The Syndicate

I feel pretty happy with my gut reads of Luna and Muugen, but Jack woulda had me fooled if not for Mac and Sprityo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:21 pm I did not think town could win so convincingly in a game without role reveals. Nice.

This was an excellent civ showing!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:47 am Why would daisy get souped?

She’s claimed a targeting power.

Targeting powers are cop (claimed), oracle (claimed), vig (didn’t target), marter, clown. If either the marter or clown got nked and the mafia learned their role, then the mafia knows Daisy’s role. If not, they have a 50% guess.

So she’s in the same bucket you are. If she’s town, she dies tonight. If she’s not, she has explaining to do tomorrow.

I read the roles and mechanics. Soup kills sure are interesting. Failed soup kills doubly so.

Well, here’s to hoping this ends the game.

Oh man, I think I just hammered. I’m so not used to this voting.

I’m going to cast my [VOTE: Jack] aubergine to be sure I don’t forget, but Jack I will be listening still to hear your case. Votes are changeable and I don’t wanna miss again.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:45 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:47 pm If it's a simple missed kill then it's Spacedaisy.

Wrong. I submitted my action thank you very much. I’m not bad.

Well it wasn't a simple missed kill so I am not wrong. So eat a dick.

<3

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:18 pm @Spacedaisy you didnt get targeted with the night kill right?

Not that I am aware of. Would I be told if so?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:49 pm the only other people who couldve been the night kill target would be daisy or jack, so im gonna trust nutella's claim

I don’t understand your logic, can you explain?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:47 pm If it's a simple missed kill then it's Spacedaisy.

wrong

Good to know you are aware of this too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:47 pm If it's a simple missed kill then it's Spacedaisy.

Wrong. I submitted my action thank you very much. I’m not bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:34 pm I lives!

Also I got no result sadly.

Too bad there wasn’t a plan to increase the chance you get results every night...

My vote is in guys.

I’m sorry I haven’t voted twice, but it’s not as if I’m not also contributing. My schedule is out of wack because of travel and taking care of someone else. I just forgot, plain and simple. I get this there is a lack of information on me but you can take a look at my interactions and judge from there what I’m actually doing which I think is a fair amount honestly.

And I’m going to try to make sure I don’t miss more because it wasn’t my intent. I would’ve voted Luna Day 1, my entire day interactions should’ve made that clear. Day 2 I would have followed whatever vote Mac wanted because I trust him.

Right now I feel worse about Muug than Sloonei, but I don’t feel great about Sloonei either and am perfectly comfortable with my vote there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:03 pm I think my POE is Sloonei and Muugen now that I've had a chance to read.

This is where I fall.

I feel like Jack has actually tried in the last day to push things through that help the civs. He had me putting him at a town read before your claim. I’m more inclined to look at Sloonei and I already felt bad about muug.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:26 pm saw that one coming

hi nutella

I didn’t, why did you expect that?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:11 pm Folks, I'm just doing things.

We all are. We got 2 witches already

But we don’t know that Sabie was do we? I’m confused.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:18 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:16 pm Except those awkward in thread exchanges "Oh we're definitely not a private chat together *evil laugh*"

What is this in reference to?

What do you mean?

I don’t know a more straightforward way to ask that question.

The post I quoted, what were you talking about?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:16 pm Except those awkward in thread exchanges "Oh we're definitely not a private chat together *evil laugh*"

What is this in reference to?

I looked up at the clock and realized I did it again. He worst part is I wasn’t even doing a damn thing!

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Lol, I give up on this night. I’m going away for a bit. Later

Jack was the one who pushed through the use of the pie plan which enabled you to get this info in the first place. Would he do that as a witch do you think? It’s why I had him as a town read.

Wait...

Feeling, not feeding.

I’ll vote Jack if that’s where we want the majority today.

I’ll follow you guys. Right now I’m feeding Jack Sabie and Possibly Sprit or Sloonei if the first two are wrong.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:31 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

I wanted to say, it’s impossible within the roles list mac would know for certain Luna is scum

You should read the roles list again

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:28 pm Aside from the pity party does anyone object macs statement or are we gonna collectively not care enough to speak against it and let it happen?

I have seen no pity party.

I’m not thrilled we might lose his power this early, but we should use it for what it’s worth imo.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:25 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

Of course, they "could" be compatible. That's like default compatibility.

It's similar to scum-reading someone that hasn't posted. They could be scum lol

So you want to ignore a possibility? That’s seems incredibly shortsighted to me

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm Sprit and Epi are front-runners for scum compatibility with a potential witch Luna.

Explain why you think this?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

That was exactly what I was talking about, Jack I mean.

Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

I agree with your assessment of Sabie in relation to Luna. Question, how likely do you think she was to include her teammate in her top three people she’d be interested in lynching list?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:46 pm Yo spill it out. The number of roles that could have information is low, you're a dead man walking if you're truthful.

Linki

You witch.

What's the hurry? The day is young. I don't want to do it and then have someone make a really logical argument as to why I shouldn't have.

Fair enough. Don’t rush. I suppose it could make a difference if there are multiple info roles, I just assumed one in particular.

Do you even linki?

Doesn’t work properly on phone. Deal with it.

Guys, don’t forget that NKs have the chance of being protected and Soup kills do not. That is a huge difference and should be considered

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:46 pm Yo spill it out. The number of roles that could have information is low, you're a dead man walking if you're truthful.

Linki

You witch.

