The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:07 am I forget not every teacher took a personal day tomorrow.

I hope your day was not the pandemonium we had. Things are getting not good with this virus in NH.

Schools in Michigan are out til April. Teachers at the school I student taught at had absolutely no notice. It's gonna be pandemonium.

Speed
Turnip
Jay

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:30 pm Ah I see dissent in the ranks about the Nanook role.

Long Con

If there were people A B C D and A is Harriet and protects B and C and D is vanilla scum and kills B and then A and D vote for C and C votes for A who gets lynched?
A isn't allowed to vote because they're dead.

curses

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:07 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:30 pmIf there were people A B C D and A is Harriet and protects B and C and D is vanilla scum and kills B and then A and D vote for C and C votes for A who gets lynched?
Ok... the targeter gets three votes against them in the lynch. So A has one vote from C... B is dead... C has two votes, the natural way, and D has three votes and ends up lynched.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:19 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:28 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:01 am you shading michelle
I am in fact doing this
expand this pls

had mild suspicions with something you said, pressed you on it. Got an answer. Moved on.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:01 am you shading michelle

I am in fact doing this

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:56 am
Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:48 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:35 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at
You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:33 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at
Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:35 am Not really
Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?
I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

It's not what you say. I voted him in day 2 because I considered him wolf. It was a reminder for my vote.

What's the point of reminding him?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:53 am i don't like the first half of tsp's post.

which post

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:58 am Where even is Michelle? I feel like I wasn't there for the one thing she actually did, does she only exist in a bizarro world? Could she have been forced to case speedchuck? There's no evidence that this actually happened, I almost don't believe it did and we're still in a dream, but like in real life

This, as far as I can tell, it the first time Turnip mentions Speed.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at

This is the second time. On the list -- notably with Michelle, something that seems unlikely in his weird interpretation of another day 4. The only previous interaction was a quote about a mechanics thing and a voting log.
Unless I missed something I was searching on my phone.
Conveniently, me and Epi had just been talking about a suspicion of Speed a few posts ago. Nice name to add to a fake list?
Now, full note: me and Speed also I don't think have interacted this game and I've only expressed vague suspicion a few times. This could apply to me as well. So maybe it's not a great case -- the game is big, you don't interact with everyone and you don't post about everything you find off.

But I'd like some reasoning from our vegetable.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:35 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at
You know I am not your fan and put me there just to have a suspects list. You have no reason to Poe me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:33 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:28 am Ted
Michelle
Speed
Tony is my pet paranoia read
Colin could be bad but I don't think so
Juliets could be bad but she seems okay for now
Jimmy is acting unjimmyish and begging me to scumread him

I guess that's where I'm at
Do any of these suspects seem unviable for one team or the other?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:35 am Not really
Really? Can you explain how come for everyone?

I don't like the first half. It is an attempt to prevent another player from putting your name on a list. That's inherently scummy.
The second half seems fair, Turnip should stop throwing out names to see what sticks. I don't know if the question is entirely reasonable, but I think Sloonei is just looking for any kind of thought process.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:07 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:41 am So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.
I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

1) noting we missed the revive
2) it means likely that either the revivey person died and that was not revealed or, I think, that Dizzy was chosen. In either case, the anti-monitor poses no unique threat to the town by that means.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:46 am Tony could be bad, like why isn't he? He's just kinda here

no
no
yes

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:45 am Let's not forget about the sntimonitor he has a voting advantage.....,.......

he does not

So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:08 am But to pause the mafia game for a moment, I do hope that we all remain healthy and in high spirits over the next couple of weeks. Even if you’re not in the high-risk portion of the population, this is not a very pleasant moment in time. Y’all are the best.

My big magic tournament got cancelled this weekend. No scum reads for you!
Seriously though, prayers for the health of everyone in this mafia game, and everyone else.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:46 pm Tony, why speed?
Just a gentle Day 5 prod

On Day 5 Speed mostly just pushed for Nanook from what I remember, though he put Nanook in the same tier as JJJ and two other players. Nanook is now dead. I see no reason to townread Speed. So I figured I’d get a head start on a case that isn’t JJJ or TH.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:46 pm Tony, why speed?

