The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:06 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 am And oh, Lime Coke's Brad? Somehow, that didn't even occur to me until now.
Turbo the guy, in that case. I villaged with him in DragonVale (admittedly he was alting but not for long) and his play didn't look like this.

@alexa How uncharitable of me to wolfread someone who's constantly self-aware, overreacts to the slightest wolfread, seeks to appease people scumreading them and pushed Transcend for bad reasons on day 1 according to TSP. I could probably spare the sarcasm, but the fact you're OMGUSing me right away for this is honestly laughable.

There are some villagery things you've done, and you've definitely been solving, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me not to townread you based on what I've seen from you in the early game, which is all that I've seen so far. And considering you seem to have misyeeted Transcend who'd be among my top TRs right now if he were alive. Yes, villagers make mistakes and push on town all the time, but I'm not sure how you can have this "scumreading me is bad faith ditto" attitude with all that in mind.

I don't hold my DragonVale misyeet against people like illario because I defended two wolves in that game and it was natural to me I'd get suspected. If you're a villager, it should be natural to you too, but instead I sense immense salt.

Don't take this personally, this isn't an attack on your character. But regardless, I think me not townreading you and putting you in PoE is perfectly fine. And sure, LC defended you on a meta basis, but LC is also very wolfy - so I don't weigh that much, if at all. Plus, you defended him as well, and I think he probably flips W now. I won't pursue this line until I actually see LC's flip, but yeah.

1. I'm self-aware. This is my playstyle. You nitpicked a post I hedged and quite literally said I hedged but just wanted to talk about my immediate thoughts. You're acting exactly how I'd expect a wolf to while picking apart me on a micro-level and ignoring things on a macro level

2. You literally cannot say Transcend would be a top townread when you weren't there

3. And this, TSP's information is wrong, I literally SAID THAT I VILLAGE READ TRANSCEND BY THE END OF THE DAY. It was mac and Alison specifically who were pushing that yeet through - I was one of the few people trying to engage with him and stating that I felt like his EOD was actually coming from him as a villager - he was just making his own bed

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:03 am Tbh I don’t think anyone remembers anyone’s playstyle in anni. I remember seeing tsp there and if u told me this guy here and the dude I saw in anni were the same people I’d be shocked

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:56 am @ilario - Vulgard's posts on me feel extreme Uncharitable but i know i tend to get my view tainted by people's reads on me but it's not inspiring confidence on the slot, what do you think?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:29 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:27 am basically the read on transcend was he should have known that LC was town if he was town and the fact that he expressed doubt was scummy and if that argument sounds like TMI to you then uh idk it is probably

This sounds more like wtf than scummy. Those types of reads kill paranoid/doubtful villagers all the time.

I wanted to say that's actually towny for alexa in a vacuum if transcend didn't change his alexa read afterward. If you're wolfing, you don't push the villagers who are townreading you. However, if you're truthful about the reasoning used to push on him, that's so horrendous that I'm back to scumreading her for it.

Did anyone else embark on the push with commentary other than placing naked votes? What did they say?

And have you fulfilled your solving quota for the day already? Is that why you aren't solving and just listening to me talk like illario?

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:45 am The interesting thing is, if I were to take alexa and LC as town that means the wolves had almost no presence the entire start of the game and have just been relying on town to self implode

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:26 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:25 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:05 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:04 pm hiiiiiii im in class for the next few hours i did a very quick skim (<5 mins spent)

quick fire reads i think matt/lime/essoa town
alexa scum

LMAO WTF WHY

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:06 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:05 pm Alexa with the two early scumreads.

Let's see if she can turn this around cotton.

i am confirmed town

if i was wolf literally no one would scumread me i am a good wolf

Engaging the alexa tunnel, this feels very performative in response to a read made within the first 3 pages of the game.

yeah but

But?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:19 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:17 am fwiw if you're town you should vote for LC because nanook /will/ (probably) hammer and if you're town that's like ~always~ a hit
if you're a wolf you should do it too but idk

If LC's a wolf then lolme townreading him already when I didn't know they were outed (?)