What's the hurry? The day is young. I don't want to do it and then have someone make a really logical argument as to why I shouldn't have.

Fair enough. Don’t rush. I suppose it could make a difference if there are multiple info roles, I just assumed one in particular.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:29 pm At a certain point in this game, anybody who holds information is going to need to assess whether it’s more valuable to share or keep it secret.

Idk what else to say on this matter.

This is basically a description of every mafia game with disco role of any type ever. Thanks for the unhelpful fluff.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:37 pm I will put info in here in 5 minutes unless I hear a good reason why I shouldn't.

If you’ve already outed yourself there is no reason not to share the info.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:37 pm I will put info in here in 5 minutes unless I hear a good reason why I shouldn't.

Soup?

So I should be night killed and take this knowledge to the grave rather than be soup killed?

You e already claimed, you’re probably fucked. If you hadn’t claimed they might have tried a regular kill rather than a soup kill and the angels could have protected you possibly. But they can’t protect from a soup kill, so just put your info out there since you already claimed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:19 pm Question: Why would Mac suspect Sabie without giving a case?

Spacedaisy: Not worth thinking about

Interesting response.

Information you are disregarding: I’ve had Mac jerk me around before because that’s the way he plays and I don’t feel like wandering down that path. If he wants o build a case he can do it, in fact I’d love to hear it because I don’t yet have a read on Sabie, feel like she has slid under my radar. If he doesn’t then I will judge Sabie on my own, separate from his no case statement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:30 pm I find it concerning that spacedaisy says she can't figure out why I seem off. She's gonna be my guinea pig the check if votes are changeable.

Wow. Solid reason, that one.

It should be very obvious why I seem off. Why the uncertainty?

Because I wanted to read you again before I decided if I was jumping to conclusions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:30 pm I find it concerning that spacedaisy says she can't figure out why I seem off. She's gonna be my guinea pig the check if votes are changeable.

Wow. Solid reason, that one.

Current reads
Town:
Epi
Nova
Jack

Slight Town
Sprit

Slight Bad
Sloonei
Mac

Bad
Muug

Juliets asked me about the role claiming to put a discovered witch and I was considering it earlier and I think it’s a bad idea. The angels can protect someone from a regular NK, but not from a soup kill. Do not claim imo.

Possible vig, not big

i realize I’m suspecting muug of doing exactly the same thing Mac accused Sprit of doing but there is a different feel in muig’s posts compared to day Juliets posts yesterday or Sprit’s.

Also Jack, I feel like muug trying to point at a possible big seems like an attempt to discredit any info we could possibly gain. I think he looks bad.

Speedchuck, are votes changeable?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:36 pmPass.

Then I’ll pass on taking this suspicion seriously. :P

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:54 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:39 am I like the idea of using the clown and the oracle as pseudo flips for at least one player. Plus, it will inform the oracle when the clown dies. Telling the mafia who the cop peak was is a teenie tiny downside that I don’t really care about.

Both the clown and the oracle should target Epi because Epi needs a pie to the face.

we also want to limit role talk because giving the mafia any indication you are what role is suicide for the whole town

that includes speculation on dead player's roles

This sure sounds like what a Mafia would say if Lunalee was Mafia.

Disagree Mac. Talking too much about dead people’s roles could tip the witches to who Lilith is. This post looks decent for Sprit. I think the witches will want to get us talking as much as possible to try and ferret out our roles for the soup kill and also to figure out who Mordecai and Lilith are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:54 pm Like, how do we handle lynches if we can’t see any flips? Have we talked about that? What’s the leading thought there?

Cross our fingers. Have you never played a game with no lynch flips? I find you making me feel a littl anxious, like you seem off to me and I can’t put my finger on why.

muugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:09 pm I don't really see the process of elimination by talking Town reads when we're supposed to be finding scum.

When you are identifying town reads, you’re literally eliminating suspects as mafia. This is the definition of PoE.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:25 pm

muugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:07 pm Instead dog continuously giving out Town Reads why not start giving out your scum reads.

I'd say the two that come to mind are Mac for not wanting share his reasoning on wanting Sabie lynched.

Spirityo for falling the lynch I don't believe I even see any indication for a FoS

Jack D0/1 was mostly compiled with Fluff and this DP seems to be Role Fishing

I placed a vote on Mac

Tell me what specifically about my plan is bad. Cause you characterizing it as role fishing implies you think it’s a fake plan designed to out roles.

Did I miss a plan you put forward?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:08 pm Not a fan of Muu's talk about night kill analysis just after Juliets dying. Feels pre-emptive. The vig point is moot since there could have been no vig shot on N1 all things considered.

There literally couldn’t have been a vig kill. I have a light townread on Muu for not reading the role list. Mafia powers are centered around town roles and I think they’d be very aware of them.

Disagree on muug. Other people have been hesitant about plans we’ve discussed and felt more like cautious civs to me. Mug feels like a wolf worried about getting trapped by civs utilizing strategy and PoE.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:41 pmLynch Sabie

I’m listening, why?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:34 pm @Spacedaisy what are your thoughts on the cop and oracle outting themselves to give us a witch?

I dunno, I’ve never been a fan of outing, but if they are in danger of being night killed it’s better than the info dying with them. I think they can make the best choice for themselves. I trust their judgement.

Updated reads:
Epi - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - Town
Jack - Town

It’s not a civ mind set. Civs lynch people they suspect, not someone who is on vacation.

That said, I still think the whole of your posts look civ.