The Syndicate

if you ask me why I said three hours then I will tell you I have no idea

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:08 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:07 pm i mean, we killed New Reno

that's a plus
please tell me you inspected alison last night

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:09 pm Why would I check Alison?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:11 pm Like Alison is either New Reno or an evil faction lying about it, so either way I need to kill them, seems interesting

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:13 pm this game is actually unplayable oh my god

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:14 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:09 pm Why would I check Alison?
chances are very very very high that that's literally the only use for your ability at this point.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Hmm that's kind of fair.

Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.

Like for the other factions it's better for me to use it on her

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 pm don't you have three

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Hmm that's kind of fair.

Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.

Like for the other factions it's better for me to use it on her
if alison is the slaver then she isn't your enemy

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:21 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.
How's that so?

Slaver isn't the enemy of NCR I believe.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:22 pm @DaughterOfOmega i'm not going to spell out your role for you but if you could spend the next 48h re-reading your role and thinking about its potential applications that would be great thanks.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:49 pm Did I miss something and doom claim cop

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:53 pm I thought slaver had to die for town to win

nvm then

can check ali tomorrow

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:49 pm Did I miss something and doom claim cop
she can check whether people are new reno.
would have been great if rej had claimed when she did so that her role could actually be useful and confirm him
alas people would rather just die and lose

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:57 pm I think instead of posting, for three hours today we should all just take a second to read through the setup, figure out our win conditions, figure out our powers, and then come back.

this might be worse than 'signaling'

and if I'm a wolf I'd literally have no reason to believe that nanook had mech info but I feel like I already said that

like I'm not entirely convinced that you have actually read the beginning of day 3 because I feel like the context of that post is abundantly clear and it also clearly has nothing to do with me trying to slow the thread down because I think nanook might have mech info

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:28 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
No? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?
nearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claim
It sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?
because I would like other people to be cognizant of the situation presumably
Cognizant of the information that Nook presumably has?

no cognizant of how many shots of their abilities there are and whether or not their alignment needs alison dead and maybe who they are

like also the thing I did on day 3 to try to slow the game down was play hangman and make it abundantly clear that made claiming was the number one priority which was pro town

how would i know he should have mech info

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:18 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
No? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?
nearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claim
It sounds like you were very cognizant of the situation. Why did you want people to take a 3 hour pause given the information in thread?

because I would like other people to be cognizant of the situation presumably

wait are you seriously going with the theory that he made it up

at some point you're going to have to figure out how nanook had info on made /without/ me giving him an invention but that's for another time

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:16 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:14 am like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting
No? You mean as wolf if someone comes into the thread asking about your wolf-buddy, your wolf ears don't perk up?

nearly every other post on that page is me and urist talking about doom's claim

like if I'm a wolf there then I have no idea that nanook has info and thus have no reason to slow down the thread for the reason you're suggesting

besides for like: nanook literally had asked about the discussion at hand. there are about a bajillion possible things he could have done with an invention. I have no reason to believe that's info from that.

Besides for also: you are assuming that I know that Nanook has info and that I was trying to slow down the thread because I knew that nanook has info. However, this presupposes that I gave him an invention! if I didn't, I couldn't know that he had info :P

I mean. I just read it back. I'm pretty sure I was targeting Doom before Nanook was there

this is all neglecting that if I were a wolf I don't know why I would be calling for the town to start getting more on top of things

Yes, given that I answered his question

1. c4 c6
2. Nf3 d5
3. e3 Nf6
4. Nc3

i ithink you're both completely neglecting the thread state at that point and taking far too seriously what I was asking for

that's definitely not a possible move

I think you're talking about the post where I said that everyone should take a minute to look over their roles, which again. Was before Nanook had claimed anything mechanical. You're also going to come across a post where I say that the only order of business for the day should be made claiming in response to nook's mech claim, however, I suspect that you'll ignore that one.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:18 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:14 am there were two wolf slips in the thread by that point sir i don't think it takes a genius
Apparently you are a genius since you knew all these people were indeed wolfs, and these things were indeed wolf slips days before flips confirmed all this.
perhaps i knew that nanook probably had mech info on made because i had provided him with the proper accoutrements and perhaps I knew chop was a wolf because he was the most wolfy human being who has ever stepped foot into a mafia thread
Perhaps, but I think for at least the first few hours of the day that Nook claims mech, we should probably NOT focus on that, and instead revisit roles, and alignments, make sure that town is targeting town, and all those other good things.

Or should we not spend a few hours looking that over... when the person that you should know has mech info... outs mech info?

I do not understand what you are saying

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:23 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:16 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:14 am @TonyStarkPrime, how worried are you right now about the outcome of the game?
i was reading day 3 back just now and I got slightly worried that urist has been pocketing me for half the game but I'm not all that worried
If TSP was town right now, he would have mentioned that he was worried that I (someone he should see as outed scum) might outplay him and get Urist to vote him. TSP is viewing the game with TMI on me (any town player's first concern in this situation would be their biggest scumread (me) convincing the other person they are correct, not that their scumread might be wrong (this could be a secondary concern, but not their first concern)).

