans.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:34 pm I don't like that right now under pressure of lynch Alien appears to be circling around me looking for an excuse to put a vote on me.
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:36 pm Changing my vote to Alien

Mac turned it around abruptly here. The rationale is very limited within the full scope of everything Mac has said about alien through Days 0 and 1. For this to be authentic it'd have to be a total gut move, which isn't hard to believe. I don't know where Mac's vote was previously though, because one can also just call this a basic self-preservation vote if the wagons were assembled accordingly. I don't know why Mac wouldn't just call it that.

Player salad strikes again. Most reliable tell I have ever known when applied correctly (it usually isn't). Mac did it right though.

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MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:11 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:09 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:07 pm Alright, legacy reads as of right now bearing in mind I've missed the past few pages:

Scum: Russ - once I die please go back and read my response to his case against me because it's completely biased and agendary
M Plus 7: my gut is back on him again now after he suspected me trying to catch up and I have no idea how he got to that, and 'player salad', feels like he's just trying to find reasons to suspect me again. Will repeat his dogpees didn't feel genuine to me at all

Probably scum but gut says Town: Mac, reasons same as before, but gut is saying his reactions to my slowly turning against him is Town

Town: Tsiah, Jay, both I love their lines of interrogation and they just seem really Town to me. Aby, her defence of me from Jay felt really genuine trying to figure Jay out and wasn't afraid of splashing herself with what was being thrown my way
I wanna say Luna's town now for her defence of me too

Everyone else has for + againsts that I outlined before, nothing really changed on those
He just described his own behaviour as slowly turning against me and thinks that my response to it is town. This would be a very strange comment from a civ.
Why? If only so I can debunk that?
Like you just admitted that you have been "slowly turning against" me? It's just tantamount to saying that I was right about you changing your opinions just to vote me. Civs don't do that. Voting me sure, but the methodical way you went about it is just weird.
I don't understand what you mean. By slowly turning against you I mean that over the past 24 hours or so, ever since M Plus 7's dogpee, my town read of you has gradually declined, as I've pointed out every time a new point has added to that. I'm not talking about anything you said to me
Your town read has gradually declined the more it looked like your lynch was gaining traction. Meanwhile the vast majority of players opinions of me have shifted the other direction. It's a scum mindset.

Mac reinforced his vote in the end during this conversation. I don't think it looks bad.

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Conclusion

There's more here to question than I expected to find. Good then. Talk about it, Mac. It's still hard to look beyond the slip episode which I think works clearly in Mac's favor.
[mention]MacDougall[/mention] See, you still look bad. I knew I smelt stinky yesterday.
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Wow, I'm glad I was wrong. Please don't lynch me.
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:12 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm
RobotNerd277 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm @Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.
Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.
MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?
Yes because it looks bad and I am still trying to solve the game. The game won't end today Lunalee.
I get that. I'm not saying I will continue to vote you tomorrow. I will catch up on the thread and re-evaluate. I do not have time to do that now, and last I checked I felt good about voting you. Would you rather me move to a no-lynch vote? Because I would rather do that than vote Alien, who I don't feel is scum.
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:11 pm
RobotNerd277 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:54 pm @Lunalee

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.
Hi RobotNerd, thanks for the prompt. I have trouble finding where I should give input in games like this with a lot of experienced players weighing in.

This looks like the post that started it all: A very innocent comment by sprityo about Mac not being actually green on MP's read list.
Here's why MacDougall dislikes sprityo:
Sprityo has avoided heat in ways he probably shouldn't have I want to see examples of this, because I don't see it in sprit's ISO.
sprityo responds to Mac's suspicions by saying "it was a joke" and "I'm bad at mafia"

Then there's Sprit's blow-up post and Mac's reaction to it. At first glance, it honestly looks like two civvs who don't understand each other.

But I can't help but notice how sprityo is reacting to this whole thing. He swings an attack, then immediately backs down, as if hoping to shut it down before Mac can swing back:
swing 1
back-down 1
swing 2
back-down 2

Mac's response to this is steady and forceful. He does not back down. This seems like a more common townie trait. If I had to pick a scum between Mac and Sprityo, I would choose Sprityo.
Early on you had the strongest town read on me of anybody and you flipped from this stance to being so convinced I am bad that your vote remains on me 10 minutes before EOD based on a case that a guy who doesn't even believe it himself made. You were scum reading sprityo. Your flip was extremely jarring and especially your insistence of leaving your vote there right now is especially weird. I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow if I live.
MAC YOU ARE NOT GETTING LYNCHED
Does my vote on you bother you this much?
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:08 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 pm @Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?
Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.
And you still gut read me Mafia?
Well yeah, I am voting for you.
So you genuinely believe that I am scum based on Jay's case even though he is off of his own case and you've got no other reason to scum read me?
No, I never "genuinely" believe anyone is scum until they flip scum. You just looked like the best lynch option today because of your suspicious TH bussing.
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:03 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 pm @Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?
Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.
Well yeah, I am voting for you.
oops, response was to this:
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 pm @Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?
Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.
And you still gut read me Mafia?
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 pm @Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?
Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.
Well yeah, I am voting for you.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:01 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 pm @Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?
Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:53 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Russtifinko wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:21 pm I don't like that Mac is still Top 3, or really even that there's a one-vote separation in the top 3 tbh. Lunalee, remind me why you're voting Mac? Who else do you suspect currently?
JJJ presented a convincing case on Mac being scum and trying to get TH lynched. I thought it was convincing, and put my vote on Mac. I don't feel like changing my vote because it looks like Infected_Alien is getting lynched anyways, and I'm willing to bet they flip town.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:48 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:35 pm I also don't like that the three people voting for me right now are all Mafia on my GTH.
Haha, so any suspect on you right now gets a "no u" back?
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:59 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

