The Syndicate

My assessment overall is that wolves would be inclined to think that the fact that I shared this info would make me >>rand likely to be on the other wolf team. This makes me inclined to do what I love to do and scum read people who scum read me

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:17 am If we're making host reads id probably bet on a smaller high power mafia team and 1 or 2 indies over multiball

But that's not a confident host read

I would say if Marmot had flipped Gerhardt I would have agreed with this assessment

I would say two names look bad here and the rest look good.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball
why are you on a relatively small mafia team?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:08 pm I have only seen the film and the first season of the show. So I have no flavor speculation.
Odd. Has anyone asked or mentioned flavour speculation?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:19 pm TonyStarkPrime seems sus *Vote TSP*

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:22 pm Setup spec on the game being multi ball is the same as flavour spec based off knowledge of the film & series? Since when?

Is this an idea you guys tossed about in Maf chat, but forgot to fully flesh out?

Cuz I don't see how TSP asks about multi ball, and Sloon replies re: flavour spec, and the 2 are lock step on the issue so quickly.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball
I bet mafia-aligned players are more likely to conceive of this by page two than civilians are. How about THAT?
Im town and i thought the same (as tony)

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:26 pm To someone without deep knowledge of the setup or the Fargo theme, there would seem to be two available theories about why someone else would immediately speculate about multiball:

1) That someone is on a mafia team and has some unique insight indicating that it's possible.

2) Fargo as a theme presents some unique structure that could be appropriate for multiball.

I don't fault Sloonei for his interpretation, and it seems evident Tony is familiar with the theme. So #2 is fine.
I can think of one more reason

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:22 pm TSP is either a TMI machine as mafia or he is town. Everyone else was skeptical about my claim but he said immediately and confidently he knew I was town; he also asked if it was multiball out of the blue, and heavily implied that he had reason to do so when pressed on why.

So either TSP is making some serious scum errors or he has a role that gives him setup information (which is townie). I think the latter is more likely than the former.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:39 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball
god please no

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:50 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:49 am esooa's reaction to the potentiality of the game being multiball precludes her from being on a team in a multiball world
No it does not

Why are we in a multiball world now

Not pictured: straw asking what multiball is. Probably towny.

jay making a list of all the 1000+ single posters was the worst mistake you've ever made

tell me about falcon

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:21 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:11 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:06 pm i am off work if anyone wants to chat about certain reads!

i will be mostly giving my brain a break from this game tonight, though. i did not realize that the thread would be open during the night and i like having that time to recharge & pull myself away from the game
could you give me just a quick sorting of names? i’m curious how much my vague impressions line up with your view of the game
sure - my very quick GTH sorting of the playerlist looks something like this:

town:
jaggedjimmyjay
alison
oddmerta
strawhenge
macdougall

lean town:
sloonei
falcon
esooa

lean-town-with-less-confidence-than-the-previous-tier:
bo knows
hally
JPIC

neutral:
nanook
fingersplints
dom
michelle

wolfy:
long con
kza
TSP
Ai Sama
tedextr

it's worth noting that:

-the revelation that we're in multiball is making me re-assess my reads in general. i have some minor concern about falcon. i want to re-evaluate sloonei/esooa to make sure that i didn't clear either of them too easily. even so, i feel relatively decent about the names in the top two tiers containing mostly villagers

i think it's likely that most of the wolves in this game are in the bottom two tiers of this list, and the rest are hidden in the upper 3

how did I go from no read no read no read to wolfy

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:46 pm someone who's better than this should reread the initial conversation on multiball and figure out who's spewed wolf
were you fishing with that?

kinda

someone who's better than this should reread the initial conversation on multiball and figure out who's spewed wolf

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.
Out of all the names marmot could choose he picked Long Con.

w/w possibility

More likely spewed the other way I think but wifom

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

ok can you see how I could have been confused here :P

Ok well I still think LC and JPIC are town and I still think Michelle is probably a wolf and I at least want someone to explain to me why it is that straw is lock town

I think I figured out what the problem is :P

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm and like "says al sama is wolfy" is not a particularly strong statement here :P
i don’t understand what you’re saying

if a confirmed villager and the only person itg who knows al says they’re wolfy we should kill them

i don’t get why that’s a controversial statement to you

wait we should kill al sama or we should kill odd

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm falcon is one of the people I'm not allowed to push
Why not?
people come out of the woodwork and tell me you're "obvious town"
Why do you care what the reads of others are? They might be wolves.

This is a mafia mindset tbh.
it gets a bit grating once everyone starts scumreading me for it to be honest.
I would rather you make your reads unashamedly personally.

sir please search your iso for my name and then tell me how you're doing with promoting this kind of behavior

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm falcon is one of the people I'm not allowed to push
Why not?
people come out of the woodwork and tell me you're "obvious town"
Why do you care what the reads of others are? They might be wolves.

This is a mafia mindset tbh.

it gets a bit grating once everyone starts scumreading me for it to be honest.

and like "says al sama is wolfy" is not a particularly strong statement here :P

like you shoot alison first at the very least

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying
weird
no it’s not
yes it is
no it’s not

your turn

yes it is

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm falcon is one of the people I'm not allowed to push
Why not?

people come out of the woodwork and tell me you're "obvious town"

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying
weird
no it’s not

yes it is

didn't your day power get rejected

falcon is one of the people I'm not allowed to push

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

weird

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm TSP's ordered poe:

1) long con
2) Bo
3) SPF
4) Michelle
5) KZA
6) Marmot
7) Al Sama
8) Ted

unr: dom

Most to least wolfy?
least to most
Agreeable.