I am currently not concerned by this at all but I didn’t know how to say this without being insulting

found it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:18 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:14 am there were two wolf slips in the thread by that point sir i don't think it takes a genius
Apparently you are a genius since you knew all these people were indeed wolfs, and these things were indeed wolf slips days before flips confirmed all this.
perhaps i knew that nanook probably had mech info on made because i had provided him with the proper accoutrements and perhaps I knew chop was a wolf because he was the most wolfy human being who has ever stepped foot into a mafia thread

i mean also he claimed mech info on made

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:14 am there were two wolf slips in the thread by that point sir i don't think it takes a genius
Apparently you are a genius since you knew all these people were indeed wolfs, and these things were indeed wolf slips days before flips confirmed all this.

perhaps i knew that nanook probably had mech info on made because i had provided him with the proper accoutrements and perhaps I knew chop was a wolf because he was the most wolfy human being who has ever stepped foot into a mafia thread

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:14 am @TonyStarkPrime, how worried are you right now about the outcome of the game?

i was reading day 3 back just now and I got slightly worried that urist has been pocketing me for half the game but I'm not all that worried

there were two wolf slips in the thread by that point sir i don't think it takes a genius

where’s my is this tmi meme

Though I do also appreciate the setup for “Nanook was faking the info claim all along”

This isn’t shade I’m just expressing appreciation

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:13 pm this game is actually unplayable oh my god

Nook had at that point made one post about Doom/Made and it wasn’t pressury at all but here’s how Urist started out that page

here ya go

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... start=3100

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:24 pm Town:

doppelgangsters
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewforum.php?f=276

I'm fuskdall here, this was a good game.

GOC 2020:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... =42&t=2044

think I got modkilled here. whoops.

Wolf:

Nanook is a bastard:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 276&t=2012

MTG:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 276&t=2063

I subbed in day 3 here, so YMMV. the previous wolf game was the aforementioned mysterious universe.
Were you scum in Mysterious Universe? Also, if possible, could you link that one too?

oh yeah you did ask for it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:07 pm Last to claim... damn convenient. @Urist , my slot was FIRST to claim. TSP was LAST to claim. Please use this information accordingly.
no, first to claim was chop, second to claim was made.

i didn't even mean this in a snarky way but it is funny

did you also want mysterious universe

I did?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:11 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:07 pm Last to claim... damn convenient. @Urist , my slot was FIRST to claim. TSP was LAST to claim. Please use this information accordingly.
no, first to claim was chop, second to claim was made.
Whatever, My slot was an early claim, yours was last. You had time to prepare. You got to see Marmot's info before you claimed.
You held out BECAUSE you knew Marmot's claim was true. You said you would claim after Marmot did, and he did, but a few days went by. You only claimed after hearing his info. Marmot was more clear than you simply by balancing. You should have claimed first, and let Marmot check you, but you didn't. Why? Oh I wonder...

I literally explained this in the thread and it's because I thought marmot was a wolf

I'm 90 percent sure I always kill lock town urist but ok

and I essentially claimed before I saw marmot's info too

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:11 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:07 pm Last to claim... damn convenient. @Urist , my slot was FIRST to claim. TSP was LAST to claim. Please use this information accordingly.
no, first to claim was chop, second to claim was made.
Whatever, My slot was an early claim, yours was last. You had time to prepare. You got to see Marmot's info before you claimed.

yes and then i claimed something that (i thought) was counter to marmot's info. that doesn't seem like something a wolf would do

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:07 pm Last to claim... damn convenient. @Urist , my slot was FIRST to claim. TSP was LAST to claim. Please use this information accordingly.

no, first to claim was chop, second to claim was made.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:51 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:31 pm

Grogu had an inventor handing him inventions, didn't he?

Most of the wolf fakeclaims MAKE SENSE for them, like the BoS messenger and the wolf messenger.

Tony's claim is that the last wolf must be a tracker, but if that was the case, the tracker's fakeclaim would have to be Marmot.

Wolves have an inventor though, and you know what role is perfect cover for an inventor? An inventor.

Everything is in the setup, all the information is there. There are clear fakeclaim pairs for pretty much everyone in Enclave, VC, and slaver, JUST LIKE JJJ designed it!

The wolves talked about inventors multiple times. They knew one existed. Grogu used inventions almost assuredly. Neither Nook nor Sloonei made indications that they used inventions. Why wouldn't they hint if it meant possibly clearing someone?
bad news, jack flipped inventor. and he didn't claim my role. because I had it.
So he did. Sorry, my last few days IRL was very hectic, and when I realized this game was ongoing yesterday(gameday), I just voted sleep, and didn't follow much (I mean, I read the posts, but I didn't really think at all about the game, or apparently even look at what Jack flipped...).

Honestly think this looks even worse for you though, since Jack's fakeclaim SHOULD have been your role. You switched fakeclaims. Not all of them line up, but the fact that Chop fakeclaimed the role he did, the fact that Alison fakeclaimed the role she did, and things like the Redding doc being clear cover for the other slaver role really point to roles being matched up.
the wolf team already fakeclaimed an inventor
Can you elaborate? I'm guessing you're right since you wouldn't claim this right now if not, but I am a rep in, so please fill me in.
They claimed... Zeke? Was it?
I'm guessing "they" is Made/DoO?

yeah made claimed zeke

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:02 pm TSP, weird question...