How are they outed and how does it relate to me being town?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:25 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:05 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:04 pm hiiiiiii im in class for the next few hours i did a very quick skim (<5 mins spent)

quick fire reads i think matt/lime/essoa town
alexa scum

LMAO WTF WHY

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:06 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:05 pm Alexa with the two early scumreads.

Let's see if she can turn this around cotton.

i am confirmed town

if i was wolf literally no one would scumread me i am a good wolf

Engaging the alexa tunnel, this feels very performative in response to a read made within the first 3 pages of the game.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:50 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm eh you don't kill ilario because nanook and tsp are liable to go full on mac sheep

macs read on me wasnt real
he was thinking emotionally instead of logically because half the lobby treated him like an outed wolf for no reasons,and thats why i specifically knew he was town. because ive been in his position where people paranoia-fos me or fearfos me and then u start reading with ego.

i mean i sorta agree and i don't really know why everyone decided to chop mac for no reason at eod yesterday if apparently you all knew he was town

i think only me and nanook trd him, and he was gunning hard for me so i sorta got very confused and didnt know what to do with it since it all happened right before eod.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:16 pm i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

why

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:05 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

…Sure. Kinda villagery? The mindset presented isn't something I see wolves fake very often, because it's dumb and wolves ~usually~ don't want to sound dumb.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:52 pm My hedgy thought coming into the game was basically that Matt is town for the energy (I know he was worried about wolfing against this table and I know the last time I wolfed with him he was nervous AF) but also he’s a very capable wolf and not out of his wolf range so I’m nervous to out a read there until he says more, I enjoyed his entrance though

I dislike the phrasing "my hedgy thought" for the self-awareness. Also, who's Matt?

This read feels pretty forced, especially considering it ends up meandering from "matt town" to "matt good wolf" to "matt not out of wolfrange" to "i don't wanna read him yet" to "his entrance good tho." It goes up and down like a sinewave, only to reach a nonexistent conclusion. It's like alexa can't decide what her read on the slot (whoever Matt is) should be, but also feels pressured to put out some reads, so she offers this hedgemaze. The fact she's self-aware about it doesn't make it better.

I feel like village alexa wouldn't bother with this, and possibly wouldn't feel the need to bother in general, in the first place.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:11 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there

i agree tbh and said as much whenever ago but Alexa was reevaluating on lime (don't know how that's going)

Oh, so that's the situation.

Can you hold off on killing Wiml and read my posts, or is it pointless for me to post? The slot is town.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:39 am Hello.

- I have not backread the game whatsoever.
- I don't know what my slot did, and I won't bother to defend their actions. I have never played with Wiml, and I don't know what he thinks. Read me on my previous slot or don't, I don't even know my slot's position, so whatever.
- Lol why is ilario's name with just one l.

I'm definitely not going to backread 105 pages. 105 pages. In 3 days.

Anyway.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:50 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm eh you don't kill ilario because nanook and tsp are liable to go full on mac sheep

macs read on me wasnt real
he was thinking emotionally instead of logically because half the lobby treated him like an outed wolf for no reasons,and thats why i specifically knew he was town. because ive been in his position where people paranoia-fos me or fearfos me and then u start reading with ego.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:00 am Ender v lime is interesting tho

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:54 am Anyway do we need to drag this day out? It's fairly clear wiml is almost certainly dying, we have over 5000 posts to make reads on, and we can build clear worlds around wiml's flip either way imo

So yeah I say we hammer and go from there

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:36 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:30 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

What are the problems?

first thing that sticks out from memory is the "TMI" read on transcend because transcend was nook's first townread, why would that approach be considered TMI?
i will go through it for real though actually in the morning i'm kind of too tired to game right now but yeah

Because who ACTUALLY townreads Transcend in this game? Even if you "say" you townread him, you never actually meant it. Fuck him, ya'know.