Just a gentle Day 5 prod

Ah I see dissent in the ranks about the Nanook role.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

If there were people A B C D and A is Harriet and protects B and C and D is vanilla scum and kills B and then A and D vote for C and C votes for A who gets lynched?

I’m willing to bet that Nanook was not hit directly by a scum kill from the AM, so we might be able to just clear this out

So we can just kill the anti monitor now right
And use the private lynch for trying to get a Master member?
Ooh Agatha

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:41 pm Thank goodness Sig turned out to be mafia.

I was really worried

He did not do this

It would then be strongly to Sig’s advantage to say that one of me or Tranq has to be scum or indy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:16 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?
I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.
Tell me about tranq.

Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 pm I may not self-preserve. If I am so suspicious that I am out-pacing a confirmed mafioso in the poll, then y'all need to get past me.
Self preserving is towny. if you are villager please do so.

disagree. revive Jay if necessary

Actually the threat of possibly killing our reviver is another incentive to take out Sig tonight.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:09 pm By the way, the reason this was bad...if he’s mafia and we kill Sig anyways, we gain nothing. If he’s town we’ve removed the chance for him to be sorted via NK (we’ve removed this if he’s mafia too).

In other words, we gain nothing by running up jay on a day we should just be killing outed mafia

That just in the last sentence is the only thing I have a qualm with

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:23 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:13 pm @juliets what is the case against JJJ?
Some disagree with his interactive analyses and his reads, he did not vote for Mac but instead voted for two people on the other team, he has not been mega civ like he normally is, and there are probably some other reasons that I'm not remembering.
I disagree with the scuminess of the analyses, he made them in the game where I lost in f3 because I followed his read and ignored my "what if he's wrong" inner voice. He was wrong but he was villager.

I dislike his wagon today, isn't Sig outed wolf?
Consider that if Jay is a villager, TH and Colin’s wolf equity both skyrocket and he can at least view all of Jay’s analysis as honest.

And if Jay is a wolf, it will be hilarious that I lynched MAC and Jay over outted Sig.
If you have the slightest idea that JJJ may be villager go vote scum Sig !

We thought Mac might be town or scum. We voted Mac. It worked out.

Lynching Jay has to be the most reckless plan we’ve ever embarked upon. And yet...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:14 am The ironic thing is that people scumreading me think I'm the AM and my actions are more compatible with being on the Master team than the AM team tbh
So you're saying you're being suspected for the wrong reasons?
Wow... you're telling me nanook has good compatability to be sig's remaining teammate and you/sloonei/ted are Mac's?

: O
Dom, I do not understand the questions you ask sometimes. Like, I don’t know where this came from.

I was referencing Nanook’s prior conversation with speedchuck in the form of a silly rib.

Y’all don’t read shit. I don’t know why I play this game at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:57 am If this were 2017 I’d be so mean right now

I didn't know Mac was posting from Jay's account.

Secret hydra mafia

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:48 am Dragomir has been replaced by nutella!

I will reveal Prometheus' secret, for fairness.

Prometheus - You can target two players each night. Your main goal is to target each of these roles: Bill Rawls, Serena van der Woodsen, Seamus Fitzroy, Architect, and Lassie. You may choose any of the found roles to die in your place. *secrets* You will bug these roles when you find them, and spy on their ability use and results. Your Win Condition is to correctly name the role of every player at the end of the game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:30 pm We’ve had at least 5 huge wolf wagons at eod.
Do you have the D4 vote count?

How is Drago dead and how flipped?

Got replaced?
Got replaced.

Though I don’t believe there are any players who are effectively double cleared, so it’s reasonable to take the bottom few reads and assign them out based on a limited idea of compatibility.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:07 am Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.
Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.
Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.
speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.
Gth, who are the remaining players on each mafia.

Keep in mind that Drago is dead...

he’s still on the players list. It threw off my numbers one time.

ahh interesting tell get em

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:20 pm Something comes to mind. In a world where people want to save Mac, the Day 2 lynch is the more interesting one. Mac led by at least three votes late before he was overtaken by a quick Radish push. I’ll look at it later.
That came to mind?

