The Syndicate

I also didn't mean to miss that last poll vote. I just put it off for the purpose of emulating my recent disengaged civ play and then got busy and missed it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:45 pm Gj fam. Especially SVS.
Thanks! I think it’s just easier to find small things in a thread without a billion posts lol.

I literally was in my chat like, I can't overreact because this is a classic case of caught out for the wrong reasons. I literally was not trying to set anyone up. I was just posting like I normally would. I had not thought it through to the point of oh if I say this I can vote that person tomorrow. Nope. When I am wolf, I just read posts as normal and if something jumps at my gut, I go with it like I normally would.

Unfortunately, my recent civ games look very disengaged, so I was just emulating my normal civ behavior. I didn't want to be wolf at all. But next time you try to yeet me for the reasons you came up with, you will probably be wrong, because it wasn't some big waffle attempt at setting up some other vote.

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S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:53 am @Spacedaisy

Here it is, sorry I forget to post it earlier.

ORANGE CRANBERRY BUNDT CAKE

2 1/2 cups flour

Orange zest (3 Tb if fresh, 2 if dried)

2 Tb Cointreau (any orange liqueur will do, I use this one, plus *optional* more to soak berries)

4 eggs, room temperature

1 cp fresh cranberries (OR 1 to 1 1/4 cp dried soaked overnight in orange liqueur) and @ another Tb of flour for berries, you might need a tad more if you use the soaked

2 cups sugar (1 3/4 cups if you use the dried liqueur soaked berries)

1 teaspoon baking powder

1 salt

1/2 teaspoon baking soda

2 sticks unsalted butter, at room temperature

GLAZE

1Tb butter

1 cup powdered sugar

appx 3 Tb heavy cream

1 Tb each Orange juice and Orange zest

1/2 tsp Orange Extract (or if you don't have this you can use some of the leftover liqueur from soaking the berries)

*If using dried soaked berries, put the berries in a flat (if possible) container with a cover, cover with liqueur, cover container and leave on counter overnight up to 24 hours

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

350* oven, preheated

Bundt pan, greased and floured

CAKE

Mix together the orange zest and juice, orange liqueur and eggs and set aside. In another bowl, toss the cranberries with 1 Tb of flour (drain the liqueur out first if you use the soaked berries, and drain it well)

Mix the dry ingredients (sugar, baking powder, salt, baking soda and 2 1/2 cups flour) together . On low speed (this works best with a stand mixer, hand mixer is a littler harder, but I used to make this with a wooden spoon and a whisk; it was a work out but it came out fine), add the butter 1 TB at a time and continue to mix until it takes a fairly uniform crumbly texture. While mixing, slowly pour in the set aside liquid ingredients until combined. With a med-high mixer (this would be where the hand mixing work out comes in) beat until light and fluffy, about 2 minutes with the mixer.

*BY HAND* with a spoon, fold in the cranberries. Pour the batter into the pan and tap it gently on the counter to even out and lift air bubbles.

Bake 50-60 minutes depending on your oven (I have an electric oven now, and it takes @55, when I had a gas oven it was closer to 50, I'd start testing between 45-50 mins) verify with the toothpick test, if it comes out clean you're good.

Let it cool in the pan on the counter for about 20 mins-half an hour, and mix the glaze.

GLAZE

Whisk together the ingredients (don't be tempted to melt the butter; it whisks easier melted, but the texture is different), start with 3 TB of cream, drizzle small amount more in if you want a bit more creamy texture.

Remove the cake from the pan, slowly pour the glaze on and refrigerate to "set" the glaze before serving.

It's a versatile cake, good enough for Thanksgiving company dessert next to the pumpkin pie, but also perfect for a cake to keep around anytime for a quick snack.

Thanks lady!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:04 pm I don't see any reason to let SixStrings live past day 3. If he's town the wolf will be Wilgy.
I would rather yeet Daisy first, please. I have no reason to think she is town, but i do have reason to think he is. Wilgy is not a wolf, you are not a wolf.

If I am wrong, I will sit down and shut up. But I very seriously don't think I am.

