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Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:26 pm I can't die to literally anything including being lynched, I don't count for parity, I can't vote

I'm not 3p I'm town

this is why I can not believe my role

Aliens dude

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:13 am @Long Con Im serious about the second town core thing; hit me up if you’re interested

I mean, it sounds like a lot of fun, but I also have that 'pyramid scheme' kind of feeling about it as well. How does it work? We form a cool club, and call it The Townestcore, and... start yeeting our enemies?

we just solve the game before we get yeeted and then make fun of everyone else from spec chat

Sloonei I'm not going to do distrust right now because mindset stuff but actually I feel like I've been seeing more people as town than as wolf so maybe I should have done it the other way around

but like mindset stuff

doing trust and distrust in one is nice though

Trustfall:

1. Falcon - Doin his own thing and doing it well
2. Tedextr - Seems genuinely concerned that he's being misrepresented and unfairly maligned, and the michelle townread does somewhat move the needle for me
3. Nanook - Seems within town meta, has little reason
4. Odd - somethin somethin mech
5. Sloonei - Town.
6. Esooa - Good reaction to multiball stuff
7. Strawhenge - people say lock town, I follow. And d1 derp.
9. Staypositivefriend - Very towny and unaligned from marmot, making the thread better
10. KZA - Unaligned with Marmot perhaps, and claim stuff, and D1 reaction to pressure looked good
12. Dom - he abandoned his team if he had one, that's kinda angleshooty but I maybe agree that wolf dom would have gone for a concerted effort. wifom idk.
14. TSP - has green role card
15. Long Con - Decent progressions, I think within town LC meta more than scum LC meta.
16. Fingersplints - this is the hardest one for me. I don't really know them though, a lot of my trs have found them towny and I think some of their posts demonstrate a clear attempt to work through a thought process
17. Tutuu -- Hally - Mac has good reads and thought they were town
18. JPIC - Has been doing some decent thread stuff, maintained a decent post count and energy at least through day 1.
19. Michelle - Unafraid of anything. That town read on ted is almost always town.
20. Alison - mech stuff
21. BoKnows - Posting like crazy, seems unconcerned by thread position and is attempting to help.
22. Al Sama - michelle townreads them and knows them, I think the superkill thing is actually probably more towny than not

I apologize to Esooa, I have now blatantly lied twice

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:54 pm ted, mac iso’d falcon after that and rescinded/said falcon wasn’t a priority for him

update: nope I'm wrong

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks eh?

so did mac

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:32 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:14 am it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

Quality posting from a town mindset right here

well i did at least find it by myself which on the effort scale puts me above sloonei

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:52 am Maybe Bo?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:53 am Sloonei talk to me about Bo, who I think we're volume clearing but also occupies a weird thread position

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:57 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:19 pm TonyStarkPrime seems sus *Vote TSP*

tbh I don't like his first post

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:00 am do we just assume that's out of his range as a wolf? It'd be out of a lot of people's ranges. Jay likes to make charts when he's a wolf though so idk. Most people aren't jay.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pm

An Analysis of Marmot's Mentions

Earlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.

I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else

It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.

Complete Overview

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Individual Breakdown
*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null

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wolfy pie charts

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

None of this progression on Bo makes sense. TSP calls the pie charts wolfy, but the pie charts have interesting data on Ted implicating him as a possible scum teammate of Marmot's....TSP has his vote on Ted & has him as a high scum read, so what's wolfy about the charts to TSP?

This is a snared wolf trying to widen the POE. He's thrashing like mad, almost surely a guarantee scum lynch IMO

First off, I'm not trying to widen the POE. I give Bo a town read. Don't read my last post. Second, posting meaningless data into the thread is >>rand wolf. This data is meaningless. It's obviously meaningless. It does not 'implicate' Ted. It says next to nothing about Ted based off pure numbers.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:34 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:30 am i’m not meaning to be the tony defense squad. we should lunch him too. just trying to play devils advocate a bit

fair enough I'll be happy with a nook, Tony, ted, al Lynch today.

rufking salad get em

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:30 am i’m not meaning to be the tony defense squad. we should lunch him too. just trying to play devils advocate a bit

no what the heck you are my defense squad

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:18 am Morning!

TSP, this whole 'second town core' thing feels needlessly oppositional and unproductive. Maybe it's because I haven't had my tea yet, but I can't even figure out what the hell you're trying to do or why.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:15 am why are people still acting like odd and kza claiming trooper is in any way indicative of them being villagers? i thought we established at SoD that all of the troopers being villagers would be ridiculously unbalanced

My town-lean on both of them is highly conditional on my belief in Alison's claim and neither Odd or KZA have given me any reason to believe their claims are dubious. I'm far from locking them town.

i just wanted to get lc and jpic to talk this should not have been a big deal

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:14 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:13 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:11 am Hally I will not read that, i have a life

okay. well then it’s hard to care about your defense of ted unless you have mechanical information suggesting he’s a villager

I note this as role fishing and put you in my Poe

michelle you're not speaking my language anymore and we need to talk about this

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:29 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:26 amTed is counter wagon for TSP
Nanok's wagon doesn't grow

This is interesting

You're not doing a very good job convincing us to do otherwise.

I don't even try, to convince you, you have big scum equity fmpov

michelle you're speaking my language

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:52 am Maybe Bo?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:53 am Sloonei talk to me about Bo, who I think we're volume clearing but also occupies a weird thread position

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:57 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:19 pm TonyStarkPrime seems sus *Vote TSP*

tbh I don't like his first post

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:00 am do we just assume that's out of his range as a wolf? It'd be out of a lot of people's ranges. Jay likes to make charts when he's a wolf though so idk. Most people aren't jay.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:01 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pm

An Analysis of Marmot's Mentions

Earlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.