Why is it that you think you're getting scumread by everyone? Can you explain it?

in the words of kris kristofferson, most of us hate anything that we don't understand

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm TSP's ordered poe:

1) long con
2) Bo
3) SPF
4) Michelle
5) KZA
6) Marmot
7) Al Sama
8) Ted

unr: dom

Most to least wolfy?

least to most

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm TSP's ordered poe:

1) long con
2) Bo
3) SPF
4) Michelle
5) KZA
6) Marmot
7) Al Sama
8) Ted

unr: dom

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm TSP are your top scum really Michelle and Strawhenge?
no I literally have an ordered poe
When I asked who you were pushing you said those 2. Why?

What's your POE?
you were asking in the context of why are people attacking me for "pushing obvious town"
So those two are obvious town?

apparently

I was thinking 16:3:3 tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm TSP are your top scum really Michelle and Strawhenge?
no I literally have an ordered poe
When I asked who you were pushing you said those 2. Why?

What's your POE?

you were asking in the context of why are people attacking me for "pushing obvious town"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm but also this means my alison has info on odd theory is wrong

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm I have mech knowledge that Trooper Milch is a real role and not a safe claim. I repeat, my role card confirms that Trooper Milch is a real role, aligned with the town. and not a safe claim. Oddmerta is lock town.

Do not claim flavor or abilities further. Mafia likely has a soupkill. I am probably dead tonight because I am too trusted and I have claimed PR. They might even be able to figure out my role and soupkill me from there. However I didn't want to go out without at least confirming Odd.

lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm TSP are your top scum really Michelle and Strawhenge?

no I literally have an ordered poe

but also this means my alison has info on odd theory is wrong

but also this means my alison has info on odd theory is wrong

odd is town for thinking that having a side character is bad

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.
literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town
Strawhenge is a much clearer soul read in this specific game than Alison. Context matters. I struggle to believe you here.
I haven't pushed alison though
That’s not relevant. You said you don’t understand why you can’t be paranoid about Strawhenge but you have to be paranoid about Alison.

Strawhenge is obvious. Alison is less obvious. No matter what she posts in this thread, she cannot match [first game in five years]. Context matters.
I've seen way too many people get by on [first game in five years]
Name 3 and the games they happened plz.

Cuz I think you pulled this out yer ass

me in fallout
russ in banjo kazooie
uh

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.
literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town
Strawhenge is a much clearer soul read in this specific game than Alison. Context matters. I struggle to believe you here.
I haven't pushed alison though
That’s not relevant. You said you don’t understand why you can’t be paranoid about Strawhenge but you have to be paranoid about Alison.

Strawhenge is obvious. Alison is less obvious. No matter what she posts in this thread, she cannot match [first game in five years]. Context matters.
My Socky award is an albatross around my neck. I know I always complain about this but I legitimately cannot earn trust no matter what I do or say until I produce three dead scum. In this case I am a claimed PR who has done more solving than anyone else in the thread.

Complaint over. Strawhenge is obvious town regardless and TSP is scum for pushing him.

1) literally everyone trusts you stop complaining
2) blah blah blah

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:47 pm if one more person says that the people I'm pushing are obvious town without any sort of explanation I will explode
Who you pushing?
I've poe'd michelle and I thought one post from straw was very scummy and actually I still do but whatever
PoE on Michelle? You've cleared that many people?

no I just think michelle is that scummy

i am pr and i have claimed as such

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.
literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town
Strawhenge is a much clearer soul read in this specific game than Alison. Context matters. I struggle to believe you here.
I haven't pushed alison though
That’s not relevant. You said you don’t understand why you can’t be paranoid about Strawhenge but you have to be paranoid about Alison.

Strawhenge is obvious. Alison is less obvious. No matter what she posts in this thread, she cannot match [first game in five years]. Context matters.

I've seen way too many people get by on [first game in five years]

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:37 pm alison's obviously town for thinking the cc is real which is unfortunate but it's very funny
Why ‘unfortunate’?

because I want to omgus her

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.
literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town
Strawhenge is a much clearer soul read in this specific game than Alison. Context matters. I struggle to believe you here.

I haven't pushed alison though

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:47 pm if one more person says that the people I'm pushing are obvious town without any sort of explanation I will explode
Who you pushing?

I've poe'd michelle and I thought one post from straw was very scummy and actually I still do but whatever

if one more person says that the people I'm pushing are obvious town without any sort of explanation I will explode

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm Now we worry about the Gerhardts. TSP is absolutely one of them. So we can solve that faction through him.

i'm absolutely not, bozo. but how are you liking the show

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.

literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:40 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:28 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:38 pm in radiohead oddmerta was aggressive and went against the grain but i could follow where he was coming from and it wasn’t difficult for me to see he was approaching the game genuinely

i cannot see that this game. he’s just spouting off stuff for seemingly no reason. just because he says it with confidence does not make it villagery. his reads look like weaksauce to me
trust me
why?
godread
not accepted

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:38 pm ed and peggy smh

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:40 pm Do I get towncred for saying out that ted seemed really obsessed with/hung up on Marmot when he flips wolf

you're already lock town

i think I'm legitimately very obviously not a marmot teammate and if alison says it again then I will be tunnelling alison for the rest of the game even though I just locktowned Alison

in my defense I actually thought it was true

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