I am skimming back the last couple pages to try and get my bearing and see this. How can you not have any reason to see me town? I was here at EoD 1. I was trying to catch up, but I was keeping an eye on the poll. I could have saved sig but I didn’t. I don’t get this at all. It isn’t like I came in and put a vote on a runaway train or anything. It was close when I first cast my vote and I stayed there. It’s crazy to me that I’m even here right now.

You know what though, just go ahead. Resolve me so you all can do some actually baddie hunting instead of worrying about me. Better me than possibly a more useful civ than me. Because I’m obviously not much help.

I’m so sorry for losing track here. What is happening and why on earth do I have four votes?

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Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:01 pm

So do you think Mac is trying to discredit town leaders or do you think he's just arrived at this solve? Or are you going for the wombo combo where he's discrediting leaders, which involves pushing his partner, sig?

This last sentence has given too much ambiguity (is that the right word)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:51 pm
Neon doesn't really believe the read because frankly the idea that she's in need of discrediting makes no sense.

Think about where her mindset was at prior to me outing my real read.

Mac lock town most obvious town in the game.

Aside from that she was doing very little aside from jokingly claiming mafia when pressured and voting you ... because she didn't agree with my read on you. Which isn't a good enough reason to vote but that's not my point.

She was not in a position where I would need to discredit her. The idea that I decided abruptly to switch my read on someone who, if I was mafia and they are town, I have them hoodwinked entirely, doesn't make sense as a move to be discrediting her... in actuality it doesn't make sense as a wolf move at all.

To clarify the reality, Neon tried to pocket me. I let them believe that it had worked so that I could make associative reads. If I did this to a town, me doing that is more in my town meta than scum meta and given Neon had me as so obvious town as to joke about how obvious I was, switching to scumreading me for something like this is not towny at all.

If you (Dennis) were suspicious enough for her to have been able to articulate a reason to suspect you beyond I disagree with Mac hence I'm voting, then I could humour she thinks I'm concerned that she will single handedly get you over, my wolf teammate Dennis. But you and I both know that we are not wolf teammates lol.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:31 am I can very easily articulate a reason why I believe Dennis is scum but would you actually listen? Or am I wasting my breath?

Kinda think I'm wasting my breath.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:56 am
I asked you why you were voting him before and you said it was because it's fun, and because you disagree with me.

Given I have already asked, why would you think I'd not be interested?

If you had a real reason, why didn't you say it when I asked the first time?

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 am Right but I didn't think you actually wanted to know. And my vote was initially a pressure vote.

But see since than Dennis has gradually confirmed my suspicions.

I think Dennis' reads are weak. I don't think he actually believes them. I know Dennis is capable of articulate posts describing his PoV as town. I know Dennis is capable of reads with nuance. I've tried to get Dennis to expand and he's flat out refused or said he can't expand which feels fake to me. It feels like Dennis is flowing through the state of the thread and trying to blend in.

For instance his read on kate was weak and followed the general flow of the thread where Kate was being generally TRd.

His vote on me only came after the flow of the thread wrt me switched and multiple people who had been silent in my slot or flat out lying about their read on me started to sus me.

Further Dennis' memey personality helps vacant, flat. Kinda forced when he does do it but almost missing overall. Like I tend to meme less and post less gifs when I'm wolf because I'm aware that it draws undue attention to me and flat out pisses some people off.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:44 am Oh cool you do have reasons

I am never ever confident on D1 about my reads. They will always, and have always come off as hedgy or weak or whatever other synonyms I can't think of. I always feel like I need more time or more posts and I can't come to a conclusion quick so it bothers me when people tell me I'm being hedgy

My read on kate was weak because I'm scared of her lol. I mean yeah I believe I have a pretty good chance of being right but I know what she's capable of as wolf so I'm not full clearing her on D1. I guess what I should have said was "I'm not voting Kate today" or something like that but I for some reason feel like my opinion on Kate specifically had to be out there because of the whole "soul read" thing I think we have

I very rarely vote early in days and I even more rarely vote early D1. I don't know if I even have and my vote on you following thread state is probably a combination of following the people I trust, a sr on you and me thinking "I should probably vote soon". So I guess I am blending a little bit I don't exactly mean to

Shrug emoji to this one, all I can really say is I feel like my personality is showing through MUCH more than my wolf games if you look those through

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:22 pm Yeah I hate this

Ok I found it. Also, I had to read it multiple times because I was struggling to parse it and I'm wondering now if that wasn't why it was so niggly in my brain. I took it out of nesting so it was easier for me to sort through, mentally.