I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else

It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.

Complete Overview

► Show Spoiler

Individual Breakdown
*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null

► Show Spoiler

wolfy pie charts

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

None of this progression on Bo makes sense. TSP calls the pie charts wolfy, but the pie charts have interesting data on Ted implicating him as a possible scum teammate of Marmot's....TSP has his vote on Ted & has him as a high scum read, so what's wolfy about the charts to TSP?

This is a snared wolf trying to widen the POE. He's thrashing like mad, almost surely a guarantee scum lynch IMO

lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:02 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:13 am @Long Con Im serious about the second town core thing; hit me up if you’re interested

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:39 am The town core is the people who I think are going to work to solve the game and right now it's you and me.

Which players do you think we have the best reasons to regard as town?

in order:

tier 1: the mech

hally
--
odd
alison

tier 2: good vibes??

sloonei
straw
falcon
esooa

tier 3: ehhhh
spf
jpic
nanook
bk
lc
Michelle

tier 4:
finger
kza
al
ted

unr: dom (but I think more likely wolf for reasons)

Why do you want to town core someone in the ehhhhhhh list?

No one above is cooperating with me

Though JPIC disappearing so far is not a /great/ sign for my town read

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:59 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:57 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:54 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:53 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:31 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

Hey man nice hedges

I can say you’re not town if it makes you feel better

Well, I'd prefer if you just said what's on your mind and gave us your thoughts straight.

I did but you didn’t like that

I think he's town, but he's high on the PoE list is contradicting.

I think everyone above you is more town (given some assumptions).

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:54 am Reasonably you might think that it should bump him to the same ranking as Odd but like ~~

I wouldn't say it holds as much weight as Odd's, but it took him out of my PoE.

Yeah, this is reasonable. I don’t think KZA is a good chop for today at least. I’ll have to review his interactions with Marmot, I skipped over him earlier.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:54 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:53 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:31 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

Hey man nice hedges

I can say you’re not town if it makes you feel better

Well, I'd prefer if you just said what's on your mind and gave us your thoughts straight.

I did but you didn’t like that

Reasonably you might think that it should bump him to the same ranking as Odd but like ~~

Yes it does

BoKnows wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:31 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 am I think Bo is probably town for making graphs if we can get back to that conversation. He's pretty high on the list

Hey man nice hedges

I can say you’re not town if it makes you feel better

Yes I know

@Long Con Im serious about the second town core thing; hit me up if you’re interested

But yes, the initial post refers to you and Al Sama

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:10 am So al is playing the “catching up game” you think?

The game is sorta the question of whether or not y know what this terminology is bad I should make a new terminology

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:03 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:36 am finally, like ok I don't want to fake indignance because I do recognize I'm being a bit of a git here but like I really don't think I've tried to derail the thread and I don't even think I've been all that confusing and ok if people believe that to be true that's fine but I'd like for someone to ask me about something if it doesn't make sense instead of being like "see look tsp is lock mafia" every time I post.

you have 400 posts. I don't really have the time or energy to start a conversation about every random read you throw out

I’m not subtweeting you

AL_sama wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:36 pm ok finally caught up

no matter how I see it I can't see a townie ted playing like this so

vote lynch ted

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:37 pm

AL_sama wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:36 pm ok finally caught up

no matter how I see it I can't see a townie ted playing like this so

vote lynch ted

I would LOVE to hear more! How do you think ted is playing? What's got you suspicious?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:37 pm I'm wondering if catching up with/without live tweeting it is ever a town / scum tell

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 pm 1) Do we believe that AL_sama is indeed caught up?

2) Do we believe that AL_sama has been catching up?

3) Do we believe that tedxtr is a believable vote?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 pm 1) Do we believe that AL_sama is indeed caught up?

2) Do we believe that AL_sama has been catching up?

3) Do we believe that tedxtr is a believable vote?

Flashbacks to Finale Hally

are they from the same place? I don't really know about either of their mafia histories

it's just too funny to not be something right

AL_sama wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:06 pm its a novas game so there should be super kills

just found this gem anyone have a thought

the catching up game is something else catching up is important people should read the thread

was the thread derailed when i voted for marmot arbitrarily

if the two people who are playing the catching up game are on the same team than the third member of that team cannot be dom and THATS and obfuscative TSP read to end the thread on GOOD NIGHT

finally, like ok I don't want to fake indignance because I do recognize I'm being a bit of a git here but like I really don't think I've tried to derail the thread and I don't even think I've been all that confusing and ok if people believe that to be true that's fine but I'd like for someone to ask me about something if it doesn't make sense instead of being like "see look tsp is lock mafia" every time I post.

we just did the catching up game with someone else, who was it?

The problem is that I think Ted putting Michelle on his list of not w/w with marmot without mentioning it is perhaps teammate indicative but Michelle coming in and TTTing Ted is definitely not that

the reason I'm giving you an IOU instead of writing it out is I've been playing tetris

ok sloonei I'm giving you an IOU on why I think ted is on the other team cause I have to sleep too but the long and short of it is the impression I get from his iso is "caught for the wrong reasons" vs "just a really sloppy wolf who tred his partner until a failed distancing vote for no reason two minutes before". but that got it post is really bad so idk

it was more than two paragraphs so I kinda glossed over it and then I played tetris instead

hey I found it by myself

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:55 am If vig is someone detached like Dom for example what should we do about that?

@Dom don't shoot me

I'm sure it's in here somewhere

ted did you ever explain why you switched your vote at the end

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:47 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:44 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:42 am even though it's laughable, it's probably still a better read than me being with marmot on the same team

Got it.

you have to make it lowercase and without the dot, otherwise it looks like you're trying too hard to make the joke

What joke? That was me telling you that I disagree with your take.

k i laughed

no but if one wants to shoot me that's ok