Earlier when you posted Marmot's NK data, in your analysis you labeled the possibility that scum shooting Alison as unlikely, but you didn't label the possibility of scum intentially blocking their own shot as unlikely... chasing a bit of a tinfoil here, but is that like... something that people do? I am relatively new to mafia (probably about 15 games or so), so idk if that is like a known strategy or not.

I think I labeled that possibility as conspiratorial. It defies probability in a sense, but yes I would also characterize that as unlikely.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:51 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:46 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:29 pm Grogu vaguely claimed information on day 2 that implied that falcon had targeted alison. barring this being a shot in the dark and a wolf claiming information based on nothing for no reason, my guess is that somehow grogu either knew that falcon targeted alison or at least knew falcon or alison's role or something that would lead to him making this conclusion.
Grogu had an inventor handing him inventions, didn't he?

Most of the wolf fakeclaims MAKE SENSE for them, like the BoS messenger and the wolf messenger.

Tony's claim is that the last wolf must be a tracker, but if that was the case, the tracker's fakeclaim would have to be Marmot.

Wolves have an inventor though, and you know what role is perfect cover for an inventor? An inventor.

Everything is in the setup, all the information is there. There are clear fakeclaim pairs for pretty much everyone in Enclave, VC, and slaver, JUST LIKE JJJ designed it!

The wolves talked about inventors multiple times. They knew one existed. Grogu used inventions almost assuredly. Neither Nook nor Sloonei made indications that they used inventions. Why wouldn't they hint if it meant possibly clearing someone?
bad news, jack flipped inventor. and he didn't claim my role. because I had it.
So he did. Sorry, my last few days IRL was very hectic, and when I realized this game was ongoing yesterday(gameday), I just voted sleep, and didn't follow much (I mean, I read the posts, but I didn't really think at all about the game, or apparently even look at what Jack flipped...).

Honestly think this looks even worse for you though, since Jack's fakeclaim SHOULD have been your role. You switched fakeclaims. Not all of them line up, but the fact that Chop fakeclaimed the role he did, the fact that Alison fakeclaimed the role she did, and things like the Redding doc being clear cover for the other slaver role really point to roles being matched up.
the wolf team already fakeclaimed an inventor
Can you elaborate? I'm guessing you're right since you wouldn't claim this right now if not, but I am a rep in, so please fill me in.

They claimed... Zeke? Was it?

idk, you're right, we were all pretty unified on where we stood by the end. But I would think that urist would be more of a loose cannon than marmot

i was probably leaning towards voting for marmot for most of the first half of the day, urist basically didn't show and would be essentially a wild card. marmot had a pretty defined tilt.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:31 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:29 pm Grogu vaguely claimed information on day 2 that implied that falcon had targeted alison. barring this being a shot in the dark and a wolf claiming information based on nothing for no reason, my guess is that somehow grogu either knew that falcon targeted alison or at least knew falcon or alison's role or something that would lead to him making this conclusion.
Grogu had an inventor handing him inventions, didn't he?

Most of the wolf fakeclaims MAKE SENSE for them, like the BoS messenger and the wolf messenger.

Tony's claim is that the last wolf must be a tracker, but if that was the case, the tracker's fakeclaim would have to be Marmot.

Wolves have an inventor though, and you know what role is perfect cover for an inventor? An inventor.

Everything is in the setup, all the information is there. There are clear fakeclaim pairs for pretty much everyone in Enclave, VC, and slaver, JUST LIKE JJJ designed it!

The wolves talked about inventors multiple times. They knew one existed. Grogu used inventions almost assuredly. Neither Nook nor Sloonei made indications that they used inventions. Why wouldn't they hint if it meant possibly clearing someone?
bad news, jack flipped inventor. and he didn't claim my role. because I had it.
So he did. Sorry, my last few days IRL was very hectic, and when I realized this game was ongoing yesterday(gameday), I just voted sleep, and didn't follow much (I mean, I read the posts, but I didn't really think at all about the game, or apparently even look at what Jack flipped...).

Honestly think this looks even worse for you though, since Jack's fakeclaim SHOULD have been your role. You switched fakeclaims. Not all of them line up, but the fact that Chop fakeclaimed the role he did, the fact that Alison fakeclaimed the role she did, and things like the Redding doc being clear cover for the other slaver role really point to roles being matched up.

the wolf team already fakeclaimed an inventor

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:44 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:37 pm also, from your side, this is the logic I thought through that would implicate marmot. and that didn't work out
You talking about Marmot feels dirty since it seems pretty clear you killed him since Urist was more set on me than Marmot (who was suspicious of me, but made it clear he was going to re-evaluate everything today and hadn't done his due diligence on you yet).

i uh don't think this is a reasonable assessment of where marmot was in the thread by the end of yesterday

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