I officially [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine because of previous posts.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:47 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:35 pm Lunalee, you said earlier that you think the sprityo/Mac kerfuffle looks town/town, and that if one of them is a mafioso you'd bet on sprityo. Now you're willing to call Mac a lynch candidate. Please talk about what changed.
I read your stance on Mac pushing for a Turnip Head lynch. It looks convincing, and I had a weak opinion that sprityo was scum to begin with.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:12 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm I don't feel good about an Infected Alien lynch today. He has been engaging the thread and seems to be trying to learn the tone of this site while attempting to figure out who may be bad. And I don't blame him for it. M Plus 7 , JaggedJimmyJay Russtifinko do you have any suspicions other than Alien?
I do. Add MacDougall to the red pile here and tell me what you think of these red folks. :nicenod:
I'm leaning heavily toward Mac now, but from your list here's my thoughts:
Kylemii - I like his input so far. Don't want to lynch him yet
Infected_alien8 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1
Marmot - Is marmot a fan of WIFOM? If he were actually mafia would he joke about night-killing MP? I might be okay with a Marmot lynch
RobotNerd277 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1
Turnip Head - based on the case you just laid out about why Mac wants TH lynched, I don't want to lynch him either.
sprityo - If Mac is bad then sprityo is not (in my opinion)

So pending further information, I would support a Mac or Marmot lynch today.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:09 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 pm I don't feel good about an Infected Alien lynch today. He has been engaging the thread and seems to be trying to learn the tone of this site while attempting to figure out who may be bad. And I don't blame him for it. @M Plus 7 , @JaggedJimmyJay @Russtifinko do you have any suspicions other than Alien?
Not gonna lie this defence of me wins you over a bit to me lol
That wasn't my intent, but thanks. :hug:
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

I don't feel good about an Infected Alien lynch today. He has been engaging the thread and seems to be trying to learn the tone of this site while attempting to figure out who may be bad. And I don't blame him for it. [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] , [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Russtifinko[/mention] do you have any suspicions other than Alien?
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:52 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:47 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:44 pm In this case, I'm hedging, I admit that. But my posts don't have a net worth of 0, my slip discussion wasn't derailing the thread, my only read wasn't on you. These points are all factually incorrect.
If you could point to reads you presented in this thread before it was initially pointed out that you were hedging (I believe either MP or I made the first suggestion) in which you took a conclusive stance without a disclaimer -- that'd be something you ought to do. Dig up the quotes. Your read on MP, to my memory, is the glaring exception to that trend.
[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention] Oh, I see this now. You definitely delivered on this request. I rescind some of my suspicion on you.
by Lunalee
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:40 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:39 pm I like MP's colossal post outlining his stance on everyone.
I dislike Infected alien's colossal post explaining why he hasn't been hedgy with his opinions.
Why do you dislike it?
It is very defensive. Scum is more likely to play on the defensive, which makes me think you could be scum.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:39 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

I like MP's colossal post outlining his stance on everyone.
I dislike Infected alien's colossal post explaining why he hasn't been hedgy with his opinions.
by Lunalee
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:27 pm
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 0]

Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:37 am
Tsaiah wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm
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Lunalee wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:03 am My thoughts on everyone who has posted so far (in reverse alphabetical order):

I like Turnip Head for now. He's active and concise. I can keep up with his posts.
Tsaiah is on the "buddy MP" train. But has contributed a good bit for day 0. I'm keeping my eye on him.
Sprityo has come into the thread with nothing but questions about the game, and empty commentary on what's happening. I don't like his look.
Russtifinko is engaging with the thread and actually attempting to scum-hunt. He looking good.
MP needs to chill. I'm not going to read all your posts buddy. I don't have a read on you either. MP is playing super excited townie, which could also be a cover act if he's mafia.
No real read on Marmot yet. He seems like a typical day 0 player so far
Mac's first post looks like he's buddying MP. But then he later completely retracts that. Mac seems very convinced that he's town, and I don't have a reason to argue that yet.
Kylemii has only talked about his own meta, and cracked jokes. If he's town, he'd better start actually trying on day 1.
I like JJJ. He looks town to me.
Infected_alien is giving off a "commentary vibe" in his posts. Not too many actual opinions, but looks like he's adding something. I don't like it.
I feel like DH is the only sane person here, and I like his posts. I don't have an alignment read on him yet, but I'm keeping my eye on him.
Colin thinks Alien's hunting looks genuine. Am I missing something? Other than that, Colin hasn't added much to the thread. Slightly bad read.
abyssum has been very "careful" with their posts. They almost look too good. I don't trust them yet.
Lunalee, just fwiw, I'm a she. :3

What do you mean, exactly, about Aby being "careful" with their posts, how did "they almost look too good" to you, at that point?
Right, sorry I knew you were female, and forgot. :3
I was sort of skimming Aby's posts and don't remember exactly what I saw to make me feel that way. I'm going to take another look though....
At my second go-through, Aby actually looks pretty good. I'm willing to give them a town read for now and keep my eye on their opinions of other players.
Can you elaborate more on why aby looks good?
Not really. I just didn't see any posts in their ISO that looked suspicious to me. Gut feeling says Aby is good. That could change though.

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