But I think what my gut reaction to it was that it didn't feel like an accurate description of Dennis. I had done that reading day 1 and when I read this it was like, this doesn't stick right, why doesn't it stick right? I think it just was really different than the impression I had of Dennis. I think I'm falling on the side of giving Dennis a town lean at the moment.

I'm still feeling town lean on Wilgy, I don't know about falcon. I feel pretty comfortable calling Mac town. All the moves look just like his normal civ game to me. Despite thinking SVS is wrong about me, I think her take on Dennis makes me feel like I could say town lean there also so who does that leave in my PoE?

falcon, Mata, Neon, sixstrings

Meh.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 am
Spoiler: show
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:30 pm

Can you point out why you think so? Specific posts?
No.
Would be good though.
Yeah but I'd also have to go live in ISOs and I do not desire to do that.

I probably talked about it when it happened.

If I didn't than like *shrugs* sometimes I don't want to reveal my hand
It isn't helpful to town cohesiveness to be so vehemetly dismissive of a polite request without at least stating why.
*shrugs*
All righty then.

Look, Neon. I was trying to find common ground with you because I found you towny earlier; in my vote post, that's why I voted for sig, not you. But I found it hard to move past your joining sig on his last minute Wilgy Wagon attempt. I have more reasons for thinking many here are good rather than bad. I was hoping we could find some common ground., so i asked you why you townread the two people I am conflicted on.

I was hoping to understand your position, and also help to inform my own, not force you to do something you loathe.

I wish every game had only 11 people in it, lol. And that I know most of them well enough, and there isn't anyone I've never played with, it's so much easier to have actual opinions.

This is where I'm at,

Dennis- town
Dr Wigly- town
falcon45ca- lean town
MacDougall- Town
Matahari- leans someway, could be that I am always paranoid of Matahari. It's not that I disagreed with much of what she's said (and whether or not someone agrees with me isn't AI), it's that I don't particularly understand it. Like this vote post,

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:09 pm I made a list of possible teammates while rereading the thread again, and Neon’s name came up more often than Sigs did. Well, she was on one more team than Sig. I’m going to put my vote on her for now, unless something major happens to change my mind.
[VOTE: Neon] aubergine
Neon- lean bad
SixStrings-lean town, but not for reasons of anything he's done. I doubt anyone busses their wife, who is their only teammate, in a game she loves, when they themselves are not very invested. This would not end well for him.
Spacedaisy-leans ???; very smooth well crafted posts. Daisy always feels level and even to me. I will say in rereading her, this felt very wiggly to me, almost as if she was positioning herself to justify a vote for either Neon or Dennis with this post, depending on how the thread played out.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:06 pm
I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

I can see why it would make that impression, but no it was one of the two but I just couldn't remember what it is and I'll have to go back and even see if I can find it again or if it's just lost to deep recesses of my brain where lots of things get swallowed up, like remembering to get into the thread because I've foolishly chosen to play a game.

Spoiler: show

Mind meld. I was literally thinking why would Dennis kill Kate when she was defending him? That doesn't look to me like a solo Dennis kill. I think it actually is a better look for him being possible town.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:02 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:15 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm @falcon45ca why would you think it’s hypocritical or gross? Trying to weigh all interpretations and all sides of a situation (basically overthinking) in order to be as fair as possible, doesn’t seem gross to me. Please explain what you think is gross?
So what are your actual reads then?