Nobody wanted to save Mac. Mac was doomed.

Interestingly, this has been JJJ's point.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:56 am
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:05 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:51 pm @G-Man

What's your headspace?
Outside of Day 4, I am still trying to tread water. I’ve been trying to catch up, but today of all days has made that difficult. I feel like the colorized vote post that I made and my reflections on our Day 4 mini-thread were overlooked at best because my name isn’t Jay, Sloonei, Jack, Ted, or Nanook.
I've used your colorized vote post several times as a reference since we've been back.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:43 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes
What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?
Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.
The confirmed scum player has no reason to lie?

I’m interested in the high compatibility bit. Hopefully I’ll look into it myself one of these days.
I think it is highly likely that that scum team is aware or reasonably confident of the identity of the antimonitor. The rest of the team will be scared off because of what happened to Sig but Mac has no reason to be scared like such.
Tony, how would they know who the AM is? Or maybe I should ask what is the evidence for this?

I'll finish going through my thoughts about people this morning.

How? They shoot him and he doesn't die (write-up). But I don't have any serious suspicion of Nanook.

anecdotally, over half of all scum wins I’ve ever seen are “people who were almost on the chopping block and didn’t do much all game get barely not lynched” and much less than half are “scum masterminds run over town”. Almost all town wins are the former.
I’m still working through Jack and Jay’s alternatives today. But I see no reason outside of paranoia to accept Jack’s view that there must be mafia between JJJ, Sloonei, and Juliets and that scum must be on Sig etc even if I town read him and not Jay.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 am The argument is paranoid. There is a either widely townread or “writing a masters thesis” heavy hitter on the scum team. There has to be. Why? It feels like there has to be.

I agree that it feels like there has to be.
I think it’s Sloonei, not Jay, but that’s not the point.
I don’t think it’s rational by any means.
No, there has to be Mac teammates on the Sig train. With an s at the end. As in not just Colin.
Wait what.

I agree. I think it’s likely that it’s two or three.
I don’t think there’s any reason why particularly besides that I definitely would’ve taken the easy vote.

Though I’ve been pretty MIA so I’m not sure I quite get the thread feel

There are twoish groups of people who largely share reads and who don’t trust each other. They comprise maybe half the players.

The other half are MIA today, feels like.

The argument is paranoid. There is a either widely townread or “writing a masters thesis” heavy hitter on the scum team. There has to be. Why? It feels like there has to be.

I agree that it feels like there has to be.
I think it’s Sloonei, not Jay, but that’s not the point.
I don’t think it’s rational by any means.

I have no guarantee that’s just what I’m picking up.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:03 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes
What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?
Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.
This is gonna sound stupid but...what if Mac doesn't know who the Antimonitor is?

I think he does.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:43 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes
What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?
Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.
The confirmed scum player has no reason to lie?

I’m interested in the high compatibility bit. Hopefully I’ll look into it myself one of these days.

I think it is highly likely that that scum team is aware or reasonably confident of the identity of the antimonitor. The rest of the team will be scared off because of what happened to Sig but Mac has no reason to be scared like such.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:41 pm Well, I assume sig is dying, which is fine, but I don't think that's the smartest play. I'm not around much to cause a bit of noise, but oh well
Wait really.

Epi might be in bed but does any person here (other than Sig) know why it might not be the smartest play to lynch sig?

Allows for people to slink this day out, leaving Sig opens up some amount of control over scum actions, he’s fun to have around and is a known entity, we need to have some push on other leads, his role is probably a net plus for town even if it’s insanely annoying outside of the fact that he can use it to protect the AM tonight which gives one last shot at Harbinger.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.
Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes
What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

You call the case against Jay paranoia bullshit. I largely agree. But we’re paranoid. The rational side of me says we need to lynch someone on Mac’s team and I look at the sea of options and see nulls at best. So who do we lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:32 pm Everything sig does today can only be viewed through the lens of wifom, if viewed at all. Does anyone care to analyze dat nanook vote?

memes

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

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