Nanook just threw a townread on Transcend and never explained why. It's a TMI read.

Idk dude he looked like obvious town to me

That's not a real thought.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:26 pm ok that last post from LC is actually villagery af

yes @Lime Coke but i have some problems with it

why do you think Wiml is town?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:14 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:36 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:35 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.

Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

EM players are historically dreadful at misclearing each other lol but I think alexa/illario are pretty good at reading each other correctly (or at least alexa is at illario, I've never seen wolf alexa town illario before).

Fwiw that illario wolf game I linked you ages ago ended recently where alexa initially tunneled him really hard but came round to calling him 95% likely town. She was wrong in the end but her confidence in him being town was a lot less than it was here.

This is also the reason why I said my illario read was out of my wolfrange yesterday but that's another topic.

Hey...I take offense to that...I read most of my EMers pretty well.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm I have never seen alexa be this confident on an EM player read and be wrong ever (with the possible exception of her Neo tunnel but that was different and a scumread).

And I was right on Neo that game!

TAKE THAT ALEXA!

NEO TOWN!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

You forgot the part where I'm also townshielding Alexaaaaaa?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:09 pm team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

I always kill Illario if I'm mafia. Like I said he's never been voted off on FM as far as I remember. So why would you keep what is basically unlynchable if you're mafia?

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:14 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.

read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it

I'm in the same boat. If Esooa got sus'd I would've hard shielded. But Esooa never got sus'd so Esooa didn't get town shielded.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:16 pm i think nanook telling lime to call his vote is maybe arbitrarily nagl

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm alexa saying that esooa was an obvious villager is something I do as town all the time after someone I'm unsure about flips so I think it's pretty towny from alexa which is good because i have a wolf post count record to maintain

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm Alexa/Ilario are probably t/t.

Alexa seems fairly inno and Ilario shields.

And I've said Ilario probably town from d1.

LC is still probably red, but I'll have to read their case/etc.

@EnderWiggin Have you read the case yet?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:33 pm everyone: huh weird kill
alexa: no how dare you it made perfect sense when we went over it in scum chat

This is actually pretty funny.

Alexa town though if that isn't clear.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:32 pm most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:28 pm TSP/Nanook both maybe wolf but I don't think Nanook plays EOD like that. He protects Mac much harder.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:25 pm like ostensibly "a kill puts suspicion on alexa/ilario" but the whole point of that is that you're acknowledging that most teams kill one of alexa/ilario

i think killing in me/ilario/syn would be objectively correct for most teams
i think ilario has had more heat on him this game than syn

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:04 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

yeah but it's syn, notorious (no offense to syn) sub in min post sub outer

Another thing that points to one of alexa/ilario being mafia js

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:18 pm like I understand the purpose of a syn kill and I'm not... surprised by it? but it's not correct smh

(this is also wiml's take)

syn has no spew and killing them drums up suspicion between me and ilario when that slot was never gonna be chopped
like i literally expected that kill for most wolf teams

whatever

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm i have read your posts today

and you don't see me re-valing?

i have ilario's iso open and i still don't see it. if we yeet a villager and both of us live again then okay, i'll go more in depth, but i'm re-valling every read i have outside of him atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:15 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm eh you don't kill ilario because nanook and tsp are liable to go full on mac sheep

And if I would kill neither in a case like that it would be an even worse situation and they were still sheeping Mac anyway.

It's also worth noting that alexa has a 100% rate at catching LC as a wolf over time and promised to reeval overnight.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:09 pm team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

In that case I would always kill illario.

He's being hard shielded by alexa and wanted me dead half of D2.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

i no longer think wiml is town with any degree of confidence. im sheeping mac and esooa who both have actually seen him wolf, yes, but i'm also alive for a reason and i'm not stupid