If you're actually considering all sides of the situation and entertaining the legitimacy of them, then surely you must see how to town there's gonna be the appearance of hypocrisy
My reads will change from day to day, as thread info comes in.
As of right now, I have as probable town: SVS, Dennis, Daisy, and I’m keeping Strings in this group for the time being, even without much info to go on. He’s new and I hope he gets enough time to enjoy playing.
Everyone else is just in a gray area right now. I don’t hardcore suspect anyone but not sure if anyone in this group is town either. I need to see more from them.
Yesterday, I did suspect Neon a bit, but I think maybe I’m just not used to her posting style, and I am trying to be fair. I want to wait a bit and try to see if I can understand her pov.
I also had doubts about Mac towards the end of day 1, but I could also see how a civ might change their mind and try to get people to ‘re-open the case’. I’ve done this before so I need to think on this some more.
At this point, I would really like to see what everyone thinks about everyone.
People I'm Not voting for:

Wilgy, Dennis, Mac, Six

People I Would Need convincing to vote for:

Falcon and Now (ALL NEW!) Matahari

People I could consider pending input:

Daisy, that one post was so well crafted to leave her options open.

And I already voted for Neon, but I'm not married to that. I felt good about her until the end of the day, and the way she went for Dennis overnight. I have to read her and Macs interactions. Also sig interactions, I started doing that this AM, but never finished becasue work (boo hiss).

What are you seeing about Daisy that I am not? That one post I quoted earlier, about Neon and Dennis ... that keeps poking at the back of my mind.

I love that you call me well crafted and I can't recall what the other word is. You really are obsessing over nothing. I'm a stream of consciousness kind of poster. If I think it, I'm going to post it. If I don't post it, I might forget it. Case in point, I still haven't gone back to see if I can figure out what was niggling at me. It might not even have been anything, I literally can't remember. I don't know if you were around when my brain got sabotaged by my thyroid, but my memory is like swiss cheese these days, But I do love the idea that you think I'm that slick. Once I get done I will go back and look for that thing.

Spoiler: show

Mind meld. I think the only vote on there I don't trust is Neon.

Spoiler: show

If I was setting myself up to move my vote, why didn't I? This makes no sense. I never would have moved to neon because my biggest suspicion of Neon at the time was based on how sig would flip. Why would I vote Neon first? You have some conf bias going on, I have not been excessively waffling.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:09 pm This game is actually one of the few games I'm in that feels not stressful to me. I'm just... not having fun.

That's nobody's fault really it's my own. But not having fun atp has lead to me losing focus and my world state and understanding of the game is utterly garbage.

Does it help to know I think you are a lovely human?

Ok, I'm off to see whatever it was.

EBWOP: I make no promises about my involvement *until* Tuesday afternoon.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:57 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:07 pm I’m pretty sure I broke the 5/5 tie though iirc.
Nah fam. He died by 1 vote and that was my self pres

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:31 am She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:31 am She's taking credit for a kill that ultimately was not decided by her play
Maybe ultimately, but at the time she did, she was making the kill vote.

I mean, really, anyone who was here and didn’t move their vote can say the same. There was a lot of activity at the last minute. I feel better about most the voters on sig. Of all the voters at the end, your kill vote is the one I give the least cred for, Neon, because it was self pres. You were trying to move the vote away from the two of you before that.

Mac, did you really doubt your vote there? Because it had me truly stressed last minute trying to decide if I was off base. Also I don’t understand your suspicion of Wilgy. I have a town lean on Wilgy.

I also have a town lean on falcon atm. It’s probably that I found their thoughts most like my own, so they felt civ to me. Same with Wilgy.

I feel like there was something between Neon and Dennis that felt off to me, but I can’t remember what. I’ll try to go back to find that after I get done working. I may or may not be back in today, Monday is the day I try to stuff in as much work as I can because it’s the last day of the pay period. I make no promises about my involvement in Tuesday afternoon.

@fingersplints @Roxy How are you handling ties?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:26 pm Kinda rich coming from someone who’s made 1 on topic post.

I mean, I did just read most of the relevant posts in a sitting, it can give a little perspective. But I'm just doing the best I can with Day 1, there is never much to go on, but you feel like the best bet to me, all things considered. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:54 pm
I’ll dig it up this weekend. It involves dried cranberries and orange liqueur to rehydrate the berries. OMFG it’s awesome. She also made it with dried cherries and Cherry Kijafa.

Orange and cranberry are one of my favorite flavor combinations.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:58 pm And what, pray tell, did you have for dessert??

ice cream actually. Mint chocolate Viennetta.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:17 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:37 pm Spacedaisy didn't vote either cake OR pie
Alas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.
Nevermind spacedaisy is bad for maintaining real life relationships and not putting our poll about cake and pie first

Sound logic. [VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:58 am Sherry, I’m sorry to hear your news. My condolences to you and your family.
Proud slanker here. I’m usually pretty quiet during the first two days, but by day 3, I never seem to stop talking.
I’ve played maybe 7 games in the last 6 years that are not classic games, and it still blows my mind the way people throw votes out so early on day 1. I understand that sometimes the votes are just a way to engage a player and get them to talk, but sometimes it’s not. So I’m going to ask a question (hypothetical situation, actually) and I would really like to hear ppl’s thoughts about it. I understand though, if you would prefer not to discuss this, as it might interfere with your personal strategy. Ok, here goes:

The hosts post that there has been a lice outbreak in the nursery/playroom, and everyone has to go home for the day so the room can be decontaminated. Everyone has 1 hour to either vote or abstain. What would you do?

I’d really like to hear what people would do, but again, I understand if you prefer to keep your thought private.

I always struggle at the beginning of games and recently find it really difficult to stay engaged in games. It's why I don't play often anymore, so I feel you on the slanker thing. Also, this was the most creative GTH read request I've ever seen and I love it, lol.

I'm leaning sig or Neon atm.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:25 am You okay? Did you get lost during catch up!

Honestly, not all the great. While the situation with the original anxiety is mostly resolved and life isn't bad, there is a general malaise that hangs on at the moment. My hormones are probably being little bitches and fucking with me, honestly. Also, the Friday-Monday time frame tends to be when I am doing the most work. I've been pretty buried in work files the last couple days. So it's a little of this, little of that. But it's not a great excuse, because it's unfair to the other players and hosts. Sorry.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 am
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already

Mind meld on this one.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:52 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:44 am
Neon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:24 pm
See I'll murder Sig.

But the thing is that won't clear me either will it because lol Neon busses.

I'm not shielding sig just because I disagree with your Dennis read.

This reads like she knows sigs flip already
Hmm... This is a good observation.

Mind meld.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:11 pm
Isn't that just the normal evolution of a gut read?

Gut > Solid > Tinfoil > Solid?

Mind meld.

Ok so...

MacDougall is my only solid town read atm. That thing he pulled where he put out fake reads to see the reactions is a frequent town maneuver that I've noticed him doing.

I didn't think anything of the supposed slip that Kate was talking about. However, I do think what Neon said is sus. This combined with the fact that sig seemed like he was poking around trying to see what would stick. My only fear here is that sig has frequently got yeeted day 1 over the years for being weird. But I'm going to go with my gut here because he's the one I feel the most scum lean on. Instead of scum hunting, it felt like he spent the day throwing spaghetti at the wall and discrediting Kate for what looked to me like a normal read progression.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:00 pm Team Cake. Pie crust is a pain to make, and I don’t love the texture.

While cake can literally be anything. My fave is an orange cranberry cake with orange icing. Yum. My Moms recipe.

Uh, I need said recipe, ASAP. If I do not receive said recipe before the end of the day, I shall vote for you every day until either you or I am dead.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:08 pm
I’m semi seriously throwing out a Dennis/Wilgy mafia team.

If I’m right be prepared for an “I told you so” post game rant if I’m wrong this was just a silly little day 0 joke

This would be an epic team and I hope you are wrong, lol.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:51 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:40 pm Niiiice, I just realized this is Day 0. I'm even less behind than I expected. Score.
Your n0 votes matters more than any vote has ever mattered in the history of mattering. So take it very seriously when you vote pie.

I, uh, think I might have voted cake actually because although I love some pie, others I really don't. But I rarely hate cake.

Also, brownies are superior to all three of these options, as is strawberry shortcake, or even a good cobbler.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:37 pm Spacedaisy didn't vote either cake OR pie

Alas, I made the dreadful mistake of eating dinner and spending time with my husband before finishing my catch up.

Niiiice, I just realized this is Day 0. I'm even less behind than I expected. Score.

Hey folks, just posting before I go back and check in. Had some anxiety last night and went to bed early instead of coming in and playing. So now I get to catch up. Fun. Luckily you are a quieter bunch and I don't have 20 gazillion posts to read.

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